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Report: Armed men attack Liberia Ebola clinic, freeing patients
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JimO
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Re: Report: Armed men attack Liberia Ebola clinic, freeing patients
Perhaps they thought it would be more accessible to those who couldn't find transportation?
Perhaps they thought it would be more accessible to those who couldn't find transportation?
Emily
Editor, Senior Moderator
Re: Report: Armed men attack Liberia Ebola clinic, freeing patients
This is what I would have thought - that this was a treatment or at least quarantine center for residents of the slum, but if this report is correct, potentially infected people were being brought there from elsewhere in Monrovia.
Was this done to protect more affluent areas of the city from disease? It was a big fail if so. Now perhaps they'll set up a quarantine outside of the city, in a place where they can maintain perimeter control and bus people there.
This is what I would have thought - that this was a treatment or at least quarantine center for residents of the slum, but if this report is correct, potentially infected people were being brought there from elsewhere in Monrovia.
Was this done to protect more affluent areas of the city from disease? It was a big fail if so. Now perhaps they'll set up a quarantine outside of the city, in a place where they can maintain perimeter control and bus people there.
Emily
Editor, Senior Moderator
Re: Report: Armed men attack Liberia Ebola clinic, freeing patients
No wonder if they were dumping patients from elsewhere there.
No wonder if they were dumping patients from elsewhere there.
Shiloh
Editor, Senior Moderator
Re: Report: Armed men attack Liberia Ebola clinic, freeing patients
Raid sparks new Ebola fears as patients flee, bloody sheets stolen
Liberian officials fear Ebola could soon spread through the capital?s largest slum after residents raided a quarantine centre and took bloody sheets and mattresses.
MONROVIA, LIBERIA?Liberian officials fear Ebola could soon spread through the capital?s largest slum after residents raided a quarantine centre for suspected patients and took items including bloody sheets and mattresses.
The violence in the West Point slum occurred late Saturday and was led by residents angry that patients were brought to the holding centre from other parts of Monrovia, Tolbert Nyenswah, assistant health minister, said Sunday.
Up to 30 patients were staying at the centre and many of them fled at the time of the raid, said Nyenswah. Once they are located they will be transferred to the Ebola centre at Monrovia?s largest hospital, he said.
West Point residents went on a ?looting spree,? stealing items from the clinic that were likely infected, said a senior police official, who insisted on anonymity because he was not authorized to brief the press. The residents took medical equipment and mattresses and sheets that had bloodstains, he said. Ebola is spread through bodily fluids including blood, vomit, feces and sweat...
Raid sparks new Ebola fears as patients flee, bloody sheets stolen
Liberian officials fear Ebola could soon spread through the capital?s largest slum after residents raided a quarantine centre and took bloody sheets and mattresses.
MONROVIA, LIBERIA?Liberian officials fear Ebola could soon spread through the capital?s largest slum after residents raided a quarantine centre for suspected patients and took items including bloody sheets and mattresses.
The violence in the West Point slum occurred late Saturday and was led by residents angry that patients were brought to the holding centre from other parts of Monrovia, Tolbert Nyenswah, assistant health minister, said Sunday.
Up to 30 patients were staying at the centre and many of them fled at the time of the raid, said Nyenswah. Once they are located they will be transferred to the Ebola centre at Monrovia?s largest hospital, he said.
West Point residents went on a ?looting spree,? stealing items from the clinic that were likely infected, said a senior police official, who insisted on anonymity because he was not authorized to brief the press. The residents took medical equipment and mattresses and sheets that had bloodstains, he said. Ebola is spread through bodily fluids including blood, vomit, feces and sweat...
Emily
Editor, Senior Moderator
Re: Report: Armed men attack Liberia Ebola clinic, freeing patients
I think we have to careful about cannibalism rumors:
http://allafrica.com/stories/201408180394.html
I think we have to careful about cannibalism rumors:
http://allafrica.com/stories/201408180394.html
Nika
Well-known member
Re: Report: Armed men attack Liberia Ebola clinic, freeing patients
Yes i think its best to forego spreading rumors about things that we have no first hand knowledge of or verfied credible reporting. Its a matter of valuing dignity. We are here to provide a clearinghouse (of sorts) of info on infectious diseases, not dwell on salatious distractions. Im sure all manner of rumors of misdeeds (true and not true) can be sifted through on any given day, going back millenia. (Humans dont change - its a demon haunted world after all).
