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Dr Geert Vanden Bossche and Dr Robert Malone interviewed by Dr Philip McMillan (Things could get worse)
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sharon sanders
Editor-in-Chief & President
Excellent video. I find their points logical and of great interest. I can not speak to whether their interpretation of the science is correct because I am not a virologist.
I agree with Dr. Malone that the West is a "vaccine pig". i.e. The West is consuming most of the vaccine and is, therefore, preventing the effective distribution worldwide. Don't use the vaccine as an economic weapon. Use available agents for early intervention, like monoclonal antibodies. Make home test kits readily available. Encourage people to assess their own risk analysis of themselves.
A point that he mentions ("ghost in the data") is that the UK & Scottish data shows "excess" deaths in the vaccinated once "confounders" are adjusted for. I would like to see the paper on this because it is not how I see the data. I am going to send him an email and see if he answers on this issue.
Dr. Bossche's main point is that mass vaccination is driving evolutionary immune pressure to create more resistant mutant strains, especially infectious pressure. Overcrowding (& hygiene) is probably his 2nd main point. Overcrowding creates an environment for the acceleration of all types of communicable disease problems. As he says, this is a "no brainer".
I find nothing controversial here. It is the same type of scientific debate that I have seen and read for 15 years. I remember the huge international debate and fighting over whether migratory wild birds could spread disease. It is now settled science.
Again - FluTrackers provides information. We do not promote anything. Do your research. Do not take medical advice from the internet.
If you have any medical questions - consult your medical practitioner.
Bossche c.v.: https://37b32f5a-6ed9-4d6d-b3e1-5ec6...502752684f.pdf
Malone background: https://www.rwmalonemd.com/about-us
Disclosure: I am high risk and fully vaccinated. I carry a mask and practice social distancing. I have not made my decision on the booster but I am leaning toward getting it.
I agree with Dr. Malone that the West is a "vaccine pig". i.e. The West is consuming most of the vaccine and is, therefore, preventing the effective distribution worldwide. Don't use the vaccine as an economic weapon. Use available agents for early intervention, like monoclonal antibodies. Make home test kits readily available. Encourage people to assess their own risk analysis of themselves.
A point that he mentions ("ghost in the data") is that the UK & Scottish data shows "excess" deaths in the vaccinated once "confounders" are adjusted for. I would like to see the paper on this because it is not how I see the data. I am going to send him an email and see if he answers on this issue.
Dr. Bossche's main point is that mass vaccination is driving evolutionary immune pressure to create more resistant mutant strains, especially infectious pressure. Overcrowding (& hygiene) is probably his 2nd main point. Overcrowding creates an environment for the acceleration of all types of communicable disease problems. As he says, this is a "no brainer".
I find nothing controversial here. It is the same type of scientific debate that I have seen and read for 15 years. I remember the huge international debate and fighting over whether migratory wild birds could spread disease. It is now settled science.
Again - FluTrackers provides information. We do not promote anything. Do your research. Do not take medical advice from the internet.
If you have any medical questions - consult your medical practitioner.
Bossche c.v.: https://37b32f5a-6ed9-4d6d-b3e1-5ec6...502752684f.pdf
Malone background: https://www.rwmalonemd.com/about-us
Disclosure: I am high risk and fully vaccinated. I carry a mask and practice social distancing. I have not made my decision on the booster but I am leaning toward getting it.
sharon sanders
Editor-in-Chief & President
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To: "Robert Malone"
Subject: Question about "ghost in the data" comment in video
Date: Oct 11, 2021 9:14 AM
Hi Dr. Malone!
Could you elaborate on your comment about the "ghost in the data" relating to the excess deaths in vaccinated people in the UK and Scottish COVID-19 data?
Here is the link to the video and your comment is at 1:41:25.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qP31cfD3YOY
We will publish, in its entirety, your response. You may not know us but we do not play any games. We do not "bash". We do not have any agenda except public health. We do not sell or promote anything.
Sincerely,
Sharon Sanders
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FluTrackers.com
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To: "Robert Malone"
Subject: Question about "ghost in the data" comment in video
Date: Oct 11, 2021 9:14 AM
Hi Dr. Malone!
