Discussion thread V - COVID-19 (new coronavirus)

[bertrand789]

Cela existe des v?t?rinaires en Chine ?
Vu

[gsgs]

I updated my charts :
world,weekly : http://magictour.free.fr/wo-18.GIF
europe, trend, weekly : http://magictour.free.fr/eu-18.GIF
world,trend,daily : http://magictour.free.fr/w-0617.GIF
412 German regions : http://magictour.free.fr/lk-0620.GIF
US-States :

[gsgs]

it goes up in many areas of the world now. Coincidence ? International travel ? Relaxing measures ?

[sharon sanders]

I can't find :
Xu, L. 'The analysis of 6 patients with severe pneumonia caused by unknown viruses' Masters
thesis, Kunming Medical University, China, (2013).
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6 miners in a batcave supposedly infected by a RaTG13-like virus, 3 died .
So, the new cleavage site in SARS2 may hve made it _less_ severe but more transmissable ?

https://www.preprints.org/manuscript/202005.0322/v2

> The cause of the pneumonia was diagnosed to be primarily of a viral origin (related to bats)

how did they know viral origin, if not by sequencing ? They probably would have sequenced
them, wrt. all that SARS-research and the following extensive examinations of the mine
by the WIV resulting in 152 bat-sequences

a friend of FluTrackers sent this link for gsgs:

http://eng.oversea.cnki.net/Kcms/det...bname=CMFD2014

[gsgs]

thanks. Emily had also found it. They probably died from the fungus on the bat-guano. The origin of the RaTG13 (=bat/4991 ?)
virus is unclear, hopefully to be clarified.

[Emily]

There's a working paper that says the cause was determined to be viral enhanced by the fungus.

https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/welcome-to-the-scientific-library/genetics-aa/873616-understanding-the-origin-of-%E2%80%98batcovratg13%E2%80%99-a-virus-closest-to-sars-cov-2

Here is their reference: Xu, L. 'The analysis of 6 patients with severe pneumonia caused by unknown viruses' Masters
thesis, Kunming Medical University, China, (2013)
It was the 'bat lady' Shi that claimed that only the fungus killed the miners. She is not a medical doctor, though.

[bertrand789]

pour moi, voici, peut ?tre, le plus bel article, que j'ai eu ? lire sur ce sujet. Si je peut ?tre tr?s dur avec les journaleux, l? , franchement, cela a la d?licatesse et la pr?cision souhait?e et necessaire:

BRAVO


Mexico’s Central de Abasto: How coronavirus tore through Latin America’s largest market

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...=nl_tyh&wpmk=1

" Le virus semble ?tre entr? dans le pays avec la classe sup?rieure - des personnes revenant de voyages d'affaires en Italie et de vacances de ski au Colorado. Mais il s'est rapidement propag? aux travailleurs ? faible revenu, qui ont ?t? particuli?rement touch?s."

il est ?voqu? bien des v?rit?s. Il faudrait faire le m?me sur tous les grands march?s de ce type au monde. Ce sera le meilleur moyen pour montrer comment chaque pays a trait? et traite ce dossier.

Cela permettra, peut ?tre, que l'O.M.S prenne un peu de profondeur, car cela ?tait pr?visible et aurait du faire l'objet de message bien plus clair .

Ceci est important, car il y a la premi?re vague, mais si, il y a deuxi?me vague, etc , cela se passera aussi dans ce type de lieu, vu la masse de population qui y circule ... La d?sinformation sur ce type de dossier est une illusion, car, en plus, ils se causent et se connaissent. Ce qui veut dire, que les journalistes disposerons, de toutes les aides, pour faire leur travail. Je dis cela , car, pour eux la coupe est pleine : il faut du vrai, du concret et plus de salades...

J'esp?re que l'on parlera s?rieusement de l'aspect surpoids, ses cons?quences et des moyens de g?rer cela , dont la di?te hydrique, suivant technique au d?part russe...

