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Ivermectin - A useful treatment for COVID-19 coronavirus? Some discussion and studies...

Vibrant62

Senior Moderator
I found this recent review on ivermectin data, which looks interesting and appears to have some very positive data behind it, albeit a lot of it is pre full publication.. However, I suspect that as it is a generic and not licensed or produced in some countries e.g. the UK for any indication that this may get overlooked as it will be of little interest to the mainstream Pharma sector.

See https://covid19criticalcare.com/wp-c...IN-Summary.pdf

There needs to be some high quality trials undertaken very rapidly to take a proper look at this compound, but I am not able to determine if there are any of a suitable design, size or quality underway. What do we think? We do still need compounds that will fill the gap around vaccines (limitations in production capacity and roll outs), especially if (as per gsgs' post above) we get a rapid vaccine escape.
 
I found this recent review on ivermectin data, which looks interesting and appears to have some very positive data behind it, albeit a lot of it is pre full publication.. However, I suspect that as it is a generic and not licensed or produced in some countries e.g. the UK for any indication that this may get overlooked as it will be of little interest to the mainstream Pharma sector.

See https://covid19criticalcare.com/wp-c...IN-Summary.pdf

There needs to be some high quality trials undertaken very rapidly to take a proper look at this compound, but I am not able to determine if there are any of a suitable design, size or quality underway. What do we think? We do still need compounds that will fill the gap around vaccines (limitations in production capacity and roll outs), especially if (as per gsgs' post above) we get a rapid vaccine escape.

Please see:


J Control Release . Ivermectin: An award-winning drug with antiviral expectations against COVID-19

Avicenna J Med Biotechnol . Effective Anti-SARS-CoV-2 RNA Dependent RNA Polymerase Drugs Based on Docking Methods: The Case of Milbemycin, Ivermectin, and Baloxavir Marboxil

J Cell Physiol . Quantitative proteomics reveals a broad-spectrum antiviral property of ivermectin, benefiting for COVID-19 treatment

Ann Clin Microbiol Antimicrob Ivermectin, a New Candidate Therapeutic Against SARS-CoV-2/COVID-19
 
Thanks Vibrant62. I copied your two posts from the discussion thread to start this one. Thanks tetano for all of your work in the Scientific Library. I listed a few of the Ivermectin studies above.

Ivermectin? I have no idea if it works but we should discuss it. Hopefully I do not get bashed like I did when I opened a thread on hydroxychloroquine. We investigate everything here. Pros and cons. There is an informative value in this pursuit.

We do not do cancel culture on this site.
 
Since I live in Florida all of my dogs since 1984 have been on heart worm preventative their entire lives. I believe the medicine prescribed has been mostly ivermectin. One small breed dog lived until 17 years old. A large breed dog died at 12. Another large breed died in her teens of old age - I forget her exact age at death. I have two dogs now both on heartworm preventative. No problems that I know of. These are not humans, but they are mammals.

(they think they are humans, however)
 
This medic has made a highly impassioned plea at a US senate hearing for his working groups data to be examined here - he certainly sounds sincere, and as he said, his working group has collectively authored over 2000 peer reviewed and published studies in their careers to date, so they do have both reputations and experience.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tq8S...P34PLyWa2iSR1c

The document he is referring to (I think) is presented here and contains an overview of key findings of a number of studies including RCTs) https://osf.io/wx3zn/

The referenced studies have issues - many are pre-print but they are (mostly) randomised controlled trials of a reasonable size. At the very least this looks like it warrants a definitive international RCT, and let us hope that a major journal expedites peer review of the paper his group has authored. The problem here is that as Ivermectin is a generic, no large pharmaceutical company will fund it or push for it (the opposite is much more likely). As such, any such drive will have to be put in place by medics themselves and/or driven by media and press coverage - unless perhaps a very large generic company might be prepared to get behind this, if one of a big enough size exists? The UK does not even have an EUA in place so any move towards larger trials would have to be led from the top downwards e.g. EMEA, the WHO or regulatory authorities who are not unduly influenced by big Pharma. Even research centres are particularly sensitive to influence as in normal times it is Pharma who funds their research, but in these exceptional times I would hope this is not the case.

I am most concerned that there is no Plan B - if the vaccine runs into major issues, or the virus evolves away from the vaccine i.e no longer provokes sterilising antibodies, we will have problems for some years and even IF the vaccine companies were able to manufacture the quantities needed in the timescales needed (it will be at least 2022/2023 before current demand is met), we will all be back to square one whilst they address the problems.

There look to be some promising treatments for the most severe hospitalised patients but as of now there is nothing for GPs / primary care to give to patients to help them unless cases are so severe they require hospitalisation. As the threat and impacts of long covid become increasingly apparent this is critically important for health and economies to get on top of, and novel and expensive therapies will not be affordable or producible at sufficient scale, even in the richest countries e.g.monoclonal antibodies, vaccines and remdesivir (which I would argue has minimal benefit and high toxicity). For these reasons alone it has to be worth some time, money and effort to determine if these findings and data on ivermectin for the prophylaxis and post exposure prophylaxis stand the test of larger scale international study/ studies.

