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Discussion thread VI - COVID-19 (new coronavirus)

kiwibird

kiwibird

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Interesting that the Astra Zeneca trial was paused due to transverse myelitis. There have been several recorded cases of this occurring with Covid-19 - https://casereports.bmj.com/content/13/8/e236720

This can sometimes be attributed to B12 deficiency. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/11965427/ and I note this very interesting article - https://www.nutraingredients-asia.c...ementation-reduces-severity-in-older-patients

Obviously more studies needed... but as the study stated ( https://www.nutraingredients-asia.c...ight&utm_medium=OnSite&utm_campaign=copyright) there were no adverse side effects to the supplementation....
 
The trial has restarted. The NY Times said it was transverse myelitis but there has been no official conformation due to patient confidentiality regulations. It is rare (1 in 1,000,000) but has been found in both COVID patients and after vaccination. These things are going to happen in large scale trials, to get one so soon could just be luck but if another case pops up then it may get stopped for a lot longer or closed.
 
is it specific to the AstraSeneca vaccine or may it occur with the other vaccines as well ?
 
This was the second neurological event. First one was MS and they said it wasn't related to the vaccine, though I think pre-existing neurological disease was an exclusion for trial participants, so the disease only manifested after the vaccine.
A monkey adenovirus is the vector for the vaccine.
https://multiple-sclerosis-research...irus-vaccine-linked-to-ms-like-complications/
"The yellow fever vaccine is probably the most common cause of vaccine associated TM. However, it was a common adverse event with the original rabies vaccine that was cultured and isolated from monkey neuronal cells. Fortunately, this is not how the rabies vaccine is made anymore and the incidence of TM is now much less common after rabies vaccination."
 
Hi! I grabbed a couple of posts to start this new discussion thread as we go into cold and flu season. The last thread had over 400 posts.

I have almost finished re-formatting the forum. All of the statistic threads were overwhelming the site. They were great at the beginning to track the progression of COVID-19 but now those numbers are less and less reliable - still good to consider, but not the last word. My biggest concern is that since the economic havoc caused by this pandemic and the related lock downs are monumental, governments will be incentivized to down play the numbers moving forward. Some numbers that are not realistic are provided by China and North Korea, for example.

I think some countries make a good faith effort at counting but, realistically, many countries do not have the public health capacity to be accurate. Emily made a mention about Africa's generally low numbers above. Well..I just don't believe their numbers. South Africa sits at 648,214 cases including 15,427 deaths as of September 12 link. How can the rest of Africa have such relatively low numbers? Is it because of widespread anti-malaria drug use? Or no testing of asymptomatic people? Or lack of capacity to test?

I would like us to concentrate on the news moving forward. I am concerned about the hot spots like the US, India, Brazil, for example, so I am finding pertinent news and adding the government (or reliable media) numbers for reference. Please feel free to start new threads as these google better. I am making stickys for links to various reliable sources so you can easily add stats to any post if you want.

I am also looking for re-emergence or undisclosed hot spots. We need to look for what does not fit.

Also later today, I am going to move our science library ahead of the geographical tracking forums. I know everyone mostly wants the tracking but - please - PLEASE - read the science. Some of the papers conflict. Read both views. A lot can be learned by reading conflicting reports. Always question.

Thanks everyone!

We are with you. :)
 
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Unknown. If it is vaccine related it could be a reaction to the chimp adenovirus or to its spike protein payload. If the later then it could be common to many of the other vaccine candidates. This adenovirus was selected because it is unlikely to have been encountered by humans. Ad5 is being used in some vaccines, which is a human adenovirus for which there is a high antibody prevalence, but this has the advantage of a track record as a delivery system. I have also heard it is thought to provoke a better immune response - as I understand it the adenovirus acts as the adjuvant. The Russian vaccine uses ad5 for the first dose but switches to another adenovirus for the second, to avoid a host immune attack on the delivery system.
 
Pr?alable, c'est une question de droit ? 250 000 € potentiel .

"La jeune femme, une Am?ricaine de 26 ans, travaille ? l'Edelweiss Lodge and Resort, un centre de vacances et de loisirs des forces am?ricaines, qui n'est accessible qu'aux anciens soldats am?ricains et ? leurs familles. Vingt-quatre coll?gues ou vacanciers y ont d?j? ?t? test?s positifs, selon la S?ddeutsche Zeitung."

https://www.leparisien.fr/faits-div...-dizaines-de-personnes-13-09-2020-8383956.php

Si cela entre, dans le cadre du forum , je souhaiterai savoir ce qui se passerait dans d'autres pays , dont les U.S.A ?

Il a ?t? abord? indirectement ce type de dossier notamment sur des lieux de stationnement de bases actives , mais l? ; c'est un centre de vacance ...
 
What are the UV intensities / humidities in these areas at this time of year? I wonder about reduced natural vitamin D production affecting infection rates when UV intensity drops, along with increasing air pollution (which is affected by weather and humidity) which in turn is implicated in infectivity, and finally temperature insofar as people crowd indoors for AC in very hot weather, or when it is wet and cold... Right now Sweden, Iceland, Serbia is still fairly warm (not too hot nor cold) but that will change very shortly, but I would expect UV intensity to be dropping - but then again they add Vit D to foodstuffs. Certainly the very large observational study out of Israel does add weight to the Vitamin D argument .. It is pre-print and not yet peer reviewed, but the methodology looks sound https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.09.04.20188268v1
 
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According to @HildaBast
the @AstraZeneca #SARSCoV2 #vaccine trail that stopped due to 1 case
severe spinal inflammation, then restarted, has had 2 more cases.
And severe headaches: "unspecified number of 'unexplained neurological symptoms'
...” #COVID19
https://absolutelymaybe.plos.org/2020/09/11/pha
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old thread here:
https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum...ssion-thread-v-covid-19-new-coronavirus/page8
vi is good, iv was also good : I just type vi in the firefox url-line and it finds this thread
--not. too many other vi , virus,vienna,virginia,virological
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On Sep07, BNT/Pfizer had 25,189 participants
On Sep04, the Cove trial (NIH/Moderna) had 21,411 participantsOn September 11, 23,497 –
 
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Twitter did not do anything to FluTrackers but the site has devolved into a Flame Wars site. FluTrackers has a history of not participating on these types of sites. In fact, we have never responded to any flame wars against us on any site. I will be talking to Sally about this in the next couple of days. Frankly, we don't need twitter and the constant vitriolic wordage is uncivilized and out of control. The Flame War environment on twitter serves to increase clicks which can be promoted to attract advertisers. This is an old trick of early forums. And now with the apparent widespread censorship...enough...more later......
 
I spoke to Sally and as directors we agreed to pull our support from twitter. I will make a post tomorrow that more fully describes our decision after 98.6k tweets since 2009.
 
you can block users or generally restrict, who can reply.
(I didn't try that, but I saw it)
To circumvent censorship, you can link to FT-threads, where you post the critical things

even if you don;t post at twitter, it's still useful to follow others who you appreciate
 
I completely respect your decision, Sally and Sharon. A lot of bad is going on at Twitter and Facebook. The open and silent wars there could even threathen our life and our democracy. The censorship is a real threat too.

For me Twitter was and still is a tremendous source of information. I learned a lot about many subjects. In my quiet little corner at Twitter nobody is bothering me directly. I know there is a lot going on and I try to deal with the misinformation. At the same time: everybody participating in social media could be subject to all kinds of unwanted things, incl. profiling you and targeting you.

I often link to posts at FT, what would you like me to do in the future? Continue or stop with linking to FT? I have no preference.
 
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