H5N1 in Domestic Ducks in Bavaria

[Gert van der Hoek]

Re: H5N1 in Domestic Ducks in Bavaria

Bird-flu found in German frozen ducks - were any eaten?

Berlin - Ducks infected with the H5N1 bird-flu virus might have been eaten by unsuspecting Germans, but would not have infected anyone once the meat was roasted, a state health official said Monday. He spoke after more than a third of a million ducks had been slaughtered at poultry farms and incinerated to curb an outbreak of the disease 140 kilometres north of Munich, in Germany's Bavaria state.

H5N1 avian influenza had been found in 18 deep-frozen ducks set aside as batch samples at a poultry-company slaughterhouse.

In Germany's biggest-ever animal-health cull, a total of 365,000 ducks were being destroyed in the small towns of Wachenroth and Schwandorf. The killing was set to be completed by Monday night.

Asked if infected meat from the Wachenroth butchery could have reached shops, Roland Eichhorn of the Bavarian consumer affairs ministry said, "We can't completely exclude that."

But he said that commerce officials moved after the first sign of the outbreak and impounded all meat produced at the farms on or after July 30. Federal animal-health scientists believed the outbreak began August 1.

"This type of duck is casseroled, and then the meat poses no danger to the consumer," Eichhorn said.

Pro-animal groups voiced rage at the cull, and said poultry farms should be made illegal.

Water birds are especially susceptible to the H5N1 virus, which can be fatal to humans. The fight against its spread is driven by the fear that the virus could mutate and possibly cause massive loss of human life worldwide.

http://www.earthtimes.org/articles/show/105026.html

 

[gsgs]

Re: H5N1 in Domestic Ducks in Bavaria

apparantly there was confusion, because H5N1 was only found in frozen
ducks, which doesn't formally count as outbreak.
I speculate that they routinely store a sample from each production-series
for later proof in eventual trials and these were infected.
But they were hesitant to say this earlier, because of consumer-reaction.
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From Wachenroth [frozen?] infected ducks may have come to the trading markets
according to consumer-protection ministry, Roland Eichhorn[FaZ)

according to the Bavarian ministry for surroundings
H5N1 had been found in samples from both farms.[Aerztezeitung]

20 farms had been examined but only in Nittenau und Bruck [apparantly]was H5N1-found[raiffeisen.com]

on 30. July all duck-products were ordered back, said Eichhorn.
FLI assumes the 1st possible date of infection was August 1st.
Among others H5N1 was discovered in 18 frozen ducks in withheld test-samples[In-online]

H5N1 was found in frozen ducks on the 2 farms, but legally that doesn't count as outbreak.
bayerischen Verbraucherschutzministeriums [ad-hoc-news]



Die Notschlachtung von 205 000 Enten in der Oberpfalz ist eine reine Vorsichtsmaßnahme zur Bekämpfung der Vogelgrippe. In den beiden betroffenen Betrieben in Hofing und Trumling ist entgegen anderslautenden Informationen des bayerischen Umweltministeriums nicht der hochpathogene H5N1-Virus gefunden worden. Nach Angaben des Landratsamtes Schwandorf und der Betreiberfirma vom Sonntagabend werden die Bestände nur vernichtet, weil die Betriebe Kontakt zu einem Unternehmen im mittelfränkischen Wachenroth hätten, in dem der Erreger der Vogelgrippe festgestellt worden war.[ad-hoc,earlier]

 

[hawkeye]

Re: H5N1 in Domestic Ducks in Bavaria

Bird-flu found in German frozen ducks - were any eaten?

Ducks infected with the H5N1 bird-flu virus might have been eaten by unsuspecting Germans, but would not have infected anyone once the meat was roasted, a state health official said Monday.

He spoke after more than a third of a million ducks had been slaughtered at poultry farms and incinerated to curb an outbreak of the disease 140 kilometres north of Munich, in Germany's Bavaria state.

H5N1 avian influenza had been found in 18 deep-frozen ducks set aside as batch samples at a poultry-company slaughterhouse.

In Germany's biggest-ever animal-health cull, a total of 365,000 ducks were being destroyed in the small towns of Wachenroth and Schwandorf. The killing was set to be completed by Monday night.

Asked if infected meat from the Wachenroth butchery could have reached shops, Roland Eichhorn of the Bavarian consumer affairs ministry said, "We can't completely exclude that."