We serve FT visitors best when we remain as objective and calm as possible and dedicated to the mission here. Our western notions of life and healthcare are essentially irrelevant to the actual situation.
Yes i think its best to forego spreading rumors about things that we have no first hand knowledge of or verfied credible reporting. Its a matter of valuing dignity. We are here to provide a clearinghouse (of sorts) of info on infectious diseases, not dwell on salatious distractions. Im sure all manner of rumors of misdeeds (true and not true) can be sifted through on any given day, going back millenia. (Humans dont change - its a demon haunted world after all).
We serve FT visitors best when we remain as objective and calm as possible and dedicated to the mission here. Our western notions of life and healthcare are essentially irrelevant to the actual situation.
Pathfinder
Editor, Senior Moderator
Re: Report: Armed men attack Liberia Ebola clinic, freeing patients
West Point Runs Amok: Why Was Ebola Isolation Unit Ransacked
Written by Wade C. L. Williams,
Published: 18 August 2014
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Nyenswah said the ministry was asked by the commissioner of West Point to set up the holding facility because the area was becoming notorious to a secret burial of people who were dying of unknown causes.
?They were burying people behind a river called devil island and so since people were buried secretly, the commissioner thought it wise to come in at the ministry of health so that we discuss how to respond to the situation in the West Point Area, so that it didn?t blow into a full-scale Ebola outbreak in that area,? he said.
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Sam Tarplah, a registered nurse who is managing the self-initiative isolation center early Saturday morning took journalists on a tour of a facility where the suspected Ebola patients were being kept in isolation.
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He said on Friday, a lady from Bardnersville who brought food for her husband and a son, two of them suspected Ebola cases, though another nurse said they were positive, became angry when she was not allowed entry and as such, some residents of West Point, assisted her in erecting sticks on the wall of the fence where the man and his son escaped. Late Saturday night, the remaining 17 left the isolation center assisted by angry residents of the West Point Community.
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?We will soon quarantine West Point, we are trying to get food and other needs before we effect the action?, Nyeswah said. As the news of quarantining the area spreads, residents have become angry over the planned action and have been threatening to resist...
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http://frontpageafricaonline.com/in...s-amok-why-was-ebola-isolation-unit-ransacked
West Point Runs Amok: Why Was Ebola Isolation Unit Ransacked
Written by Wade C. L. Williams,
Published: 18 August 2014
...
Nyenswah said the ministry was asked by the commissioner of West Point to set up the holding facility because the area was becoming notorious to a secret burial of people who were dying of unknown causes.
?They were burying people behind a river called devil island and so since people were buried secretly, the commissioner thought it wise to come in at the ministry of health so that we discuss how to respond to the situation in the West Point Area, so that it didn?t blow into a full-scale Ebola outbreak in that area,? he said.
...
Sam Tarplah, a registered nurse who is managing the self-initiative isolation center early Saturday morning took journalists on a tour of a facility where the suspected Ebola patients were being kept in isolation.
...
He said on Friday, a lady from Bardnersville who brought food for her husband and a son, two of them suspected Ebola cases, though another nurse said they were positive, became angry when she was not allowed entry and as such, some residents of West Point, assisted her in erecting sticks on the wall of the fence where the man and his son escaped. Late Saturday night, the remaining 17 left the isolation center assisted by angry residents of the West Point Community.
...
?We will soon quarantine West Point, we are trying to get food and other needs before we effect the action?, Nyeswah said. As the news of quarantining the area spreads, residents have become angry over the planned action and have been threatening to resist...
...
http://frontpageafricaonline.com/in...s-amok-why-was-ebola-isolation-unit-ransacked
Re: Report: Armed men attack Liberia Ebola clinic, freeing patients
It is a near certainty that the West Point residents will now be exposed to Ebola making it a focal point of the outbreak (if it wasnt already), especially those involved in the looting. However, is it wise to delay the quarantine? It gives more time for them to flee the area and spread the disease more widely.
However, what this incident shows is that there is a desperate need for some intervention that can be offered that increases hope of survival.
Whilst I understand there is a fear of 'quack' remedies that can be harmful, there are established approaches that could be employed with good science behind them, that would be unlikely to do any harm.
