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  • #16
    The Hubei-health website has this as 1st message on Dec.31:

    Wuhan Municipal Health Commission on the current situation of pneumonia in our city
    2019-12-31 13:58 | Hubei Provincial Health Commission

    1/0

    Recently, some medical institutions have found that multiple pneumonia cases received are related to South China Seafood City. After receiving the report, the Municipal Health and Health Commission immediately carried out case search and retrospective investigations related to South China Seafood City in the city's medical and health institutions. Twenty-seven cases have been found, of which seven are severely ill, and the remaining cases are stable and controllable. Two cases are getting better and are planned to be discharged in the near future. The clinical manifestations of the case were mainly fever, a few patients had difficulty breathing, and chest radiographs showed infiltrative lesions of both lungs. At present, all cases have been treated in isolation, follow-up investigations and medical observations of close contacts are in progress, and hygienic investigations and environmental hygiene treatment of South China Seafood City are in progress.

    Wuhan organized the consultation of clinical medicine, epidemiology, and virology experts in Tongji Hospital, Provincial Center for Disease Control, Wuhan Institute of Virology, Chinese Academy of Sciences, Wuhan Infectious Disease Hospital, and Wuhan Center for Disease Control and other units, and the experts were transferred from the disease and treatment , Epidemiological investigation, preliminary laboratory analysis and other aspects of the situation that the above cases are viral pneumonia. The investigation so far has found no obvious person-to-person transmission, and no medical personnel have been infected. At present, the detection of pathogens and the investigation of the cause of infection are in progress.

    Viral pneumonia is more common in winter and spring, and can be sporadic or outbreaks. The clinical manifestations are mainly fever, body aches, a small number of breathing difficulties, and lung infiltration. Viral pneumonia is related to the virulence of the virus, the route of infection, and the age and immune status of the host. The viruses that cause viral pneumonia are commonly known as influenza viruses, and others are parainfluenza virus, cytomegalovirus, adenovirus, rhinovirus, coronavirus, etc. The diagnosis depends on pathogenic examination, including virus isolation, serological examination, and detection of viral antigens and nucleic acids. The disease can be prevented and controlled by preventing indoor air circulation, avoiding public places where there is no air circulation and places where people are concentrated, and wearing masks when going out. Symptomatic treatment is the main clinical practice, requiring bed rest. If you have the above symptoms, especially if your fever persists, you should go to a medical institution in time. (Wuhan Municipal Health Commission)
    I'm interested in expert panflu damage estimates
    my current links: http://bit.ly/hFI7H ILI-charts: http://bit.ly/CcRgT

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    • #17
      Coronavirus NSW: Dossier lays out case against China bat virus program

      Sharri Markson, The Daily Telegraph
      May 4, 2020 12:21am
      ...
      The paper obtained by The Saturday Telegraph speaks about “the suppression and destruction of evidence” and points to “virus samples ordered destroyed at genomics labs, wildlife market stalls bleached, the genome sequence not shared publicly, the Shanghai lab closure for ‘rectification’, academic articles subjected to prior review by the Ministry of Science and Technology and data on asymptomatic ‘silent carriers’ kept secret”.
      ...
      On December 31, Chinese authorities started censoring news of the virus from search engines, deleting terms including “SARS variation, “Wuhan Seafood market” and “Wuhan Unknown Pneumonia.”

      On January 1 without any investigation into where the virus originated from, the Wuhan seafood market was closed and disinfected.

      It has been reported in the New York Times that individual animals and cages were not swabbed “eliminating evidence of what animal might have been the source of the coronavirus and which people had become infected but survived”. The Hubei health commission ordered genomics companies to stop testing for the new virus and to destroy all samples. A day later, on January 3, China’s leading health authority, the National Health Commission, ordered Wuhan pneumonia samples be moved to designated testing facilities or destroyed, while instructing a no-publication order related to the unknown disease.

      Doctors who bravely spoke out about the new virus were detained and condemned. Their detentions were splashed across the Chinese-state media with a call from Wuhan Police for “all citizens to not fabricate rumours, not spread rumours, not believe rumours.”
      ...

      “Despite evidence of human-human transmission from early December, PRC authorities deny it until January 20,” it states.