But he said that commerce officials moved after the first sign of the outbreak and impounded all meat produced at the farms on or after July 30. Federal animal-health scientists believed the outbreak began August 1.

"This type of duck is casseroled, and then the meat poses no danger to the consumer," Eichhorn said.

Pro-animal groups voiced rage at the cull, and said poultry farms should be made illegal.

Water birds are especially susceptible to the H5N1 virus, which can be fatal to humans. The fight against its spread is driven by the fear that the virus could mutate and possibly cause massive loss of human life worldwide. dpa jbp ch

 

[gsgs]

Re: H5N1 in Domestic Ducks in Bavaria

http://www.ad-hoc-news.de/Politik-News/de/13202547/

H5N1,yes . Bird flu, no (or such)

The complicated bird flu - legal pitfalls and difficult definitions while handling the poultry epidemic -- of ddp-correspondent Ulrich Meyer -- The bird flu does not only prove as danger for the poultry economy and as possibly deadly for the animals concerned as well as in exceptional cases even to humans. It is also a rather complicated legal problem. Because, even if in birds from an enterprise the type of virus H5N1 were proven, that does not mean that the bird flu already broke out there. "is difficult a little", granted also the spokeswoman of the Friedrich Loeffler institute (FLI) of the federation, Elke Reinking, on Monday in the strip packing discussion. Institut on the Baltic Sea island Riems is the highest scientific instance in things bird flu, the so-called German reference laboratory. Riems/Muenchen (strip packing bay). . It begins already with the definition, which bird flu is actually. In the linguistic usage it became generally accepted that with the find of H5N1 von Vogelgrippe it is spoken - no matter whether hochpathogen or niedrigpathogen. The experts of the FLI are not lucky over it, it however in the meantime accepted, as Reinking said. The niedrigpathogene variant is first however no large problem. Neither for the infected birds, nor for poultry enterprises. "one can perhaps compare it with the difference between a normal cold with humans and the genuine influenza. Even if the comparison a little limps ", said to Reinking. However the ill-making hochpathogene variant can result from this niedrigpathogenen variant from the high mutation rate of the virus in utilizable poultry. The birds concerned survive an infection with the niedrigpathogenen H5N1 usually problem-free. At the hochpathogenen variant they die however rather fast. However there are here also still differences between different kinds of bird. While chickens and Puten are very sensitive, ducks show themselves as more durable and survive in larger number. That makes the proof of the actual outbreak also difficult. The spokeswoman of the Bavarian environmental protection Ministry, Sandra Brandt, describes it drastically: "outbreak is called so far: The animals fall down dead." After the German epidemic right there are three conditions, on whose basis the toetung may be officially arranged by poultry. The lowest stage: An enterprise has contact to another enterprise, in which the outbreak of the hochpathogenen H5N1-Virus was officially confirmed. Then the animals can be emergency-slaughtered purely caution for the sake of, in order to go safe. "Kontaktbestandskeulung" is called in the authority German. With the second stage the diagnosis is enough on niedrigpathogenes H5N1. The third stage occurs, if the outbreak of the hochpathogenen H5N1-Virustyps is officially confirmed. There are exceptions however for example of already normally slaughtered animals from an enterprise, in which then with a later investigation the hochpathogene H5N1-Typ one determines. Although it is clear that they came from the enterprise, it infected with it automatically is not considered as with bird flu. "the definition of an outbreak in the poultry plague regulation covers such a case not off", said FLI spokeswoman Reinking. For the operators of the poultry enterprises the gradation from legal view is very important. Only with the officially explained outbreak of the hochpathogenen bird flu in the radius the enterprise concerned by three kilometers a prohibited area is established around. All utilizable poultry in the zone may not be transported for 21 days. Also meat products, feathers/springs and eggs may not leave the zone. In addition the enterprise concerned may be filled up not immediately after the toetung of its existence and disinfecting the stables again with new animals - a point important in financial regard. Over all still the aspect of a possible danger for humans floats with the bird flu in addition. In Asia humans were infected over the close contact to infected poultry. The World Health Organization lists at present world-wide 328 announced infections, from which 200 ran deadly. Experts fear now the fact that the hochpathogene H5N1-Typ could develop itself further and then even from humans to humans will transfer the illness could. If this happens, must in opinion of the scientists on million dead ones in the whole world be counted - a so-called flu Pandemie. Against the new form of the superflu there is first no vaccine. Therefore the fight against the bird flu and the toetung of hundredthousands animals on suspicion are always also a precautionary measure for the protection of the people ddp/ume/pon

