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Discussion thread II - Covid-19 (new coronavirus)

hawkeye said:
Thanks LA - reading what you've written, do we know if reinfection is not possible (I'm sure there are always exceptions, but I'm asking with regards to the general population)? I hadn't thought about it until now.
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https://translate.googleusercontent...700271&usg=ALkJrhgP2n8zcN9BxS0poEAnmDpR8cUHSQ

Expert: Wuhan pneumonia is still at risk of reinfection or pulmonary fibrosis sequelae after healing

Experts point out that patients who have recovered from the new type of coronavirus pneumonia still have the risk of reinfection, and they should strengthen their protection.

The new coronavirus pneumonia epidemic is raging, and many cases have been recovered so far. However, at the press conference of the National Health Commission on Friday (31st), experts pointed out that patients who are cured still have the risk of reinfection, so protection should be strengthened.

In addition, experts also mentioned that generally mild patients have no sequelae after recovery, and very severe patients may have pulmonary fibrosis for a period of time.

Zhan Qingyuan, director of the fourth and fifth department of Respiratory Medicine of the Department of Respiratory and Critical Care Medicine, China-Japan Friendship Hospital, pointed out that the general rule of viral infection, patients will produce certain antibodies after viral infection, which has a protective effect on the human body. But in fact, antibodies may not last long, so patients who have recovered from new coronavirus pneumonia still have the risk of reinfection, and they should strengthen their protection.

Regarding the question of whether the cured patients will have sequelae, Zhan Qingyuan pointed out that after clinically found that the new type of coronavirus infection, the patients were mainly damaged lungs, but mild patients should have no sequelae, and severe patients may have a residual for a period of time Lung damage repairs changes, such as fibrosis. But Zhan Qingyuan emphasized that the lung's repairing ability is very strong, and most of the fibrosis can be repaired. "But for very heavy, very, very, very few patients, they may leave a little lung for a long time. Fibrosis, we need to strengthen the follow-up. "
 
The final hours of the 40 year old who died in the in Philippines echo what I've read from various posts regarding deaths in China.

"BREAKING: Philippines health officials say that in the #coronavirus patient's last few days, he was stable and showed signs of improvement, however, the condition of the patient deteriorated within his last 24 hours resulting in his death - CNN Philippines"

https://twitter.com/LIVEBreakingNow/status/1223821665940828161
 
hawkeye said:
The final hours of the 40 year old who died in the in Philippines echo what I've read from various posts regarding deaths in China.

"BREAKING: Philippines health officials say that in the #coronavirus patient's last few days, he was stable and showed signs of improvement, however, the condition of the patient deteriorated within his last 24 hours resulting in his death - CNN Philippines"

https://twitter.com/LIVEBreakingNow/status/1223821665940828161
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Wondering if that's not a sign of a hospital acquired co-infection, perhaps a bacterial one.
 
Viral shedding even after recovery?

"The fact that asymptomatic persons are potential sources of 2019-nCoV infection may warrant a reassessment of transmission dynamics of the current outbreak. In this context, the detection of 2019-nCoV and a high sputum viral load in a convalescent patient (Patient 1) arouse concern about prolonged shedding of 2019-nCoV after recovery. Yet, the viability of 2019-nCoV detected on qRT-PCR in this patient remains to be proved by means of viral culture."

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2001468
 
alert said:
Apparently, not only did they dox him, they accused him of creating this virus and putting part of the HIV/AIDS virus in it.

(Yes, I am aware there are some people who feel that short, often less than 20 base pairs, shared sequences between two unrelated viruses like H5N1 and Ebola or HIV and nCoV indicate recombination as opposed to sheer statistical coincidence. But that's not what's being accused here.)
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Just passing this along. Seen it show up in a message board. Seems to have a lot of the same keywords.

"we extended our previous study to ACE2 molecules from seven additional bat species and tested their interactions with human SARS-CoV spike protein using both HIV-based pseudotype and live SARS-CoV infection assays. The results show that ACE2s of Myotis daubentoni and Rhinolophus sinicus support viral entry mediated by the SARS-CoV S protein.."

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00705-010-0729-6
 
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ahh, I wonder what Zhan Qingyuan exactly said, I saw it translated differently.
My understanding : most people (>80%??) will have antibodies, but some maybe not enough
and you should still be careful.
(and with SARS the protection was for ~2 years when it slowly went down)
 
hawkeye said:
I can understand disinfecting the inside by spraying...but I'm not understanding this level of disinfectant.

Please see this video of what appears to be the outside of the plane being sprayed as well as the tarmac.

https://twitter.com/ISCResearch/stat...25934546751488
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I don't have an opinion on why they are decontaminating the outside of the plane or the tarmac if this is a real video. I would note that there are reports that some Chinese citizens are resorting to traditional medicines maybe because of superstitions or because they have no other options now that the hospitals are full. i expect we will see more odd behavior as this epidemic grows.
 
Laidback Al said:
I don't have an opinion on why they are decontaminating the outside of the plane or the tarmac if this is a real video. I would note that there are reports that some Chinese citizens are resorting to traditional medicines maybe because of superstitions or because they have no other options now that the hospitals are full. i expect we will see more odd behavior as this epidemic grows.
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Yes, I suspect you are correct.
 