      “The World Health Organisation does the same. Yet officials in Taiwan raised concerns as early as December 31, as did experts in Hong Kong on January 4.”
      ...
      https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/co...1c0e96ad17da60
      "Safety and security don't just happen, they are the result of collective consensus and public investment. We owe our children, the most vulnerable citizens in our society, a life free of violence and fear."
      -Nelson Mandela

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Pathfinder View Post
        Coronavirus NSW: Dossier lays out case against China bat virus program

        Sharri Markson, The Daily Telegraph
        May 4, 2020 12:21am
        ...
        The paper obtained by The Saturday Telegraph speaks about “the suppression and destruction of evidence” and points to “virus samples ordered destroyed at genomics labs, wildlife market stalls bleached, the genome sequence not shared publicly, the Shanghai lab closure for ‘rectification’, academic articles subjected to prior review by the Ministry of Science and Technology and data on asymptomatic ‘silent carriers’ kept secret”.
        ...
        On December 31, Chinese authorities started censoring news of the virus from search engines, deleting terms including “SARS variation, “Wuhan Seafood market” and “Wuhan Unknown Pneumonia.”

        On January 1 without any investigation into where the virus originated from, the Wuhan seafood market was closed and disinfected.

        It has been reported in the New York Times that individual animals and cages were not swabbed “eliminating evidence of what animal might have been the source of the coronavirus and which people had become infected but survived”. The Hubei health commission ordered genomics companies to stop testing for the new virus and to destroy all samples. A day later, on January 3, China’s leading health authority, the National Health Commission, ordered Wuhan pneumonia samples be moved to designated testing facilities or destroyed, while instructing a no-publication order related to the unknown disease.

        Doctors who bravely spoke out about the new virus were detained and condemned. Their detentions were splashed across the Chinese-state media with a call from Wuhan Police for “all citizens to not fabricate rumours, not spread rumours, not believe rumours.”
        ...

        “Despite evidence of human-human transmission from early December, PRC authorities deny it until January 20,” it states.

        “The World Health Organisation does the same. Yet officials in Taiwan raised concerns as early as December 31, as did experts in Hong Kong on January 4.”
        ...
        https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/co...1c0e96ad17da60

        Please see:

        Discussion: Chinese Academy of Sciences (CAS) in Wuhan has been working with bats and coronavirus for many years - DNA manipulations, cloning....

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        • #19
          This is Safety First Weekend

          Ok...everyone...remember at the beginning of this when we said only you can protect you?

          This is true more than ever

          You need to be careful in your daily life.The govs are opening up

          It is all up to you now.

          Some ideas:

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          • #20


            【Wuhan Pneumonia】 Latest announcement Yuan Guoyong's rare disease "nemesis" is mainly used for lung lung cocktail therapy


            4 hours ago

            The Department of Microbiology of the University of Hong Kong and the Hong Kong Public Hospital launched the first study on mixed drug treatment of patients with mild to moderate Wuhan pneumonia, and found the use of Beta interferon, lopinavir / ritonavir and ribavir The combination therapy of Velin, compared with the use of lopinavir / ritonavir alone, can suppress the virus for 5 days, resolve the symptoms for 4 days, and discharge to hospital in 5.5 days.

            Yuan Guoyong, Chair Professor of the Department of Microbiology at the University of Hong Kong, said that studies have shown that treatment of mild to moderate patients with mixed drugs within 7 days after the onset of disease can quickly suppress the amount of virus, reduce the time of virus transmission and the risk of infection by medical staff.


            The patient's average condition at 52 years old was mild to moderate
            The study, published in the international medical journal "Needle Needle", involved 127 confirmed patients with Wuhan pneumonia who were admitted to six public hospitals from early February to mid-March. They were 52 years old on average and had mild to moderate illness. Patients were randomized to use a combination of drugs, namely Beta interferon, lopinavir / ritonavir and ribavirin, or a control group that used only lopinavir / ritonavir.

            86 patients used the mixed drug for 14 days, with lopinavir / ritonavir and ribavirin 12 hours apart daily, and injected up to 3 doses of Beta interferon every other day; the remaining 41 patients served as a control group , Only use lopinavir / ritonavir every 12 hours.

            All patients take the medicine on average 5 days after the onset of the disease. If necessary, they will use steroids, antibiotics and ventilators. Researchers monitor the patient's clinical symptoms, nasopharyngeal swabs, deep throat saliva and other sample tests to understand the changes in viral volume.


