Discussion thread IV - COVID-19 (new coronavirus)

[bertrand789]

compl?ment important, connu de ceux qui connaissent l'histoire des usages de ces v?g?taux, en bien des lieux, ceci :

Utilisez la rhubarbe crue (15-20 g plus 150 ml d'eau bouillie)

est, au niveau scientifique une honte. La question devient : quid de la d?nomination scientifique?

"Certaines esp?ces de rhubarbe ont une longue tradition d'utilisation comme plante m?dicinale. La rhubarbe chinoise ou rhubarbe m?dicinale ( Rheum officinale ) est utilis?e comme m?dicament en Chine depuis environ 4000 ans ."

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhabarber_(Gattung)

Elle est signal?e par Marco Polo dans le Devisement du monde⁶ (il est souvent mentionn? ? tort qu'il fut le premier occidental ? la voir, alors qu'il fut pr?c?d? par le franciscain Guillaume de Rubrouck, et le premier ? l'importer en Europe⁷, cet explorateur franciscain de langue flamande racontant aussi avoir vu un moine l'utiliser avec de l'eau b?nite⁶) et Odoric de Pordenone, elle fut d'abord cantonn?e parmi les plantes m?dicinales (constituant du catholicum simple de la pharmacop?e maritime occidentale au xviii^e si?cle⁸) et ornementales, elle ne fut cultiv?e et consomm?e comme plante potag?re qu'? partir du xviii^e si?cle⁹.

https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhubarbe

Je sais bien que, pour les m?decins, au moins beaucoup trop, la terre c'est sale, mais ce serait bien, que dans des publications au niveau de L'O.M.S , il y ait un comit? de lecture qui imposent, le respect minimal de tous les maillons de la chaine qualit?, en commen?ant par le respect des d?nominations ...

En tout cas, vu la comp?tence av?r?e de v?t?rinaires chinois, elles et ils, ne pourraient pas faire ce qui se doit ?

[sharon sanders]

groan...CDC forecast models... https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...asting-us.html

[Treyfish]

DHS report: China hid virus’ severity to hoard supplies


By WILL WEISSERT
27 minutes ago

WASHINGTON (AP) — U.S. officials believe China covered up the extent of the coronavirus outbreak — and how contagious the disease is — to stock up on medical supplies needed to respond to it, intelligence documents show.

Chinese leaders “intentionally concealed the severity” of the pandemic from the world in early January, according to a four-page Department of Homeland Security intelligence report dated May 1 and obtained by The Associated Press. The revelation comes as the Trump administration has intensified its criticism of China, with Secretary of State Mike Pompeo saying Sunday that that country was responsible for the spread of disease and must be held accountable.
Not classified but marked “for official use only,” the analysis states that, while downplaying the severity of the coronavirus, China increased imports and decreased exports of medical supplies. It attempted to cover up doing so by “denying there were export restrictions and obfuscating and delaying provision of its trade data,” the analysis states.

The report also says China held off informing the World Health Organization that the coronavirus “was a contagion” for much of January so it could order medical supplies from abroad — and that its imports of face masks and surgical gowns and gloves increased sharply.
Those conclusions are based on the 95% probability that China’s changes in imports and export behavior were not within normal range, according to the report.....https://apnews.com/bf685dcf52125be54e030834ab7062a8

[Emily]

The Seattle area doctor I mentioned in post #286 who calls this the” CCP virus” was on the radio again this weekend. He said that clinics here are using the hydroxychloroquine/azithromycin/zinc treatment in early stage COVID patients. Based on the VA study they don’t feel it will work in critical patients. He also said health care providers here are using the hydroxychloroquine as a prophylactic now. Of course he did NOT recommend anyone self-treat.
I forgot to mention that last week he said that the Wuhan Seafood Market was just that – seafood, fish, etc. The only exotics were animals like alligators. There were no bats or mammalian “intermediates” sold there. That’s one of the reasons he suspects a research accident led to the current pandemic.

[gsgs]

maybe animals (raccoon dogs? civets?) attracted by the smell visiting at night

[bertrand789]

De m?moire, il a ?t? dit que les ?gouts du march? de Wuhan n'avaient pas ?t? nettoy?s depuis des si?cles .


Je me demande quelle peut ?tre la faune de ce type de lieux , entre la faune normale , et la faune qui s'est ?chapp?e des lieux de r?tention ?

[Treyfish]

China’s ‘wet markets’ start selling bats, dogs again: Report

Bats are believed to be the primary source of the novel coronavirus

NEW DELHI , April 1, 2020 10:36 pm

Despite concerns that “wet markets” selling live animals like cats, dogs and bats helped spread the novel coronavirus, these markets have started reopening in several regions in China.