 

[HenryN]

Re: H5N1 in Domestic Ducks in Bavaria

http://www.ad-hoc-news.de/Politik-News/de/13202547/

H5N1,yes . Bird flu, no (or such)

The complicated bird flu - legal pitfalls and difficult definitions while handling the poultry epidemic -- of ddp-correspondent Ulrich Meyer -- The bird flu does not only prove as danger for the poultry economy and as possibly deadly for the animals concerned as well as in exceptional cases even to humans. It is also a rather complicated legal problem. Because, even if in birds from an enterprise the type of virus H5N1 were proven, that does not mean that the bird flu already broke out there. "is difficult a little", granted also the spokeswoman of the Friedrich Loeffler institute (FLI) of the federation, Elke Reinking, on Monday in the strip packing discussion. Institut on the Baltic Sea island Riems is the highest scientific instance in things bird flu, the so-called German reference laboratory. Riems/Muenchen (strip packing bay). . It begins already with the definition, which bird flu is actually. In the linguistic usage it became generally accepted that with the find of H5N1 von Vogelgrippe it is spoken - no matter whether hochpathogen or niedrigpathogen. The experts of the FLI are not lucky over it, it however in the meantime accepted, as Reinking said. The niedrigpathogene variant is first however no large problem. Neither for the infected birds, nor for poultry enterprises. "one can perhaps compare it with the difference between a normal cold with humans and the genuine influenza. Even if the comparison a little limps ", said to Reinking. However the ill-making hochpathogene variant can result from this niedrigpathogenen variant from the high mutation rate of the virus in utilizable poultry. The birds concerned survive an infection with the niedrigpathogenen H5N1 usually problem-free. At the hochpathogenen variant they die however rather fast. However there are here also still differences between different kinds of bird. While chickens and Puten are very sensitive, ducks show themselves as more durable and survive in larger number. That makes the proof of the actual outbreak also difficult. The spokeswoman of the Bavarian environmental protection Ministry, Sandra Brandt, describes it drastically: "outbreak is called so far: The animals fall down dead." After the German epidemic right there are three conditions, on whose basis the toetung may be officially arranged by poultry. The lowest stage: An enterprise has contact to another enterprise, in which the outbreak of the hochpathogenen H5N1-Virus was officially confirmed. Then the animals can be emergency-slaughtered purely caution for the sake of, in order to go safe. "Kontaktbestandskeulung" is called in the authority German. With the second stage the diagnosis is enough on niedrigpathogenes H5N1. The third stage occurs, if the outbreak of the hochpathogenen H5N1-Virustyps is officially confirmed. There are exceptions however for example of already normally slaughtered animals from an enterprise, in which then with a later investigation the hochpathogene H5N1-Typ one determines. Although it is clear that they came from the enterprise, it infected with it automatically is not considered as with bird flu. "the definition of an outbreak in the poultry plague regulation covers such a case not off", said FLI spokeswoman Reinking. For the operators of the poultry enterprises the gradation from legal view is very important. Only with the officially explained outbreak of the hochpathogenen bird flu in the radius the enterprise concerned by three kilometers a prohibited area is established around. All utilizable poultry in the zone may not be transported for 21 days. Also meat products, feathers/springs and eggs may not leave the zone. In addition the enterprise concerned may be filled up not immediately after the toetung of its existence and disinfecting the stables again with new animals - a point important in financial regard. Over all still the aspect of a possible danger for humans floats with the bird flu in addition. In Asia humans were infected over the close contact to infected poultry. The World Health Organization lists at present world-wide 328 announced infections, from which 200 ran deadly. Experts fear now the fact that the hochpathogene H5N1-Typ could develop itself further and then even from humans to humans will transfer the illness could. If this happens, must in opinion of the scientists on million dead ones in the whole world be counted - a so-called flu Pandemie. Against the new form of the superflu there is first no vaccine. Therefore the fight against the bird flu and the toetung of hundredthousands animals on suspicion are always also a precautionary measure for the protection of the people ddp/ume/pon

High path (Qinghai) H5N1 has been confirmed.