            On average, 9 days in a group of mixed drugs
            It was found that after the patients began to use the mixed drugs, the virus was effectively suppressed within an average of 7 days, and the virus could not be detected by the nasopharyngeal swab test; it took an average of 12 days to suppress the virus compared with the control group, and the average was 5 days faster.

            In a group of mixed drugs, the symptoms resolved on average only 4 days, and the average hospitalization was 9 days; while the control group patients took 8 days to resolve the symptoms, and the average hospitalization was 14.5 days.

            Studies have shown that the sooner patients receive mixed drug treatment, the better the effect. 52 patients used the mixed drug within 7 days after the onset of disease. The clinical treatment and the effect of reducing the amount of virus were better than those of the control group who also took the drug within 7 days after the onset of the disease. However, 34 patients who took the mixed drugs (excluding interferon) 7 days or more after the onset of the disease had similar therapeutic effects as the 17 control patients who also took the drugs 7 days or more after the onset of the disease.


            Study on Beta interferon as a drug for the treatment of Wufei backbone
            The study pointed out that Beta interferon is the main element in mixed drug therapy, which can strengthen the body's ability to attack Wuhan pneumonia virus and respond to viral infections. Future Phase III clinical studies can further determine whether Beta interferon is the backbone of Wuhan pneumonia drug.

            In terms of side effects, the two groups of patients were in a similar situation. 48% of the patients who used mixed drugs and 49% of the patients in the control group had side effects, mainly diarrhea, fever and runny nose. Only one patient in the control group had severe liver problems and did not continue to take medication.

            Yuan Guoyong said that although the study confirmed the efficacy of mixed drugs in the treatment of patients with mild to moderate disease, a third-phase clinical study is still required to determine the effect of treating severe patients and the effect of Beta interferon alone.


            Treatment with mixed drugs effectively reduces drug resistance
            In 2003, lopinavir / ritonavir and ribavirin were used to treat SARS patients, which can significantly reduce the risk of respiratory failure and death. Beta interferon, originally used to treat multiple sclerosis, can reduce the number of Middle East Respiratory Syndrome coronavirus in animal experiments. Influenza is similar to Wuhan pneumonia. The amount of virus in the human body is higher when the symptoms appear. The treatment effect of flu with mixed drugs is better than that of a single drug, and it can also reduce drug resistance. So the researchers hypothesized that the same drug was used to treat Wuhan pneumonia.


            https://hk.video.appledaily.com/loca...SFZUCMKTME57A/

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            • #21
              this is so typical ... articles are biased. They want to show something and report the findings which support that claim while leaving
              out findings which support the opposite. We termed it "ads" (agenda-driven-science) as opposed to "cds" (curiosity-driven-science)
              where you don't know in advance what will be the result.
              China shared the sequences early (Jan10) and the measures after Jan20 were very strong and quick.
              As I understood the coverup in new cases was mainly by Hubei Jan01-Jan16
              (no pcr-tests yet ?) and they were later fired for it.
              Last edited by gsgs; May 9, 2020, 09:55 PM.
              I'm interested in expert panflu damage estimates
              my current links: http://bit.ly/hFI7H ILI-charts: http://bit.ly/CcRgT

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              • #22

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                • kiwibird
                  kiwibird commented
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                  Happy Mothers Day to you too.

              • #23
                Italy -

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                Is it true that the virus has weakened? The discussion between virologists and experts

                Everyone agrees on one point: there is no evidence that Coronavirus has mutated

                Editorial board
                may 11, 2020 08:37

                Is the virus really becoming less aggressive or is the drop in infections (and deaths) only thanks to the lockdown? On the point between virologists and experts there is no uniformity of views.

                Coronavirus, Remuzzi: "It seems to be facing a different disease"

                Experts have recently spoken on the subject, including Giorgio Remuzzi, director of the Mario Negri Institute for Pharmacological Research in Milan. "The patients of today are completely different from those of three or four weeks ago," Remuzzi explained to 'Piazza Pulita', during the episode aired on Thursday 7 May.