Could you elaborate on your comment about the "ghost in the data" relating to the excess deaths in vaccinated people in the UK and Scottish COVID-19 data?
Here is the link to the video and your comment is at 1:41:25.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qP31cfD3YOY
We will publish, in its entirety, your response. You may not know us but we do not play any games. We do not "bash". We do not have any agenda except public health. We do not sell or promote anything.
Sincerely,
Sharon Sanders
Editor-in-Chief
FluTrackers.com
https://flutrackers.com/forum/
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Emily
Editor, Senior Moderator
This might be the kind of youth case Dr. Vanden Bossche was talking about. Nobody in the family was vaccinated, but only this active 20 yr old died. I understood the theory to be that with a virus circulating as widely for this length of time, active young people may have recently recovered from a very mild or asymptomatic infection a short time before the second infection. Their immune systems can't handle it.
It might have been a case of genetics, but the father's illness was mild, the sister is not reported to have been ill at all. The mother was quite ill but survived.
In this article it is reported that Tyler had allergies that caused his doctor to not recommend vaccination, so it is possible that the allergies played a part, but the rapid illness and death still seem hard to explain to me.
https://www.wafb.com/2021/10/08/family-uses-sons-death-covid-urge-vaccination-action/
By Melissa Brunner and Gray News staff
Published: Oct. 7, 2021 at 9:00 PM CDT
TOPEKA, Kan. (WIBW) - Tyler Blaylock was a college baseball player and video game enthusiast who loved his family.
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Tyler also had a special bond with his younger sister Sydeny, who’s 16.
“He would do anything for me,” she said.
Tyler died from COVID on Sept. 16.
“It went so fast, it was like a tornado,” Kayla Blaylock said.
The fight started more than a month earlier, when Kayla and Johnny Blaylock both tested positive for COVID.
“When you leave the doctor, you don’t get medicine when you test positive for COVID - and I get it - there is no medicine, I understand that,” Kayla Blaylock said.
Johnny Blaylock’s symptoms remained mild, but Kayla developed severe breathing trouble, and was admitted to the hospital. Tyler tested positive on Aug. 15. Five days later, Johnny called Kayla to tell her he was rushing home - Tyler was in trouble.
“I immediately hang up and I call Tyler and I’m like, ‘Oh my gosh. What’s going on?’ and he says, ‘Mom, I’m laying on the bathroom floor and I cannot catch my breath,’” Kayla Blaylock said.
For the next 30 days, Tyler’s condition would go up and down. He spent stretches in isolation, spiking his anxiety.
“They arranged a FaceTime, and that was the hardest thing a mother will have to go through is to see how scared your child is,” Kayla Blaylock said.
After repeated requests, the Blaylocks were allowed at Tyler’s bedside. By that time, Tyler’s organs were shutting down.
“Three days in a row, our doctor came in and said, ‘I don’t know. I don’t know what to do,’” Johnny Blaylock recalled.
“We know that they tried everything they thought they knew to do,” Kayla Blaylock said.
The family would like to see researchers put more attention on early treatment, and for regulators to allow health care providers more flexibility to try different interventions, for wider patient populations...
It might have been a case of genetics, but the father's illness was mild, the sister is not reported to have been ill at all. The mother was quite ill but survived.
In this article it is reported that Tyler had allergies that caused his doctor to not recommend vaccination, so it is possible that the allergies played a part, but the rapid illness and death still seem hard to explain to me.
https://www.wafb.com/2021/10/08/family-uses-sons-death-covid-urge-vaccination-action/
By Melissa Brunner and Gray News staff
Published: Oct. 7, 2021 at 9:00 PM CDT
TOPEKA, Kan. (WIBW) - Tyler Blaylock was a college baseball player and video game enthusiast who loved his family.
...
Tyler also had a special bond with his younger sister Sydeny, who’s 16.
“He would do anything for me,” she said.
Tyler died from COVID on Sept. 16.
“It went so fast, it was like a tornado,” Kayla Blaylock said.
The fight started more than a month earlier, when Kayla and Johnny Blaylock both tested positive for COVID.