 

[HenryN]

Re: H5N1 in Domestic Ducks in Bavaria

Bird flu officially broken out - district administration office confirms find of hochpathogenem H5N1 in two Oberpfaelzer duck mast enterprises -- of Ulrich Meyer -- The bird flu suspicion in the Bavarian district swan village was confirmed. District administration office speaker Franz pepper said on Monday evening: "an outbreak of the bird flu was determined, we to have no longer only one suspicion." Therefore Friedrich Loeffler Friedrich-Loeffler-Institut of the federation in further investigations of samples of ducks from two enterprises in Trumling and Hofing identified the hochpathogene virus H5N1 clearly. Now around the yards concerned a prohibited area is furnished approximately by three kilometers of radius. Swan village (strip packing). The bird flu suspicion in the Bavarian district swan village was confirmed. District administration office speaker Franz pepper said on Monday evening: "an outbreak of the bird flu was determined, we to have no longer only one suspicion." Therefore Friedrich Loeffler Friedrich-Loeffler-Institut of the federation in further investigations of samples of ducks from two enterprises in Trumling and Hofing identified the hochpathogene virus H5N1 clearly. Now around the yards concerned a prohibited area is furnished approximately by three kilometers of radius. The already as a precaution arranged toetung that approximately 205,000 ducks from the two enterprises is meanwhile nearly final. Pepper said, it counted on the fact that the action to 22,00 o'clock can be terminated. It had been officially arranged because of contacts of the enterprises to a sister enterprise in the Middle Franconian Wachenroth, already infected with the bird flu. Now also the two Oberpfaelzer of enterprises are considered officially as with the high-sticking on bird flu infected. In the restricted area may be transported now for 21 days no utilizable poultry. Also meat products, feathers/springs and eggs may not leave the zone. It applies a stable obligation to all poultry. In addition the enterprises directly by the bird flu concerned may be occupied not immediately after the toetung of the existence again with new animals. Besides an observation range by approximately 10 kilometers and a control zone of approximately 13 kilometers are furnished. Here poultry enterprises holding is subject to special controls. The goods traffic of and to these enterprises is reglementiert. The district administration office swan village stressed, by the outbreak of the poultry plague arises no danger for the population. It concerns an animal epidemic. The authority furnished a citizen telephone. Under 09431/471 499 among other things information can be called up for the spatial expansion of the closing and monitoring areas. (sources: District administration office in report; Pepper on strip packing-inquires) ddp/ume/jas
http://www.ad-hoc-news.de/Politik-N...enfassung)-Vogelgrippe-offiziell-ausgebrochen-

 

[HenryN]

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Bird flu in the district swan village broken out Bruck/Nittenau. The district administration office swan village now communicated that the results of the further investigations do not leave a doubt about it that the samples taken in the district contain the hochpatogenen H5N1-Erreger. Thus the poultry plague broke out nevertheless there now. The consequence: Approximately around the outbreak ranges a restricted area is furnished of 3 km. In this area immediately a comprehensive stable obligation applies to all poultry. Dogs and cats are not so far affected by the restrictions. In addition an observation range by 10 km and a control zone of approximately 13 km are furnished. The Keulungsmassnahme continues today and should be presumably to 22 o'clock final. At the district administration office swan village gives it immediately a citizen telephone. Under the number 09431/ 471-499 you get all important information to the topic.

http://www.kanal8.de/default.aspx?ID=2908&showNews=119790

 

[HenryN]