While bats are believed to be the primary source of the novel coronavirus, researchers believe that an intermediate host might have carried it to humans.
Markets in south-west China’s Guilin and southern China’s Dongguan are back in business where meats of domesticated animals like cats and dogs are sold, the Washington Examiner reported.

Following report that the wet markets might have contributed to the spread of the coronavirus, the Chinese government earlier banned the sale of wild animals.
...https://nenow.in/neighbour/china/chi...in-report.html

[Emily]

I don't like that, but note both locations are in southern China. Wuhan is northern China. Eating habits are different there. Some researchers believe in intermediates like a religion, on faith where no evidence exits.

[bertrand789]

On fait comment quand l'on n'est ni chinois ni am?ricain: les uns sont addict aux armes , les autres sont addict aux march?s humides?

Pourtant, ils ont les uns et les autres des cot?s charmant , mais ensemble , cela fait cours de r?cr?ation, non ?

[Emily]

And we are all addicted to "wet labs."

https://umanitoba.ca/research/orec/animal_care/animalcare_wetlab_schedules.html

[sharon sanders]

This is so ridiculous. Masks should not be any kind of political statement. I don't even know which side takes the position of what mask wearing???

I wear a mask if there is any chance I will come in contact with people. I don't understand what the problem is....people...please...please don't get wrapped up in the media crapola.

We need to come together. The politicians and media who are constantly fueling the differences in this country should be fired. We can only get rid of this virus by all working together.



Masks Become a Flash Point in the Virus Culture Wars


As people resume going out in public in the middle of a pandemic, to wear or not to wear a face mask has become a personal statement and sometimes a political one.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/03/u...-protests.html

[sharon sanders]

What appears to be a US government document obtained by the New York Times:

https://int.nyt.com/data/documenthel...ull.pdf#page=1


I have no idea if it is true but it appears legimate. Reader beware.

It shows US deaths projected to be at 3000+ daily by June 1.

[Emily]

N.M. couple test positive five times for COVID-19 but show no symptoms They remain quarantined for 50 days and counting


https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/...ng-for-49-days
A special case of COVID-19 with long duration of viral shedding for 49 days

Case 1 may tend to be a chronic infected case without infusion treatment, the virus and the host may even form a symbiotic relationship. We wondered how many patients involved in this situation. One important question is whether and how long this kind of patients keeps infective. The other important question is whether the “chronic infected patients” will infect through new route of transmission, such as sexual transmission. Moreover, due to the high mutation rate of retrovirus, we should keep close eyes on the status of this kind of patients and the infective ability.

Retrovirus! That was no typo, that was a Freudian slip right out of someone's anxiety closet haunted by those HIV sequences.

AUTHOR AFFILIATIONS
From the Department of Disease Control and Prevention (L.T., T.Y., Q.W.), Department of Infectious Disease (B.Z.) and Department of Transfusion (S.Z.) in General Hospital of Central Theater Command, Department of Biochemistry and Molecular Biology in Third Military Medical University (Army Medical University) (X.K., F.Y., H.M.) and Department of Laboratory in No. 967 Hospital of PLA (B.L.).

[sharon sanders]

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About all studies on COVID-19 treatments: Approach all treatments w/ caution. We are still early in this disease. A lot of things are being investigated.

Do not take medical advice from internet.

Read all you can. Use at least 2 sources.

Use your common sense.

#coronavirus

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Back for today. Hoping will do better on typos.

I am recognizing a lot of your names when you RT or make a comments.

Thank you so much for following!

On masks. I know everyone has rights. No gov should tell people what to wear. But in this case...think about choosing to do it.


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Ok....you already know to be careful when you handle raw meat.

Also - ALWAYS THOROUGHLY COOK YOUR MEAT - beef, chicken, pork, etc.

ALWAYS. (but you already know this).

CDC food safety page:

https://www.cdc.gov/foodsafety/keep-food-safe.html

[gsgs]

I wonder whether these "chronic" positives could be how it started. Some asymptomatic chronic researcher

[gsgs]

retrovirus copies itself into human DNA . Our DNA consists of ~8% of useless old HERV

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endogenous_retrovirus#Human_endogenous_retroviruses

[sharon sanders]

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New York state: 66% of new COVID-19 admissions are people who stayed home.

Be careful shopping, with co-habitants, plumbing in buildings, elevators, door handles, etc. https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/-2019-ncov-new-coronavirus/united-states-2019-ncov/new-york-covid-19/857908-new-york-state-66-of-new-covid-19-admissions-are-people-who-stayed-home-be-careful-shopping-with-co-habitants-plumbing-in-buildings…

Remember when we said only you can protect you?

Yes - that. #coronavirus

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Ok...everyone...remember at the beginning of this when we said only you can protect you? That govs can only be so effective...

This is true more than ever.

You need to be careful in your daily life. The govs are opening up.

It is all up to you now.

We are with you.