[Emily]

Here's the story, (relevant part starts at about 13:30), of another Youtube fulltime RV'er who got sick with what could have been COVID. All tests were negative, including antibodies, but both her allopathic doctors think she did have COVID. She finally recovered after a naturopath tested her zinc and vit A levels and found them low, (common in vegans), and the naturopath also recommended high doses of vit C, (I think it was 4,000 to 6,000mg or until bowel symptoms). Carolyn took the zinc and C but didn't have any A, (probably hard to find a vegan source). She recovered quickly with those two. The naturopath thought she had had COVID also.
Who knows what is going on, but something that does not test positive in any way for COVID is or was going around. Virologists say that the virus has not changed much, but they probably aren't getting samples of these types of cases.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvmoRSPxl5g

[bertrand789]

Emily, je suis s?r que les r?sultats de cette mani?re sont possible , en revanche, les interpr?tations sur les pourquoi me semblent bien loin de la r?alit?.

Il faut de la science dure pour prouver ces anomalies, et cette science dure doit prendre en compte les microbiotes, sinon, ce ne sont , ? ce stade , vu le su , que des sciences molles au service des uns et des autres, suivant le sens de l'argent ...

[sharon sanders]

Zhong Nanshan's latest judgment: The new crown will not disappear this winter and next spring


June 24, 2020 06:52 People's Daily





　　Original title: Zhong Nanshan's latest judgment!
　　On June 23, Academician Zhong Nanshan said in an exclusive interview that during the "this winter and next spring" communication, it is expected that the new coronary pneumonia epidemic will not disappear, but it will not be as large as the first outbreak. When necessary, short-term measures are needed, such as short-term measures such as suspension of classes in primary and secondary schools, temporary suspension of classes at universities, and flight reduction, and strong measures are still required to control the disease from happening again.


https://finance.sina.com.cn/china/gn...k8662755.shtml

[sharon sanders]

This person has received wide attention and has created an alternative site with Florida's coronavirus statistics. She says she was previously employed by the state of Florida to help tally the Florida COVID-19 statistics and maintain the state website. We post her numbers alongside Florida's official numbers as a public service on our Florida thread. link

Now she is alleging a conspiracy inside Florida government to manipulate numbers. She says she has confirmed this.

If the Florida government is artificially lowering actual case and deaths figures those responsible should be prosecuted for endangering the public.

Likewise, if Ms. Jones is perpetuating a fraud upon the public she should be held accountable.

COVID-19 is a public health threat and in this day of phone cameras and sophisticated technology - the truth will be exposed.


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[Emily]

Her project's Gofundme has already raised $182,000 with a goal of $500,000.

[Emily]

Too much of a good thing?

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7239070/

In contrast, the immunocompromised NIH patients exhibited a slower rise in antibody levels with a plateau at lower levels compared to the immunocompetent patients, and two patients did not become seropositive until 14 days after onset of symptoms. Nonetheless, the immunocompromised patients had a favorable clinical outcome. The NIH patient who died (NIH-3) was not immunocompromised and had a rapid rise in antibody production reaching levels comparable to the other immunocompetent patients. In addition, one of the two EH patients who died showed the highest antibody levels in that cohort of patients. While excessive proinflammatory responses to the virus have been reported to contribute to poor outcomes [^29–31], larger studies of COVID-19 patients are required to determine whether antibody levels directly correlate with disease severity.

[Mary Wilson]

Former Florida data official creates her own Covid-19 site that shows more cases than state reports

By Melissa Alonso
Updated 3:43 AM ET, Mon June 15, 2020

(CNN)The data official behind Florida's Covid-19 dashboard says she has launched her own dashboard after being removed from the state's project.

Rebekah Jones was removed from the state's scrutinized dashboard project after she questioned other officials' commitment to accessibility and transparency, according to Florida Today.
Last month, Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis contested Jones' claims. The Florida Department of Health (DOH) said she had "exhibited a repeated course of insubordination" during her tenure there.

... However, Jones parallels her data alongside DOH's coronavirus numbers, which are much lower, according to the website.