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After the outbreak of the dangerous bird flu on Monday in Bavaria ten thousands ducks were killed. The Keulung of the 205,000 animals was final in the evening nearly, as the district communicated swan village. The authorities used three plantplant plants. Friedrich Loeffler Friedrich-Loeffler-Institut confirmed according to to the district that it concerns with the exciter the dangerous variant of the H5N1-Virus. Largest poultry mass gefluegel-Massentoetung in Germany 08. September 13:21 further bird flu suspicion on poultry yard 28 August 16:14 straw than trips for bird flu assumed 27 August 11:30, supplements 13:10 Keulung of 160.000 animals because of bird flu 26 August 12:13 Around the enterprises concerned a restricted area was furnished by three kilometers. The Bavarian consumer protection Ministry gradated the danger that infected ducks were brought into traffic, as very small. "we can assume nothing arrived to ministerial spokesman Roland squirrel into the trade", said. Friedrich Loeffler Friedrich-Loeffler-Institut dated the earliest possible infection time on 1 August. Safe go The authorities would have already let close after 30 July the produced inventory in the middle of August and also the mast operator the ducks delivered thereafter recalled. For the consumer represent one with bird flu exciters infected duck however anyway hardly a danger, because the exciters were killed when roasting, explained squirrel. "there we can give 'all-clear' signal completely clearly." With the recall of the goods one has safe to go and also a spreading of the epidemic to prevent want. With animals of the two mast enterprises in Nittenau and Bruck bird flu exciters were discovered, them did not get sick however not with as a speaker of the district said. With the enterprises it acts around subsidiary companies of the duck mast enterprise in Wachenroth when attaining, where at the end of was already determined August the dangerous H5N1-Erreger. There 166,000 animals were killed. After the outbreak of the bird flu in Wachenroth according to authority data Bavaria far approximately 20 contact contacts were examined. Exciters were found however only in Nittenau and Bruck. In the entire restricted area a stable obligation applies to all poultry animals. In addition the authorities furnished an observation range of approximately ten kilometers and a control zone of approximately 13 kilometers. There poultry enterprises are subject to special monitorings. The goods traffic is reglementiert. Already in the night to Sunday the Keulung was locked by approximately 28,000 animals in the smaller enterprise in Nittenau. Subsequently, with the toetung by approximately 177,000 ducks on the larger enterprise in Bruck one began. This action should be terminated at the night to Tuesday. Animal defense associations prangerten in view of the Keulung hundred-rope one hundred ducks again mass animal husbandry on. "with the attitude of thousand animals catapult-like spreading of an epidemic is taken by holding and Maestern for profit reasons in purchase", said the president of the German animal defense association, Wolfgang Apel. Both the animal defense association and the association European animal and nature protection (ETN) pleaded for a long-term strategy in handling the bird flu. "we demand new more modern epidemic politics, which set on inoculating, instead of senseless to kill", explained ETN executive committee Norbert Guenster. (AP)
http://www.netzeitung.de/vermischtes/736450.html

 

[Theresa42]

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...H5N1 was only found in frozen ducks, which doesn't formally count as outbreak....

This is just silly (on the part of the German officials or whomever 'counts' or classifies these things).

An outbreak is:

...a classification used in epidemiology to describe a small, localized group of people or organisms infected with a disease. Such groups are often confined to a village or a small area.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outbreak

Ok. So the authorities didn't find this outbreak WHILE IT WAS HAPPENING -- they found H5N1 in the already dead & frozen ducks (eighteen of them, no less!).

So, clearly there HAD been an outbreak wherever these ducks came from. The people raising the ducks and/or the authorities just missed it.

 

[Shannon Bennett]

Re: H5N1 in Domestic Ducks in Bavaria

Practically shouts asymptomatic, doesn't it.

 

[gsgs]

Re: H5N1 in Domestic Ducks in Bavaria

I think, it's a European regulation, not national.

Those samples can be some weeks old, are maybe stored elsewhere.
By the time the virus is found, it could already have died in the farm.

But in this case with influenza, well, they did cull and quarantine,
just formal juristical subtleties.

 

[Theresa42]

Re: H5N1 in Domestic Ducks in Bavaria

I think, it's a European regulation, not national.

Yeah, you're probably correct -- sure sounds like an EU regulation all right.

 

[HenryN]

Re: H5N1 in Domestic Ducks in Bavaria

This is just silly (on the part of the German officials or whomever 'counts' or classifies these things).

An outbreak is:Ok. So the authorities didn't find this outbreak WHILE IT WAS HAPPENING -- they found H5N1 in the already dead & frozen ducks (eighteen of them, no less!).

So, clearly there HAD been an outbreak wherever these ducks came from. The people raising the ducks and/or the authorities just missed it.

This is just German mumbo jumbo trying to ignore low path H5N1 (much like the mumbo jumbo worldwide, including Canada trying to explain away the dead geese at Prince Edward Island).

However, it now is moot since high path H5N1 was found and a quarantine has been imposed. It's an outbreak and it's Qinghai H5N1 in asymptomatic ducks.