As ebola disables the immune system response, and specifically the interferon response (recent PV25 study) before causing cytokine dysregulation, issuing specialist nutrition and / or supplements that have a good evidence base for immune system support (necessary for modulation) may help improve survival rates, and they wont know until they try.
More study is needed to determine if this would be helpful or not, but surely would do no harm and may have considerable psychological value. Such supplements could be provided to isolation and treatment centers and could encourage people who have had contact with ebola patients to come forward for monitoring, isolation (if appropriate) or quarantine.
It is a near certainty that the West Point residents will now be exposed to Ebola making it a focal point of the outbreak (if it wasnt already), especially those involved in the looting. However, is it wise to delay the quarantine? It gives more time for them to flee the area and spread the disease more widely.
However, what this incident shows is that there is a desperate need for some intervention that can be offered that increases hope of survival.
Whilst I understand there is a fear of 'quack' remedies that can be harmful, there are established approaches that could be employed with good science behind them, that would be unlikely to do any harm.
As ebola disables the immune system response, and specifically the interferon response (recent PV25 study) before causing cytokine dysregulation, issuing specialist nutrition and / or supplements that have a good evidence base for immune system support (necessary for modulation) may help improve survival rates, and they wont know until they try.
More study is needed to determine if this would be helpful or not, but surely would do no harm and may have considerable psychological value. Such supplements could be provided to isolation and treatment centers and could encourage people who have had contact with ebola patients to come forward for monitoring, isolation (if appropriate) or quarantine.
Shiloh
Editor, Senior Moderator
Re: Report: Armed men attack Liberia Ebola clinic, freeing patients
Getty Photographer Witnesses Attack On Ebola Quarantine Center
August 18, 2014 5:25 AM ET
audio: http://www.npr.org/player/v2/mediaPlayer.html?action=1&t=1&islist=false&id=341283361&m=341283368
Getty Photographer Witnesses Attack On Ebola Quarantine Center
August 18, 2014 5:25 AM ET
audio: http://www.npr.org/player/v2/mediaPlayer.html?action=1&t=1&islist=false&id=341283361&m=341283368
Nika
Well-known member
Re: Report: Armed men attack Liberia Ebola clinic, freeing patients
VICE is an even handed news source? As u can see from the sensationalist video u linked this style of documentary is all about the shock. Perhaps you might want to turn to some alternate reporting from groups like Reuters or McClatchy or AP. Just a thought.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vice_(magazine)
mid-August 2013 Rupert Murdoch's corporation 21st Century Fox invested US$70 million in Vice Media, resulting in a 5 percent stake.
VICE is an even handed news source? As u can see from the sensationalist video u linked this style of documentary is all about the shock. Perhaps you might want to turn to some alternate reporting from groups like Reuters or McClatchy or AP. Just a thought.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vice_(magazine)
mid-August 2013 Rupert Murdoch's corporation 21st Century Fox invested US$70 million in Vice Media, resulting in a 5 percent stake.
Re: Report: Armed men attack Liberia Ebola clinic, freeing patients
Having lived on and off in West Africa for the last twelve years, I can relate to many of the points made the Vice documentary on Liberia. And while it is certainly an opinion piece, I don?t think we can discredit the things it shows regarding the sanitation and hazardous human living conditions in West Point.
If Ebola has a foothold in that slum, I fear we are looking at a massive new focal point for the virus. Mentioned in the documentary, the incredible numbers of people with AIDS and Malaria make for a population that is already immunocompromised and unable to defend against Ebola in the best conditions. Add to that, the resource restrictions that are now being placed on quarantined areas of Liberia, and the propensity for people to turn to human flesh when other meat is unavailable, and the outlook seems grim.
Having lived on and off in West Africa for the last twelve years, I can relate to many of the points made the Vice documentary on Liberia. And while it is certainly an opinion piece, I don?t think we can discredit the things it shows regarding the sanitation and hazardous human living conditions in West Point.
If Ebola has a foothold in that slum, I fear we are looking at a massive new focal point for the virus. Mentioned in the documentary, the incredible numbers of people with AIDS and Malaria make for a population that is already immunocompromised and unable to defend against Ebola in the best conditions. Add to that, the resource restrictions that are now being placed on quarantined areas of Liberia, and the propensity for people to turn to human flesh when other meat is unavailable, and the outlook seems grim.
GardenSpider
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Ebola crisis: Liberia confirms West Point patients missing
Seventeen suspected Ebola patients are "missing" in Liberia after a health centre in the capital was attacked, the government says.