"DOH publishes total cases, not positive people," the website says. "Additionally, cases are not currently created for those who receive positive antibody test results, and so DOH excludes them from that total. We show the total number of people who have definitive lab results showing they have or have had COVID-19 regardless of the type of test."

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/15/us/florida-coronavirus-data-dashboard/index.html?utm_medium=social&utm_source=twCNN&utm_content=2020-06-24T12:09:49

LINK to Jones' DASHBOARD:

https://experience.arcgis.com/experience/7572b118dc3c48d885d1c643c195314e/

[Emily]

Jones' Gofundme is up to $184,000 now. Some are larger donations up to $2,500 but many are small. The website also has a PO box to mail in donations and a Paypal address for donations. Since the effort is all about transparency, maybe a public accounting firm could be hired to manage and report on how the money is being spent.
And then there is this:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ree-times.html

Isn't it nasty the way unrelated criminal charges can be dug up and used to discredit whistleblowers? So we have some states allegedly playing with statistics to meet CDC's reopening guidelines. At the other end of the spectrum we have my state (WA) criminalizing those not wearing masks. They will set up citizens for the same type of nasty discrediting that Jones is experiencing if they charge people, let alone convict them. But this keeps the numbers down so reopening can proceed. That is all these states care about.

[sharon sanders]

Jones' Gofundme is up to $184,000 now. Some are larger donations up to $2,500 but many are small. The website also has a PO box to mail in donations and a Paypal address for donations. Since the effort is all about transparency, maybe a public accounting firm could be hired to manage and report on how the money is being spent.
And then there is this:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ree-times.html

Isn't it nasty the way unrelated criminal charges can be dug up and used to discredit whistleblowers? So we have some states allegedly playing with statistics to meet CDC's reopening guidelines. At the other end of the spectrum we have my state (WA) criminalizing those not wearing masks. They will set up citizens for the same type of nasty discrediting that Jones is experiencing if they charge people, let alone convict them. But this keeps the numbers down so reopening can proceed. That is all these states care about.

Now Quebec province, which has the largest outbreak in Canada, is going to start reporting only once a week.

Brazil government numbers are unreliable.

France numbers have been all over the place depending how they count the nursing homes.

And we all know about China.

I remarked earlier how I felt about Florida's counting of Zika cases so this current counting cases situation is no surprise. link

I hope Ms. Jones is truthful about both the stats she reports and the information she presented on her twitter account (in post #175) but as we have seen in every single outbreak, people try to sell stuff so........?

[sharon sanders]

Now Quebec province, which has the largest outbreak in Canada, is going to start reporting only once a week.

Brazil government numbers are unreliable.

France numbers have been all over the place depending how they count the nursing homes.

And we all know about China.

I remarked earlier how I felt about Florida's counting of Zika cases so this current counting cases situation is no surprise. link

I hope Ms. Jones is truthful about both the stats she reports and the information she presented on her twitter account (in post #175) but as we have seen in every single outbreak, people try to sell stuff so........?

So...out of curiosity I looked up the software that Ms. Jones is apparently using because the amount of money raised is staggering. And the goal is 500k?

It appears - and I could be wrong - that her software cost $800 for a business and $100 for an individual. Please someone - check on this for me....


https://www.esri.com/en-us/arcgis/pr...is-desktop/buy

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FluTrackers was offered free hosting and money in this pandemic. We do not have any donation button or go fund me page. I thought we should remain "virgin" of any influence. If people don't like our presentations, opinions, etc. Ok. But they know that we are speaking from a genuine place.

The go fund me page is now at 187k and is sponsored by Rebekah Danielle and Tim Rayhill. I believe Rebekah Danielle is Ms. Jones.

I really hope she is on the "up and up" on this.

The vbulletin software package cost about $300 at the time we started so I had a feeling the arcgis software that many entities are using had to be reasonably priced. Maybe Ms. Jones is using some super duper version of arcgis that costs in the tens of thousands?