 

[HenryN]

Re: H5N1 in Domestic Ducks in Bavaria

This is just German mumbo jumbo trying to ignore low path H5N1 (much like the mumbo jumbo worldwide, including Canada trying to explain away the dead geese at Prince Edward Island).

However, it now is moot since high path H5N1 was found and a quarantine has been imposed. It's an outbreak and it's Qinghai H5N1 in asymptomatic ducks.

Largest Keulungsaktion Germany terminates Bruck (dpa) - after the discovery of the bird flu in two east Bavarian duck mast enterprises in the night the largest German Massenkeulung was terminated. With the three-day-long action in Bruck and Nittenau 205,000 animals were killed, communicated a speaker of the district administration office swan village. During the investigation of the samples from the yards the dangerous exciter H5N1 was determined again. The district administration office confirmed therefore officially the outbreak of the poultry plague.
http://newsticker.welt.de/index.php?channel=new&module=dpa&id=15586304

 

[HenryN]

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The district administration office swan village furnished a service telephone for the citizens after the outbreak of the bird flu in Hofing and Trumling. Under the number 09431/471499 the Oberpfaelzer can inform about the H5N1-Virus. The peaceful Loeffler Institut had confirmed the outbreak of the animal epidemic on two yards in the district swan village in the evening. Thereupon the district administration office three kilometers a prohibited area and ten kilometers an observation zone furnished.

http://www.ramasuri.de/(aeafmq45lqeszfipgenhxnjx)/reference.aspx?f_k_=1120079&ref_ID=42817

 

[HenryN]

Re: H5N1 in Domestic Ducks in Bavaria

Yeah, you're probably correct -- sure sounds like an EU regulation all right.

The regulations on H5 extend well beyond Germany. All countries belonging to the UN have signed off on WHO regulations, which make both H7 and H5 reportable diseases, regardless of high or low path status. Thus, H5 is reportable to OIE.

Since most of the coverage of the outbreak in eastern Bavaria is in German, I may be missing some of the nuances, but the argument hinges on killing of birds that are not sick.

Asymptomatic ducks can be asymptomatic due to low and high path infections. Low path H5N1 in Europe is quite different than high path. Low path doesn't have the polybasic cleavage site and generally does not kill chickens or ducks. High path, (including Qinghai) however is more likely to kill chickens than ducks. Since all recent H5N1 infections west of China have been Qinghai, the high path in Germany, including asymptomatic ducks, is almost certainly Qinghai.

The most recent data indicates high path has been found on the farms, therefore the controversy on the term "outbreak" for the infected ducks is moot.

However, H5N1 that is asymptomatic in ducks (or other waterfowl) can still kill humans, and of course asymptomatic host are the most effective mechanism for transport of H5N1.
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[HenryN]

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Over 200,000 ducks killed the largest Massenkeulung, which ever took place in Germany, is terminated. In the meantime in further samples the virus H5N1 was discovered. Worker in the schutzanzug eliminates TierkadaverDie so far largest Keulung of breed animals in Germany in the night to Tuesday in the Upper Palatinate to end went. After discovering also the bird flu virus H5N1 dangerous for humans in two enterprises in Bruck and Nittenau altogether 205,000 ducks had been killed. It concerns subsidiary companies of that meat producer out of the Middle Franconian Wachenroth, with which the bird flu had broken out already before. There 160,000 mast ducks were killed.
oh further investigations of samples, in which H5N1 was found again, the district administration office swan village determined meanwhile also for the two Oberpfaelzer of yards the outbreak of the bird flu. A prohibited area by three kilometers and a control zone of 13 kilometers were specified around the two enterprises, said a speaker of the circle authority. No danger for the population The poultry owners in direct neighbourhood may not leave their animals to no more in the free. For far distant yards the goods traffic was limited clearly. For the population give it no endangerment, said the press speaker, "it concerns an animal epidemic". Already before the Keulung according to data of the Bavarian consumer protection Ministry in 18 frozen ducks from the enterprises the dangerous H5N1-Erreger one had discovered. Besides bird flu anti-bodies were to be proven cf/dpa with the living animals
http://www.focus.de/gesundheit/ratgeber/vogelgrippe/news/vogelgrippe_aid_132406.html

 

[gsgs]

Re: H5N1 in Domestic Ducks in Bavaria

as I understand, they didn't find any low-path H5N1.