At best, it could help to bridge the gap between widespread vaccine availability for entire populations and save lives and reduce the numbers with long covid, at worst it could act as insurance in the event of a significant vaccine escape, or some other major issue emerging with the vaccines e.g. ADE or other longer term side effects - the occurrence of any of these would set the world back at least a year if not longer in its road to economic recovery.
 
Ivermectin can be very toxic to some breeds or mixed breed dogs.

https://www.petmd.com/dog/conditions...ectin_toxicity

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/...2002.tb01611.x


The genetics of susceptible collies and a possible similar condition in rare cases of human toxicity discussed here:
http://www.academia.edu/download/391...c639000000.pdf
(Or try this to get the PDF) https://scholar.google.com/scholar?...d/39190620/00b7d51f3f4653c639000000.pdf&btnG=
Ivermectin 20 years on: maturation of a wonder drug
TG Geary - Trends in parasitology, 2005

Here is Dr. Kory's group's website.
https://covid19criticalcare.com/

Dr. Been talks about ivermectin here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17_U4RPOvqE
 
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Good to know there is a test for dogs. I had a herding breed dog in the past so that's why I knew about this. Fortunately I didn't find out the hard way. He also had the atypical reaction to acepromazine. That was scary.
The genetics in humans should be rarer since we're more diverse right now.
 
Doing some more digging... and countries such as India and Brazil are using ivermectin widely in patients as part of standard intervention protocols, and these countries have established and reputable research centres. Due to lower costs these centres are widely used as 'test countries' for studying new drugs and interventions by pharmaceutical companies as part of novel drug development, so studies from these centres cannot be discounted - to do so they would also have to discount much data generated to support the sales and marketing of many currently marketed pharmaceuticals.

As such, it is probable that large scale studies and RCTs may well emerge from these countries fairly soon, and if these are highly positive (as the data published so far indicates might be the case), then there will rightly be questions to be asked as to why leading western countries did not properly evaluate this intervention in an appropriate timescale - we need to remember that we are talking about saving lives here, as well as economies and people's livelihoods. The only way we can evaluate human ADR and efficacy profiles is with RCT studies of sufficient size, with interventions delivered in appropriate doses, delivered at different times and with robust study designs. If these low cost, generic and repurposed drugs are ignored in favour of novel high cost interventions due to pharmaceutical lobbying and these interventions are subsequently proven to be positive in these countries, then the backlash against both the US and EU/UK regulatory institutions as well as the pharmaceutical companies will be severe IMHO.
 
Do you think the genetic vulnerability could be more common in humans, Bertrand? If the use isn't widespread in Europe and N. America maybe the risk is there and we don't know it. Certainly we see people are different in how they react to medications. I always thought it was due to how the liver handled toxins, but now I see it is a lot more complex.
I agree that 'test before you treat' should be more common in humans.
 
Thanks Emily. What I am also finding especially alarming in all this is the horrible politicisation of medicine and science across the board. Properly conducted scientific data has to be allowed to speak for itself, and stand up to unbiased scrutiny. Its why I am generally tending to post links directly to clinical papers these days rather than news reports in discussions.
 
ivermectin is very widely used in human populations where parasitic infections are an issue, so it has a long and fairly well established track record for ADRs/ safety in humans at dosage recommended for these infections. What human trials in Covid would need to establish is the ADR profile at the dosages recommended in various treatment protocols for prophylaxis or post exposure prophylaxis. This is why we need further study. Of the protocols I have seen it is used either in a one off dosage as for parasitic infections, or some human protocols I have seen use it with 2 doses on concurrent days. The ADR profile for humans can be found here https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/art...other-warnings.
 
If these low cost, generic and repurposed drugs are ignored in favour of novel high cost interventions due to pharmaceutical lobbying and these interventions are subsequently proven to be positive in these countries, then the backlash against both the US and EU/UK regulatory institutions as well as the pharmaceutical companies will be severe IMHO.

I agree.
 
@emily: I have used this pest control for animals roaming free in the forest for long periods. Its disadvantage is its elimination in the stool and therefore its nuisance on soil fauna. On the other hand, studies on the microbiota have shown the link between the presence of parasite and better quality of the human and / or animal microbiome.

We are dealing with a syndemia and the microbiota should be regarded as an organ, to judge the actions of such and such a molecule ... It requires interdisciplinary teams with a high level, but that does not seem to me to exist?
I know its use on large populations for this one or the following:
http://pharmtox.free.fr/toxicologie/TD/Dest_Nuis&Insect_BV/avermectine.htm
These strange viruses destabilize many structures and must induce real reflection, because science does not shine.

In any case, for the vitamin D file, not having a quality card seems to be asking the real question ...

I don't have the data for the genetic sensitivity of humans. I have dreamed of accessing real data bases for a long time ...
 
Interesting interview with Dr. Borody on Sky News Australia (inventor of triple therapy for H Pyori eradication) re: Ivermectin triple therapy. Please note that the video interview dates back to August 2020.

His therapy combination includes Ivermectin, doxycycline and zinc combination (for which he has carried out pilot trials in the US), and he is calling for more rigorous RCTs, but has met fierce opposition from regulators.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93jI...Tv6VIudL3x4oKE
 
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