Impact of 5 percent mortality

[Niko]

Re: Impact of 5 percent mortality

many of them impoverished recent immigrants...
this is racism, sorry, where someone was born is not important in this discussion

I disagree. While I may have used "immigrants" as part of the discussion, I would have refrained from using it multiple times. I don't think the point was where they were born. It is not racist to state that a portion of the population are recent immigrants and/or impoverished. It is simple fact and is one of many issues that should be addressed by hospital pandemic planners, the "government" and the population at large.

 

[zimagail]

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the multiple use was the problem, racism is sometimes subtle.

 

[Laidback Al]

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I have slightly edited peter m's post to reflect the concern of the overrunning of hospital facilities. The ethnic composition, the socioeconomic status, or the geographic origin of the people overrunning the health care facilities is irrelevant if we have a more virulent or high CFR wave in the fall in the northern hemisphere.

 

[Niko]

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the multiple use was the problem, racism is sometimes subtle.

While it did not offend me, I can understand that some may be offended.

In search of some pertainent facts about L.A. for background, I found this from an "non-partisan" think tank:

Over half of unauthorized adults and a quarter of children in unauthorized families lack health insurance coverage in California, and even higher shares of the unauthorized are uninsured in Los Angeles. In 2004 in California, unauthorized adults were almost four times as likely as U.S.-born adults to lack health insurance coverage (53 versus 14 percent), and children with unauthorized parents were almost three times as likely as those with U.S.-born parents to lack coverage (26 versus 9 percent). However, children of unauthorized immigrants in California were less likely to lack insurance than nationally (26 versus 35 percent). In fact, among children who were themselves unauthorized?and therefore ineligible for federal- or state-funded coverage?the uninsured share actually fell in California (from 49 to 32 percent) and in Los Angeles (from 58 to 44 percent) between 2000 and 2004. These findings strongly support the efforts of Los Angeles and other California counties to provide universal coverage to low-income children regardless of their legal status, and show that these county programs are beginning to have an impact on insurance coverage in unauthorized families.

http://www.urban.org/publications/411425.html

I think it is fair to say that all hospitals will be overwhelmed in the case of a high CAR pandemic, especially those with large numbers of immigrant and/or poor and/or uninsured populations.

 

[colormyquilt]

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Thank you, peter m, for your post.

The following,

" The problem is that the educated folks,such as on this board, are a minority few."

, begs the question, upon what do you base this statement? Without facts, this is a supposition.

In 1918, driven by passion, a desire to find answers, and with the intent to "stop that which proved to be non-stoppable", many worked against the clock in hopes of decreasing the morbidity and the mortality. Some of these died of the disease they were chasing. Even more died providing direct care for those with the disease.

Added to this were so many extraneous issues, often beyond their control, that these individuals had to face, that had to be factored in.

As then, so today. Shortage of health care workers? Yes. Shortage of hospitals? Yes. Shortage of meds? Vaccines? Yes.

Yet, there is still time... perhaps a little time... we will have ourselves... and our neighbors... this is valuable information to have. What we know others cannot do for us, we know we must do for ourselves.

 

[Laidback Al]

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. . . I think it is fair to say that all hospitals will be overwhelmed in the case of a high CAR pandemic, especially those with large numbers of immigrant and/or poor and/or uninsured populations.

Here is what I would write modifying Niko's words. . .

"I think it is fair to say that all hospitals will be overwhelmed in the case of a high CAR pandemic, irrespective of the numbers of immigrant and/or poor and/or uninsured populations that live in the local area."

 

[Niko]

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Here is what I would write modifying Niko's words. . .

"I think it is fair to say that all hospitals will be overwhelmed in the case of a high CAR pandemic, irrespective of the numbers of immigrant and/or poor and/or uninsured populations that live in the local area."

Explains why I'd make a lousy politician. Sorry for the thread drift.

 

[AlaskaDenise]

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..........concerned about the potential ethical dilemma medical professionals will be faced with. ......... Medical professionals will have to triage and make life-and-death decisions for people that, under normal circumstances, could be saved.

It's my understanding that in times of shortages, resources go to those most likely to live (with application of the resource). Within those parameters, there will still be tough decisions.

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