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Japan Reports Tamiflu-Resistant H1N1 Influenza Case

Re: Japan Reports Tamiflu-Resistant H1N1 Influenza Case

Clarification and additional information

AFP?s report (or Kyodo news agency?s original report) is wrong in saying that the patient was given Tamiflu since first being diagnosed with A(H1N1).

Based on the media and the official account of the case from the Ministry of Health, the patient (a female in her 40s) was given the drug on May 18 as precautionary administration (one capsule per day for 10 days) to prevent infection from a confirmed patient with whom she had had close contact. So, she was not diagnosed with novel influenza at the time she was given Tamiflu. (She should be at least rapid-tested and the result was certainly negative. It is not stated if her specimen was taken and sent for PCR test then but probably not.)

While she took the drug regularly since then, she had a mild fever from May 24, consulted a fever consultation center on May 28 and was diagnosed with novel flu on May 29. Then she was given Relenza and recovered by the end of the month.

Somebody suspected Tamiflu-resistance from the fact that she contracted novel influenza despite of the precautionary Tamiflu and her specimen was sent for further investigation including gene sequence analysis in which the Tamiflu-resistant virus was found on June 18.

On the other hand, a specimen taken from the original patient with whom she had close contact and by whom she was probably infected with novel flu was also sent for further analysis (probably after the discovery of the Tamiflu-resistant virus) but no mutation was found from the original patient?s virus.

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Osaka prefecture apologized for not disclosing the discovery for two weeks. The prefecture explained it was conducting further investigation to confirm Tamiflu-resistance before a public announcement.
The Ministry of health was informed of the discovery of Tamiflu-resistance on July 1 by Osaka prefecture and advised the prefecture to publicize it immediately.

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Re: Japan Reports Tamiflu-Resistant H1N1 Influenza Case

> Osaka prefecture apologized for not disclosing the discovery
> for two weeks. The prefecture explained it was conducting
> further investigation to confirm Tamiflu-resistance before
> a public announcement.

what's the advantage of doing "further investigation" before
public announcement ?
They are afraid that others might do the same investigation
and come up with a result before they do ?
Scientific competition ?

We must change the system, so this delaying strategy
becomes less desirable.
 
Re: Japan Reports Tamiflu-Resistant H1N1 Influenza Case

> Osaka prefecture apologized for not disclosing the discovery
> for two weeks. The prefecture explained it was conducting
> further investigation to confirm Tamiflu-resistance before
> a public announcement.

what's the advantage of doing "further investigation" before
public announcement ?
They are afraid that others might do the same investigation
and come up with a result before they do ?
Scientific competition ?

We must change the system, so this delaying strategy
becomes less desirable.
The delay was for accuracy.
 
Re: Japan Reports Tamiflu-Resistant H1N1 Influenza Case

> Osaka prefecture apologized for not disclosing the discovery
> for two weeks. The prefecture explained it was conducting
> further investigation to confirm Tamiflu-resistance before
> a public announcement.

what's the advantage of doing "further investigation" before
public announcement ?
They are afraid that others might do the same investigation
and come up with a result before they do ?
Scientific competition ?

We must change the system, so this delaying strategy
becomes less desirable.

The Japanese are a very precise, responsible and conservative people.

A two week delay to confirm the original findings by repeating the sequencing probably more than once and obtaining a consensus among their leading flu scientists is entirely appropriate IMO.

In fact, it appears to me that they reported this finding much sooner than did the Danish authorities. For this they deserve our applause not criticism.

GW
 
Re: Japan Reports Tamiflu-Resistant H1N1 Influenza Case

preliminary data needn't be so accurate.
Mark it as "draft" or such.

This is like reporting about a war only after it's over.
For accuracy.
 
Re: Japan Reports Tamiflu-Resistant H1N1 Influenza Case

#21: to prevent infection from a confirmed patient with whom she had had close contact. So, she was not diagnosed with novel influenza at the time she was given Tamiflu. (She should be at least rapid-tested and the result was certainly negative. It is not stated if her specimen was taken and sent for PCR test then but probably not.)
...
Somebody suspected Tamiflu-resistance from the fact that she contracted novel influenza despite of the precautionary Tamiflu and her specimen was sent for further investigation including gene sequence analysis in which the Tamiflu-resistant virus was found"



Apart the wide sample checkings, now, after few resistance cases confirmed, we can probably assume that there are worldwide many more such situations, but are not detected, because probably there weren't conducted further checkings by the above cited sequencing.

So, as an alternate option, it will be probably good that Roche/... now change the guideliness for Tamiflu prevention somministration to the same dosage as for treatment purposes, so maybe the wide resistance appearance could be slowed until vaccines appears.

If the patients on Tamiflu profilactic dose could take 1 pil a day even if maybe without the illness, they could probably take it twice a day (treatment dose) without more health repercusions.
 