“When you leave the doctor, you don’t get medicine when you test positive for COVID - and I get it - there is no medicine, I understand that,” Kayla Blaylock said.
Johnny Blaylock’s symptoms remained mild, but Kayla developed severe breathing trouble, and was admitted to the hospital. Tyler tested positive on Aug. 15. Five days later, Johnny called Kayla to tell her he was rushing home - Tyler was in trouble.
“I immediately hang up and I call Tyler and I’m like, ‘Oh my gosh. What’s going on?’ and he says, ‘Mom, I’m laying on the bathroom floor and I cannot catch my breath,’” Kayla Blaylock said.
For the next 30 days, Tyler’s condition would go up and down. He spent stretches in isolation, spiking his anxiety.
“They arranged a FaceTime, and that was the hardest thing a mother will have to go through is to see how scared your child is,” Kayla Blaylock said.
After repeated requests, the Blaylocks were allowed at Tyler’s bedside. By that time, Tyler’s organs were shutting down.
“Three days in a row, our doctor came in and said, ‘I don’t know. I don’t know what to do,’” Johnny Blaylock recalled.
“We know that they tried everything they thought they knew to do,” Kayla Blaylock said.
The family would like to see researchers put more attention on early treatment, and for regulators to allow health care providers more flexibility to try different interventions, for wider patient populations...
sharon sanders
Editor-in-Chief & President
Dr. Malone has not responded. I would like to know his source for his comment about excess deaths in the vaccinated in the UK and Scotland. And what confounders is he making allowances for?
Emily
Editor, Senior Moderator
It would be interesting to find out the data source and how significant he thinks it is. I got the impression he was just aware of the data without drawing conclusions at this point. I found a blog by someone with a background in medical statistics that is looking at the overall death data in Scotland per age groups and vaccine status.
https://drowningindatadotblog.wordp...eaths-and-sars-cov2-vaccinations-in-scotland/
Linking excess deaths and SARS-CoV2 vaccinations in Scotland
Has there been any effect of the rollout of SaRS-CoV2 vaccinations on excess deaths in Scotland?
https://drowningindatadotblog.wordp...s-cov-2-vaccinations-in-scotland-26-may-2021/
Linking excess deaths and SARS-CoV-2 vaccinations in Scotland (26 May 2021)
https://drowningindatadotblog.wordp...eaths-and-sars-cov2-vaccinations-in-scotland/
Linking excess deaths and SARS-CoV2 vaccinations in Scotland
Has there been any effect of the rollout of SaRS-CoV2 vaccinations on excess deaths in Scotland?
https://drowningindatadotblog.wordp...s-cov-2-vaccinations-in-scotland-26-may-2021/
Linking excess deaths and SARS-CoV-2 vaccinations in Scotland (26 May 2021)
Emily
Editor, Senior Moderator
https://www.binghamtonhomepage.com/...hows-how-new-york-residents-feel-about-covid/
New Siena Poll shows how New York residents feel about COVID
Posted: Oct 21, 2021 / 10:33 AM EDT / Updated: Oct 21, 2021 / 10:33 AM EDT
LOUDONVILLE, N.Y. (NEWS10) – The Siena College Research Institute (SCRI) released a Special New York State COVID Crisis Poll on October 21, asking New York State residents various questions on how they feel about COVID.
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According to a survey by SCRI, 78% of New Yorker residents think about protecting themselves and their families from COVID every day either some of the time (35%) or all of the time (43%). Also, 50% of residents think the worst of COVID is over and 36% think the worst has yet to come.
New Siena Poll shows how New York residents feel about COVID
Posted: Oct 21, 2021 / 10:33 AM EDT / Updated: Oct 21, 2021 / 10:33 AM EDT
LOUDONVILLE, N.Y. (NEWS10) – The Siena College Research Institute (SCRI) released a Special New York State COVID Crisis Poll on October 21, asking New York State residents various questions on how they feel about COVID.
...
According to a survey by SCRI, 78% of New Yorker residents think about protecting themselves and their families from COVID every day either some of the time (35%) or all of the time (43%). Also, 50% of residents think the worst of COVID is over and 36% think the worst has yet to come.