                "Intensive care and hospitalizations continue to decrease. 80 people first came to the emergency room, all with severe breathing difficulties, today ten and eight arrive and you can send them home. The situation has changed everywhere, not only in Bergamo and in Milan, but also in Rome and Naples ". Remuzzi said he did not know "if it is the virus has changed or if it is the viral load of each patient that has changed, the only thing I can say is that he seems to be facing a very different disease from the one he put our structures in crisis at the beginning of the pandemic ". In fact, on Sunday 10 May in Milan there was a new increase in ICU admissions .

                Bassetti: "Maybe the virus has lost power, but has not been proven"

                Matteo Bassetti, director of the operational unit of the infectious diseases clinic at the Policlinico San Martino in Genoa, was among the first to argue, albeit with great caution, that the virus was beating in retreat. "The feeling is that he lost strength and that spirit of aggression that he had in the middle of the month of March." These are the words of the infectious disease specialist in an interview released on April 24 with the newspaper 'La Verit?'.

                In the past few hours, commenting on Zaia's words on the (very presumed) artificial origin of the virus, Bassetti returned to the subject, specifying that Sars-CoV-2, "has reached an acme, is descending and we definitely have a very large number of cases. less than 4 weeks ago: it is a story of evolution of the epidemic. Moreover - he added - it could also be that he lost strength because he lost virulence factors, but this has not yet been scientifically proven. All this however - he reiterated - it has nothing to do with it being natural or artificial. "

                "A virus - underlined the infectious disease specialist - can become more or less aggressive in a natural way. It has historically happened with many other epidemics of the past, from those of influenza to those of other viruses, there is nothing new. We hope that it is also happening with the coronavirus and that maybe in 2-3 years this will be a less aggressive virus similar to that of the flu or a milder syndrome ".

                However, Bassetti has not ruled out the possibility that Covid seems less aggressive only because "it has already hit the most fragile subjects".

                The infectious disease specialist Le Foche: "Less important syndromes from a clinical point of view"
                Even Francesco Le Foche, head of Immuno-infectious disease at the Day hospital of the Policlinico Umberto I in Rome, believes it is plausible that Covid has lost his initial position. "We are doing quite well," said Rai Radio 2 days ago. "We have started phase 2, the second half of this game against Covid-19. Today we see less clinically important syndromes. This could be given by a reduction in the virulence of the virus. We reserve intensive care for very rare cases. But all these advances we have talked about must not make one think of a "free den all". We need aware and responsible behavior on the part of everyone ".

                Is the epidemic clearing?

                The experts mentioned so far therefore believe that the virus has lost strength: but this is a possibility that must be distinguished from certainty. And again: Massimo Clementi, director of the virology laboratory of San Raffaele in Milan who spoke to 'Otto e mezzo', on La7, about an "epidemic that is emptying", and a virus that "will become harmless as a cold ".

                The perplexities of Galli: "To say that the virus has calmed down is beyond all logic"

                Other virologists are more pessimistic about the alleged weakening of Covid-19. Professor Massimo Galli, director of the infectious diseases department at the Sacco hospital in Milan, expressed strong doubts that Coronavirus is now less lethal. "The situation has changed - he asked Askanews - because the elderly and the most vulnerable who survived after the first wave closed in the house in conditions of maximum security. But to say that the virus has calmed seems to me to be beyond any logic. there is scientific evidence to say that the virus is now less bad than before. We have not seen changes that suggest a less virulence of the virus ".

                The epidemiologist: "No scientific evidence, sending these messages does not help"

                And so also Alessandro Vespignani, epidemiologist of the University of Boston, who always said to 'Eight and a half' said : "If there was scientific evidence of this we will all be happy, but honestly from all my contacts with other experts from the there is no evidence of this kind in the international research world ". According to Vespignani, therefore, these are "personal opinions" not supported by facts. "This type of information does not help the public - he added - because they suggest that the virus is less dangerous and we can go back to doing what we did before. It is not true, it is not so."

                Antonino Di Caro, head of the microbiology laboratory of the Lazzaro Spallanzani institute in Cremona, is also skeptical. According to Di Caro so far "no significant mutations related to pathogenicity, ie ability to attack, and transmission have been observed". Why then do fewer serious cases arrive in hospitals? "It does not seem to me that it is thus analyzing the data of the Civil Protection" said Di Caro to 'Corriere della Sera'. "The percentage of patients treated at home and those in the hospital is constant over time. I would not feel like saying that there is less aggression. The virus attenuated in the circulation only because it was conditioned by the containment measures".