Re: Hong Kong: Detection of human swine influenza virus resistant to Tamiflu (7/3/09)

Re: Hong Kong: Detection of human swine influenza virus resistant to Tamiflu (7/3/09)

More cockroaches. They seem to be pretty widespread now or at least they are being reported now.

GW
 
Re: Japan Reports Tamiflu-Resistant H1N1 Influenza Case

Yes Tropical, I agree, there are probably many more cockroaches out there. We have them confirmed now in Denmark, Japan, Washington State, USA, and Hong Kong. Three contenients in three days. I think that qualifies as widespread in anyone's book.

We can argue if the 274 came about in people treated with tamiflu or whether they contracted it with the 274 polymorphism already present meaning the novel strain with this change was fit.

IMO, while we can spend our time debating these points the fact that so many examples of the novel strain have been detected with tamiflu resistance suggests to me that if it is not fit now with this change it is only a matter of time before it will be.

My read? Tamiflu is toast by the fall. We better use our tamiflu now or lose it. The US send 450,000 courses to the southern American hemisphere yesterday. Why not send a whole lot more and soon before it becomes worthless.

GW
 
Re: Hong Kong: Detection of human swine influenza virus resistant to Tamiflu (7/3/09)

Re: Hong Kong: Detection of human swine influenza virus resistant to Tamiflu (7/3/09)

cockroaches ?

HSI, another name. One name for each country/researcher.

2 weeks
 
Re: Hong Kong: Detection of human swine influenza virus resistant to Tamiflu (7/3/09)

Re: Hong Kong: Detection of human swine influenza virus resistant to Tamiflu (7/3/09)

> She was tested positive to HSI but opted not to take tamiflu
 
Re: Japan Reports Tamiflu-Resistant H1N1 Influenza Case

I agree G.W.

Seems that this bug will elude in advance the large scale small remaining possibilities to cure it.

The scenario point to be subsequently an ancient-like one.

Yes Tropical, I agree, there are probably many more cockroaches out there. We have them confirmed now in Denmark, Japan, Washington State, USA, and Hong Kong. Three contenients in three days. I think that qualifies as widespread in anyone's book.

We can argue if the 274 came about in people treated with tamiflu or whether they contracted it with the 274 polymorphism already present meaning the novel strain with this change was fit.

IMO, while we can spend our time debating these points the fact that so many examples of the novel strain have been detected with tamiflu resistance suggests to me that if it is not fit now with this change it is only a matter of time before it will be.

My read? Tamiflu is toast by the fall. We better use our tamiflu now or lose it. The US send 450,000 courses to the southern American hemisphere yesterday. Why not send a whole lot more and soon before it becomes worthless.

GW
 
Re: Japan Reports Tamiflu-Resistant H1N1 Influenza Case

Yes Tropical, I agree, there are probably many more cockroaches out there. We have them confirmed now in Denmark, Japan, Washington State, USA, and Hong Kong. Three contenients in three days. I think that qualifies as widespread in anyone's book.


GW

Washington State, USA, and Hong Kong are in seasonal H1N1 , not the novel H1N1 ?
 
Re: Hong Kong: Detection of human swine influenza virus resistant to Tamiflu (7/3/09)

Re: Hong Kong: Detection of human swine influenza virus resistant to Tamiflu (7/3/09)

More cockroaches. They seem to be pretty widespread now or at least they are being reported now.

GW
Cockroach in Hong Kong has (long) legs.
 
Re: Japan Reports Tamiflu-Resistant H1N1 Influenza Case

Posted by Chyna on another thread;

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re the Japanese case not responding to Tamiflu..it's my understanding the patient declined to take Tamiflu, and it is only lab testing of the virus that suggested resistance, not that the case didn't respond. I presume the patient didn't feel ill enough to want the Tamiflu, which would only have shortened the duration of her symptoms by a day, and may have been too late to even do that
 
Re: Japan Reports Tamiflu-Resistant H1N1 Influenza Case

Washington State, USA, and Hong Kong are in seasonal H1N1 , not the novel H1N1 ?
The Washington state post was of seaosnal flu. No one has claim the Washington state isoalte was pandemic flu. However, Hong kong is pandemic flu and patient has asymptomatic/mild case and was never treated with Tamiflu, but had resistance, which was H274Y (although not stated as H274Y). Moreover, since the patient arrived on a direct flight from San Francisco, Tamiflu resistant pandemic flu is also circulating in California.
 
Re: Japan Reports Tamiflu-Resistant H1N1 Influenza Case

Posted by Chyna on another thread;

Seems there is a mix-up. Chyna is probably talking about the hong kong case, not the japanese case.

If not, I'd like to know the source of the information.

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Re: Japan Reports Tamiflu-Resistant H1N1 Influenza Case

Seems there is a mix-up. Chyna is probably talking about the hong kong case, not the japanese case.

If not, I'd like to know the source of the information.

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Agree. Three cases in one week creates confusion.
 
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