They first found the HP-H5N1 in frozen control-samples and
also antibodies in ducks, but this doesn't already require the EU-regulations
about the 0.5km , 3km , 10km , 15km zones.
Still enough reason to start the culling.
Then they also found H5N1 in healthy ducks and
the zones had to be established.

These control samples are presumably routinely collected for
salmonella etc. surveillance or quality control.
Maybe they weren't even stored at the farms but at central places.

 

[HenryN]

Re: H5N1 in Domestic Ducks in Bavaria

Seehofer: Bird flu is serious threat for humans Di Sep 11, 2007 3:27 Central European Summer Time
(Reuters) - consumer protection Minister refuge Seehofer called because of the bird flu to larger caution. Contrary to the food scandals discussed under the references disgust and Gammelfleisch concern it with the H5N1-Virus a real danger for humans, said themselves Seehofer on Tuesday in the Bundestag. "that is a gigantic nature happening." The Federal Government is with high pressure about to win new realizations over the epidemic. "from the vaccine to the cause research we must do everything, around this danger for the grocery chain to avoid", added the CSU politician. After the official proof of the bird flu in two duck mast enterprises in the Upper Palatinate there additional safety precautions were met. According to data of a speaker of the district administration office in swan village around the two yards closing and observation zones were furnished approximately, in which the trade is reduced. The 205,000 ducks had been already killed after a first suspicion. The largest Keulungsaktion of poultry in the Federal Republic had gone on Tuesday morning to end. Investigations of the Friedrich Loeffler institute for animal health confirmed that it concerned with the found exciter also the virus H5N1 dangerous for humans. A spokeswoman said, the proof does not come not surprisingly, since the yards would have confessed with Nittenau in contact to the poultry mast enterprise in the proximity of attaining, where the bird flu had broken out three weeks ago ago. ONLY FIVE COUNTRIES CREDIT PANDEMIE PLAN CONVERTED As follows from a Reuters available answer of the government on a small request of the FDP parliamentary group, to June only five Lands of the Federal Republic for 20 per cent of their population had put on supplies by antiviral medicines. Actually this is surface covering intended as precaution for the case of a flu Pandemie. The FDP politician Hans Michael Goldmann accused Seehofer and health minister Ulla Schmidt therefore irresponsible acting. "you play thoughtlessly with the health of humans", said it Reuters. Experts are afraid that the bird flu virus could mutate in such a way that a simple transmission from humans becomes possible to humans. The consequence would be a global flu epidemic disease with million dead ones.
http://de.today.reuters.com/news/ne...8428_RTRDEOC_0_DEUTSCHLAND-VOGELGRIPPE-ZF.xml

 

[HenryN]

Re: H5N1 in Domestic Ducks in Bavaria

DJ VOGELGRIPPE/Seehofer sees "very serious situation" - to strip packing BERLIN (Dow Jones) -- after the confirmation of the renewed occurrence of the bird flu in Germany consumer protection Minister refuge Seehofer (CSU) sees a "very serious situation". In the debate in the Bundestag over its proposal 2008 Seehofer reminded more attention for the H5N1-Problematik "on Tuesday in Berlin" on, how the agency of strip packing reported. It is "from much greater importance" for the health of humans than some other debate in the foodstuffs sector. The challenge with the H5N1-Virus is larger "around an enormous piece" than for instance with the Gammelfleisch cases, warned the department head. "there it really concerns a potenzielle health endangerment", added Seehofer. Before the suspicion on bird flu in two Oberpfaelzer duck mast enterprises had officially been confirmed. Friedrich Loeffler Friedrich-Loeffler-Institut of the federation determined the outbreak of the bird flu of the hochpathogenen type of exciter H5N1 in investigations of samples of the animals, how the district administration office communicated swan village on Monday. The toetung that approximately 205,000 ducks in the enterprises was locked at the night to Tuesday. Seehofer spoke of a "gigantic nature happening", which had achieved meanwhile very large utilizable poultry ranges in Bavaria. Is necessary to do "from the vaccine to the cause research" everything "around this danger for the grocery chain to avoid". DJG/ddp/apo (END) Dow Jones Newswires September 11, 2007 07:53 ET (11:53 GMT)
http://www.boerse-online.de/tools/dowjones/20070911LL002230.html