Bringing back traditional culture could be a good thing for China.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/01/asia...e-claims-coronavirus-intl-scli-hnk/index.html
"The two institutes that discovered Shuanghuanglian's alleged ability to "inhibit" the coronavirus are both state-run bodies. The Shanghai Institute of Materia Medica is under the Chinese Academy of Sciences (CAS), a top government think tank. The Wuhan Institute of Virology is also administered by the CAS and is among the country's most advanced virus research laboratories.
The news comes after China's National Health Commission issued a notice on the treatment of the coronavirus on Monday, asking medical institutions to "actively promote the role of traditional Chinese medicine (TCM) during treatment."

"The recent promotion of TCM in China is also in line with Xi's push to revive traditional Chinese culture, breaking away from the ruling Communist Party's earlier path under late Chairman Mao Zedong, during which time elements of traditional culture were often attacked, especially during the Cultural Revolution."
 
I am writing an Article and have a question, if anyone can guide me to the data...
  1. Is there a relatively comprehensive Data List regarding Fatalities anywhere?
    * I am primarily interested in Age / Sex info.
    * Secondarily interested in progression data. 1st Symptoms > Hospitlization > ICU or Intubation > Death.
    * 3rdly interested in symptoms progression
Thanks in advance if anyone can point me to a link to the data. I've tried searching everywhere, but all I have found is random snippets of small groups or studies. I would think that charting some of this data would be helpful.
 
DavidH said:
I am writing an Article and have a question, if anyone can guide me to the data...
  1. Is there a relatively comprehensive Data List regarding Fatalities anywhere?
    * I am primarily interested in Age / Sex info.
    * Secondarily interested in progression data. 1st Symptoms > Hospitlization > ICU or Intubation > Death.
    * 3rdly interested in symptoms progression
Thanks in advance if anyone can point me to a link to the data. I've tried searching everywhere, but all I have found is random snippets of small groups or studies. I would think that charting some of this data would be helpful.
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Hi!

There is not comprehensive data on deaths because the provinces and the National Health Commission have not released it.

The little data we have is located on the weekly threads. You can scan through those to pick up any available data. While the previous representations were that most of the deaths were elderly, now there is a death in the Philippines of a person aged 44.

China: https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/-2019-ncov-new-coronavirus/china-2019-ncov

Philippines: https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum...9-ncov-new-coronavirus-death-outside-of-china
 
Laidback Al said:
I don't have an opinion on why they are decontaminating the outside of the plane or the tarmac if this is a real video. I would note that there are reports that some Chinese citizens are resorting to traditional medicines maybe because of superstitions or because they have no other options now that the hospitals are full. i expect we will see more odd behavior as this epidemic grows.
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Supposedly a video, presumably of the disinfection process for passengers arriving to Indonesia:
https://twitter.com/IsChinar/status/1223974472383750144
https://twitter.com/IsChinar/status/1223973807565824000
 
I have concerns about the situation in the Phillipines. This is a country that doesn't have a lot of health infrastructure. The first patient identified was the wife of the patient who died yesterday but all the accounts that I have read state that the patient who had died was very sick and then was doing better before the wife was declared the first case. Then there is this video from social media which is an unsubstantiated first had account of a purported Chinese national falling unconscious in the streets. The authorities are called but no ambulances are available and eventually the victim regains consciousness and walks away. If this video is true then it paints a disturbing picture of what is happening in Manilla which would be a far worse place to contain this virus. https://twitter.com/Ipatulfomoyan/status/1223628156621357059
 
Laidback Al said:
I don't have an opinion on why they are decontaminating the outside of the plane or the tarmac if this is a real video. I would note that there are reports that some Chinese citizens are resorting to traditional medicines maybe because of superstitions or because they have no other options now that the hospitals are full. i expect we will see more odd behavior as this epidemic grows.
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Well the strongest antibiotic in the world is Tumeric, Ginger and garlic, equal amounts chopped fine, pack down into a small jar and cover with honey and a pinch of pepper for absobsion.

Take a spoonful each morning 2 hours before eating.

A full body cleansing, and costs $2-3 dollars and nothing modern medicine has created is better...
 
Very informative article that is rather alarming concerning the underreporting of nCOV deaths:

People outside the statistics: They died of "general pneumonia"?
https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=zh-CN&tl=en&u=http://archive.is/ObawP

.."A doctor at a designated hospital in Wuhan told the Caijing reporter that the hospital admitted 600 critically ill patients, but none were diagnosed. "There is a lack of test strips, but we don't understand why they are lacking. "...

.."An employee of Zhongnan Hospital said: "Applying for a nucleic acid test can only allow doctors to open a suspected case report card, but only in urgent cases will this form be filled out. ""...

.." The diagnosis report cannot be issued immediately after the test. According to the doctor of the First Hospital, the test takes one day. "I did it today, and I can know an approximate result tomorrow." Admission."..
.."A doctor at the hospital said that if he died without a confirmed diagnosis, it would not be counted as the number of confirmed deaths, but only as "pulmonary deaths."..

"As far as my own department is concerned, the mortality rate is much higher than the discharge rate. At the same time, many cases cured and discharged cannot be regarded as a true cure, and long-term observation is needed. " Said the doctor."
 
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