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Discussion of...Sebelius: Closing schools wouldn't ward off virus

Re: Discussion of...Sebelius: Closing schools wouldn't ward off virus

Snowy Owl, that is great news. I hope that trickles down to the supers.
 
Re: Discussion of...Sebelius: Closing schools wouldn't ward off virus

if the vaccine won't be ready until after the flu peaks would most Americans want it?
Now govt is saying 'give us what you have NOW' ("as is" so to speak) to the manufacturers. Will many want it in November-when they already have natural immunity probably? It is a risk I am afraid many Americans won't take. Like I said -if I hear one more person on the news say, "to reduce your risk wash your hands and stay home when sick". Uh we are contagious before we are symptomatic - so kids WILL spread this when they are still well.
 
Re: Discussion of...Sebelius: Closing schools wouldn't ward off virus

Dr. Anne Schuchat made the point on the Newshour with Jim Lehrer that 50% of the cases will occur post-peak. I guess that's obvious, but for some reason I had not thought of it that way.
 
Re: Discussion of...Sebelius: Closing schools wouldn't ward off virus

#...: "What if there could be judicious school closings?"

Recently in a thread at FT, a post cited a country which one area judged and deliberated school closures.

#38:
Quoted: "we learned last spring is that shutting a school down sort of pre-emptively doesn't stop the virus from spreading"

- especialy if done not everywhere at once, and for 5 days instead 2 weeks during the pre-vaccinations period.

But even now, with home teleworkings, closures will slow down the fastness of the spreading - nobody says it will stop the virus - but it will be slowed enaugh until the vaccines.

Or this wasn't the main goal now - to slow down the spreadings until enaugh vaccine quantities came?



#41: "I used a piece of paper towel to lower the seat"

:D

Wrong - carry on additional gloves to do it.

And imagin what will be if the seat was already lowered, but wet ...

The "boot-tecnic" could work reversely also: if carefuly bumped forward, it will start to fall down at place; before the clash, it must be stoped and carefully lifted the last trail ... :)

Or maybe it is better to switch back to the paper/gloves option ... but there will be a shortage, so we must switched to seat-free restrooms ...

;)
 
Re: Discussion of...Sebelius: Closing schools wouldn't ward off virus

Uh we are contagious before we are symptomatic - so kids WILL spread this when they are still well.

You are absolutely right. That is a big reasons IMO NOT closing schools won't work.

However, the 'peak' of contagiousness is after symptoms start. But, others are still infected before this.

Also, many schools and parents to NOT keep sick kids home unless they can't move out of bed. I grew up with a mother like this.
 
Re: Discussion of...Sebelius: Closing schools wouldn't ward off virus

An employer may choose to accomodate a creative idea, rather than loose an employee.

Another option is working 4 10s (my favorite), and doing the same as your friends - staggering days off for a combined daycare effort.

Given the cost of daycare, I can see parents doing this without a pandemic.

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True. But, many employers won't consider such thing until things are blown to scary proportions and are in the news.
 
Re: Discussion of...Sebelius: Closing schools wouldn't ward off virus

If you haven't officially closed your school doors because of swine flu, then you might still be motivated to keep it hushed because parents will keep kids home or (unthinkable) kids will wear masks to school.

I think the Asian countries do pretty well with having people wear the masks and closing schools when necessary.
 
Re: Discussion of...Sebelius: Closing schools wouldn't ward off virus

True. But, many employers won't consider such thing until things are blown to scary proportions and are in the news.

One of the issues attached to non-standard work schedules is handling state-mandated "overtime" pay for shifts in excess of 8 hours. Here, an employer must have the written consent of employees to document they willingly approve of a 10-hour (no overtime) shift for 4 days/week.

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type="hidden"> Conrad Weiser swine flu outbreak influences U.S. health policy

Tactic emerging deals with how long patients should be isolated


By Erin Negley
Reading Eagle

8/28/2009


- The nasal swabs and interviews ended months ago in a corner of western Berks County.

But the results of an extensive federal swine flu study done in Conrad Weiser School District area have influenced national policy on fighting the spread of the H1N1 virus.

The federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention sent investigators to Berks County in May after district officials closed the Conrad Weiser West Elementary School for a week to prevent the spread of swine flu.

The team examined how the flu spread, how long people had the virus and whether the school closing effectively slowed the spread of the flu.

While the CDC and state Health Department epidemiologists are still analyzing the data, they've concluded that people with swine flu were most likely to spread the virus when they were sick with fever.

The likelihood went away quickly thereafter, Dr. Stephen M. Ostroff, state Epidemiology Bureau director said.

That information helped the CDC in early August to reissue a recommendation on post-flu isolation.

The new policy is that swine flu patients should be isolated for only 24 hours after the fever breaks without the aid of medication, he said.

The previous recommendation was that the patient be isolated for a week after the fever broke.

Conrad Weiser West was closed for seven days, which appears to have worked, Ostroff said. Once the school reopened, the absentee rates returned to normal quickly and investigators didn't see a jump in swine flu cases after that.

Federal and state health officials started studying swine flu in western Berks because of its rural setting.

That was different because in the spring, most of the outbreaks nationwide were in urban areas.

"We thought that this was a terrific opportunity to try to answer some very difficult questions," Ostroff said.

They studied the impact of school closings on the spread of the flu, family finances, effects of isolation and specific events that led to the increases in school absences.

While all of the data hasn't been analyzed, investigators learned the weeklong school closing didn't have a significant economic impact.

Very few parents or guardians had to miss work or only had to take a day or two off, Ostroff said.

The results were similar in studies done elsewhere.

"Many of us were surprised that it wasn't as disruptive as we thought it would have been," he said.


Health officials are still looking into how the flu spread and what the key events were in spreading the virus.

Contact Erin Negley: 610-371-5047 or enegley@readingeagle.com.

http://www.readingeagle.com/article.aspx?id=154418


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Re: Discussion of...Sebelius: Closing schools wouldn't ward off virus

That's an excellent article, think I may pass it along to our school district.
 
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