                The virologist Silvestri: "Discussing it is not pseudoscience"

                The virologist Guido Silvestri, an Italian professor in the USA at the Emory Univeristy in Atlanta, has a different opinion. Is coronavirus getting better? Considering this possibility, talking about it and discussing it, "does not mean doing pseudoscience," says Silvestri, who thus fits into the debate that in these hours seems to have created a new rift among scientists in the media spotlight in the Covid-19 emergency.

                "While there are - writes Silvestri in his social section 'Pills of optimism, the optimism that comes from knowledge' - I take this opportunity to pray to the reader to help me avoid another cloying controversy among experts (the virus is getting better, yes or no?). It is clear that the disease seems less severe than a few weeks ago. It could be the heat (which causes infections with lower viral inoculum), and / or our improved ability to treat the disease, and / or the virus that 'adapts' to the new host by reducing pathogenesis (a phenomenon well known to anyone who knows virology) ".

                In any case, "discussing the latter possibility in light of one's clinical experience and theoretical knowledge does not mean doing 'pseudoscience', as a colleague (in the sense of 'endowed professor' in an American university) feared with unhappy words in a Italian TV talk show. "Having said that, nobody is perfect - adds the virologist - I have written unhappy phrases too. Now let's close it here and focus on the real enemy, Sars-CoV-2, which is on the ropes but not yet Ko ".

                "Safety and security don't just happen, they are the result of collective consensus and public investment. We owe our children, the most vulnerable citizens in our society, a life free of violence and fear."
                -Nelson Mandela

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                • #24
                  I have been watching the mutations closely and there is nothing at the sequence level that gives any indication of a change in the virus that could be attributed to a change in virulence - or anything else. The mutations are largely random and the one change that might be evidence of adaption is not in Italy.

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                  • #25

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                    • #26
                      Scientists at Tulane National Primate Research Center studying vaccines, treatments for COVID-19

                      by LESLIE CARD?
                      APRIL 16, 2020
                      ...
                      There are certainly arguments made by virologists that this novel coronavirus has no need to change.

                      “Look, this is a virus which is well adapted to humans,” explained Dr. Garry. “It’s been spreading unchecked for many months now across the globe. There is no advantage for this virus to start killing off its host (humans), because it’s been very effective. That leads us to believe that this virus would become less virulent over time, not more virulent.”

                      Assuming COVID-19 will continue to spread, it’s important we learn just how the contagion goes from one individual to another, why everyone responds in a different manner, and how long the virus actually stays in the body, even after symptoms abate.

                      “You know, from some of the animal models that we’ve done thus far, it looks like the virus tends to sequester in the body,” said Roy. “We’d like to know if the body switches over to a true convalescent state where there’s no more virus, and no further possibility of spreading the virus, or becoming reinfected. Those are critical questions we still need to answer.”
                      ...
                      “We know that you can shed virus for 2-3 weeks after your symptoms resolve,” said Garry. “But does this mean one is still infectious? It’s likely shedding could last a while, but is it days or weeks? We don’t know, and it’s something for which we need an answer before we send anyone back into the community.
                      I will say this … you definitely should mask up during this post-symptom convalescent period. It’s not the time to visit grandma.”
                      ...


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                      Scientists race for vaccine, but still struggle to understand how new virus works

                      by LESLIE CARD?
                      MAY 8, 2020

                      As America begins to reopen its parks, beaches, and restaurants, while COVID-19 cases continue to grow in some places, The Lens was presented with this cautionary tale, recounted by the chair of genetics and director of precision medicine at LSU Health Sciences Center New Orleans.
                      ...
                      “Everyone has been curious about where their cases first began, and Germany has gone to extraordinary lengths to track back its initial cases, “ said geneticist and professor Lucio Miele, MD, Ph.D. “Let’s remember, Germany began to see cases back in January, and in the ensuing months they have tried diligently to find Patient Zero — the very first case. They were able to contact trace back to Patient Four, and proceeded to determine how Patient Four infected Patient Five. They elaborately tracked down all of the people each one knew, whom they’d been with, in what rooms, with all of the specifics. The only link between number four and number five was a salt shaker. These two men were working at the same company in Bavaria, were in the same cafeteria, but not at the same table, when one of them said ‘Pass the salt, please.’ ”