The government had previously denied they were missing, saying all patients had been moved to another facility.
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http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-28841040
Ebola crisis: Liberia confirms West Point patients missing
Seventeen suspected Ebola patients are "missing" in Liberia after a health centre in the capital was attacked, the government says.
The government had previously denied they were missing, saying all patients had been moved to another facility.
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http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-28841040
sharon sanders
Editor-in-Chief & President
Re: Report: Armed men attack Liberia Ebola clinic, freeing patients
Do not make your comments personal. Make your point without targeting anyone on this site.
Do not make your comments personal. Make your point without targeting anyone on this site.
Emily
Editor, Senior Moderator
Re: Report: Armed men attack Liberia Ebola clinic, freeing patients
It seemed even handed enough to be posted here, IMO, Nika. Take a look at this search on Reuters:
http://www.reuters.com/search?blob=liberia+cannibalism
The name Charles Taylor keeps popping up. Now we know why West Africans have a trust problem with America.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/liberia/9021153/Liberian-despot-Charles-Taylor-worked-with-US-intelligence.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/27/world/africa/charles-taylor-sierra-leone-war-crimes-case.html?_r=0
That is likely impacting Ebola control efforts and no wonder.
I was not criticizing Jim or his sources in my last post but just cautioning that it is hard to know what is currently happening in Liberia given the traumatic impact of the past upon people there. Cannibalism and amputations were used to terrify the population and to socially stigmatize and isolate the child soldiers. The topic is even more inflammatory there than here.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/07/26/health-ebola-africa-idUSL6N0Q109720140726
It seemed even handed enough to be posted here, IMO, Nika. Take a look at this search on Reuters:
http://www.reuters.com/search?blob=liberia+cannibalism
The name Charles Taylor keeps popping up. Now we know why West Africans have a trust problem with America.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/liberia/9021153/Liberian-despot-Charles-Taylor-worked-with-US-intelligence.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/27/world/africa/charles-taylor-sierra-leone-war-crimes-case.html?_r=0
That is likely impacting Ebola control efforts and no wonder.
I was not criticizing Jim or his sources in my last post but just cautioning that it is hard to know what is currently happening in Liberia given the traumatic impact of the past upon people there. Cannibalism and amputations were used to terrify the population and to socially stigmatize and isolate the child soldiers. The topic is even more inflammatory there than here.http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/07/26/health-ebola-africa-idUSL6N0Q109720140726
sharon sanders
Editor-in-Chief & President
Re: Report: Armed men attack Liberia Ebola clinic, freeing patients
Thanks Emily. There is nothing wrong with sourcing material. It is usually quite insightful as to any bias. For instance, sometimes I reference whether a source is pro/anti government. Everyone knows China and Saudi Arabia tightly control their media. So all media reports from those countries need to be viewed as a minimal recount of the events.
Thanks Emily. There is nothing wrong with sourcing material. It is usually quite insightful as to any bias. For instance, sometimes I reference whether a source is pro/anti government. Everyone knows China and Saudi Arabia tightly control their media. So all media reports from those countries need to be viewed as a minimal recount of the events.
Emily
Editor, Senior Moderator
Re: Report: Armed men attack Liberia Ebola clinic, freeing patients
Welcome, Sunfish! Your insight will be helpful, I'm sure.
My sense after doing a little reading after viewing the Vice documentary is that it was portraying reality so appreciate the validation. I noticed the journalist's trepidation about wading across that stream and was not surprised since some time ago I met a young volunteer who was dying from an unknown illness acquired in Africa. She had been told by CDC and other health experts to say her goodbyes - there was nothing they could do for her. They did think she had likely been infected with a parasite while crossing a stream at some point.
So Africa is what it is. Maybe you have heard of similar stories?
Welcome, Sunfish! Your insight will be helpful, I'm sure.
My sense after doing a little reading after viewing the Vice documentary is that it was portraying reality so appreciate the validation. I noticed the journalist's trepidation about wading across that stream and was not surprised since some time ago I met a young volunteer who was dying from an unknown illness acquired in Africa. She had been told by CDC and other health experts to say her goodbyes - there was nothing they could do for her. They did think she had likely been infected with a parasite while crossing a stream at some point.So Africa is what it is. Maybe you have heard of similar stories?