the doctor
Retired 2010
Re: FluTrackers Confirmed U.S. Deaths - June 27 +
Re: FluTrackers Confirmed U.S. Deaths - June 27 +
Well, we have to rely on reports published in the press while the PH officials are privy to all the information.
Given what we have to work with, I think the methodology is fine. I wish the PH community would share their information with the public, medical and scientific community but within North American they have chosen not to.
Under these adverse circumstances, the collection of data on US deaths by Appleblossum and yourself is laudatory in the extreme. Where else can one interested in this topic obtain this information? Nowhere.
Now, I do not mean to say that the yeomen work done by ReadyMom and other flublogia folks on this issue is not of use. On the contrary, it is critical to have correlate sources of data to compare with because it is the only way for the data posted here to be error checked. We are fortunate to have multiple sources available to cross check out data.
This is no game. There is no winner. There is no competition between those on flublogia who have independently collected this data. What we are seeing is an example of what a free people of great nation is capable of doing on their own to provide those of us who are interested in this is with insight into a very uncertain event that our government has decided, by their actions that is something we, The People have no need to know about.
Well we may disagree with the US government's lack of transparency on this issue but because in this country we have a Bill of Rights that protects our freedom of speech, we here on this and other US flublogia sites are able to say what we wish even when our speech is not in agreement with our governments or indeed disagrees with it or condemns the government's actions is quite remarkable. God Bless American!
When there is agreement or lets say similar but not exact numbers of events that are being collected independently by several experienced flublogia investigators working on their own, then this almost always means that the essence of the data is reliable.
So, yes Wotan, it is clear that within the US the "apparent" numbers of healthy people dying from the novel strain has increased as the pandemic has continued.
By "apparent" I suggest that I have been suspicious of the labeling of so many of those who died during this pandemic as having pre-excising medical conditions and remain so. What I mean by this is that I think that if we are ever provided with the clinical facts for each of these deaths we would discover that while some maybe the majority of these claims by PH officials that the deceased had pre-existing medical conditions that contributed to their deaths, we will discover that the conditions cited for many others were not contributory. This is my opinion but not something that I have any proof of.
The fact that the database you have kept shows that as the pandemic has progressed, the number or US deaths reported officially by the PH officials have not included statements about the deceased having pre-existing medical conditions that predispose them to death from flu is very significant.
Keep up the good work. Where else can anyone get this information? Nowhere that's where.
Thank you for your contribution. It has added significantly to our understanding of this pandemic.
GW
Re: FluTrackers Confirmed U.S. Deaths - June 27 +
Well, we have to rely on reports published in the press while the PH officials are privy to all the information.
Given what we have to work with, I think the methodology is fine. I wish the PH community would share their information with the public, medical and scientific community but within North American they have chosen not to.
Under these adverse circumstances, the collection of data on US deaths by Appleblossum and yourself is laudatory in the extreme. Where else can one interested in this topic obtain this information? Nowhere.
Now, I do not mean to say that the yeomen work done by ReadyMom and other flublogia folks on this issue is not of use. On the contrary, it is critical to have correlate sources of data to compare with because it is the only way for the data posted here to be error checked. We are fortunate to have multiple sources available to cross check out data.
This is no game. There is no winner. There is no competition between those on flublogia who have independently collected this data. What we are seeing is an example of what a free people of great nation is capable of doing on their own to provide those of us who are interested in this is with insight into a very uncertain event that our government has decided, by their actions that is something we, The People have no need to know about.
Well we may disagree with the US government's lack of transparency on this issue but because in this country we have a Bill of Rights that protects our freedom of speech, we here on this and other US flublogia sites are able to say what we wish even when our speech is not in agreement with our governments or indeed disagrees with it or condemns the government's actions is quite remarkable. God Bless American!
When there is agreement or lets say similar but not exact numbers of events that are being collected independently by several experienced flublogia investigators working on their own, then this almost always means that the essence of the data is reliable.
So, yes Wotan, it is clear that within the US the "apparent" numbers of healthy people dying from the novel strain has increased as the pandemic has continued.
By "apparent" I suggest that I have been suspicious of the labeling of so many of those who died during this pandemic as having pre-excising medical conditions and remain so. What I mean by this is that I think that if we are ever provided with the clinical facts for each of these deaths we would discover that while some maybe the majority of these claims by PH officials that the deceased had pre-existing medical conditions that contributed to their deaths, we will discover that the conditions cited for many others were not contributory. This is my opinion but not something that I have any proof of.
The fact that the database you have kept shows that as the pandemic has progressed, the number or US deaths reported officially by the PH officials have not included statements about the deceased having pre-existing medical conditions that predispose them to death from flu is very significant.
Keep up the good work. Where else can anyone get this information? Nowhere that's where.
Thank you for your contribution. It has added significantly to our understanding of this pandemic.
GW
and I'll chime in and say thanks to all for the contributions and info on this thread. And thanks especially to all you other flu-trackers out there in web-land! I'm an incurable cross-checker, so whether you know it or not you are contributing to this list too!