                      It’s just one of many examples of just how contagious the novel coronavirus can be. That’s the reason there’s a race across the world for a vaccine.
                      ...
                      “There was a massive effort to conquer polio in the 50s because it was literally crippling people,” Miele said. “We are working our hardest at the moment to come up with a mass vaccination that covers a lot of genotypes. However, at this point, even if we get partial immunity, it gives us some protection, and may make this virus manageable, until we can conquer it entirely. In the meantime, I cannot tell you that I feel safe sitting inside a restaurant without a vaccine.
                      ...
                      "Safety and security don't just happen, they are the result of collective consensus and public investment. We owe our children, the most vulnerable citizens in our society, a life free of violence and fear."
                      -Nelson Mandela

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                      • #27
                        Merci,

                        donc avec le temps on s'habitue ... Elle dit quoi l'acad?mie chinoise de l'?tat des soldats chinois ?

                        En France il a ?t? fait ceci :
                        https://www.meretmarine.com/fr/conte...s-des-enquetes

                        Visiblement pour les militaires on sait regarder plus que pour les vieux et m?me les citoyens. Donc, en gros, c'est les politiques, puis les militaires , puis les m?decins et enfin les autres . J'aimerai avoir ? me d?dire mais sur la base de faits ...


                        Imposer que l'O.M.S se penche sur le dossier des militaires de tous les pays , me semble une n?cessit? ... Cela a ?t? offert par le biais d'une comp?tition, mais vu le comportement de bien trop , il faut certainement plus ...

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                        • #28
                          Sorry, but I’m in a flame war with a choir director that alleges little or no risk to younger age groups because the fatal stats are skewed toward >60 (a result of the MMWR report on the choir outbreak in mid-March (report was in May). However, I read elsewhere that younger age groups are being hit with permanent lung impairments and other complications after COVID recovery. Is there a report, article or chart on that somewhere?

                          Many thanks,

                          J.

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                          • #29
                            ? Dans leur culture hi?rarchique, un chercheur qui fait une mauvaise manipulation risque de ne pas la signaler pour ?viter de perdre la face. Or, ces accidents sont fr?quents et les protocoles de s?curit? sont mal fichus. ?

                            issu de

                            Des donn?es t?l?phoniques sugg?rent une possible fermeture du laboratoire de Wuhan en... octobre
                            https://www.valeursactuelles.com/mon...octobre-119230

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                            • Emily
                              Emily commented
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                              Thank you, bertrand. I shared your link on the laboratory accident thread, too.

                          • #30
                            Originally posted by cartski View Post
                            Sorry, but I’m in a flame war with a choir director that alleges little or no risk to younger age groups because the fatal stats are skewed toward >60 (a result of the MMWR report on the choir outbreak in mid-March (report was in May). However, I read elsewhere that younger age groups are being hit with permanent lung impairments and other complications after COVID recovery. Is there a report, article or chart on that somewhere?

                            Many thanks,

                            J.
                            Here you may find some usefull information/links:

                            https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/...ive-care-units

                            https://www.livescience.com/children...nfections.html

                            Regarding the outbreak in the choir in Skagit County: after a practice with 1 symptomatic person, 87% of the group developed Covid-19. If these are children, they can infect others, like (grand)parents.

                            On March 17, 2020, a member of a Skagit County, Washington, choir informed Skagit County Public Health (SCPH) that several members of the 122-member choir had become ill.
                            ?Addressing chronic disease is an issue of human rights ? that must be our call to arms"
                            Richard Horton, Editor-in-Chief The Lancet

                            ~~~~ Twitter:@GertvanderHoek ~~~ GertvanderHoek@gmail.com ~~~

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                            • JJackson
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                              I would add this is not a straightforward respiratory infection, the sequelae are legion. One third of hospitalised patients had clots (admittedly one study), Kawasaki like syndrome is a children's problem but in fairly small numbers, neurological disorders and plenty of patients who do not recover, or recover fully, months after infection. And this is only its opening gambit we have no idea what the long term outlook is as there are no aged cases. Singing not only expels more air but after a holding a long note needs a deep breath which draws a lot more air into the deep lung bypassing the URT IgA.
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