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Discussion: Huge drop in Ebola bodies across Liberian capital: Red Cross

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I don't know why they concentrate on hospital admissions now rather than on reported case-counts.
Hospital admissions are much smaller numbers, they depend on the available hospitals,
what region the patients came from, nurse-strikes, how many report and agree to be admitted

I'd rather like someone to comment where the 162 new Montserrado cases on Oct.17 came from
 
Re: Huge drop in Ebola bodies across Liberian capital: Red Cross

Re: Huge drop in Ebola bodies across Liberian capital: Red Cross

Is it possible that people are burying bodies surreptitiously, as they do not approve of the mandatory cremation? I thought grave-counting was part of the assessment, perhaps that is why WHO's figures differ. The Red Cross only retrieves bodies which will ultimately be cremated.
 
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Re: Huge drop in Ebola bodies across Liberian capital: Red Cross

My thoughts are that they are trying to avoid cremation, as well. I assume they are hiding their sick and burying their dead in secret. I haven't had much faith in the numbers coming out of W. Africa now for a month. It seems we are not getting much news from there and that hurts efforts here in terms of getting the public to support an all out effort there.

I have seen reports that say Liberia has only 400 cases. That's impossible.

Estimates of possible cases are all over the map. It's hard to get a grip on what is actually going on there.
 
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Re: Huge drop in Ebola bodies across Liberian capital: Red Cross

I think 400 was the number of patients in the ETUs ?!
(ebola treatment units)
 
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Re: Huge drop in Ebola bodies across Liberian capital: Red Cross

I believe you are correct. I guess cremation is not a viable option. :(
 
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Re: Huge drop in Ebola bodies across Liberian capital: Red Cross

I don't trust sources from Liberia since reporters and access restricted. Who is "messaging"? And if the message is that things are improving? I'm hopeful but skeptical. I wish WHO would clarify what is going on there.
 
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Re: Huge drop in Ebola bodies across Liberian capital: Red Cross

Dani said:
I thought grave-counting was part of the assessment, perhaps that is why WHO's figures differ. The Red Cross only retrieves bodies which will ultimately be cremated.
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Several reports that they have quit counting graves.
They stopped testing dead long ago.
 
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Re: Huge drop in Ebola bodies across Liberian capital: Red Cross

My gut feeling (which is totally unscientific ;) ) is that things are so bad there, that gathering data has been relegated to the back burner. I assume that burying the dead, and attempting to isolate the sick are their primary concerns right now.
 
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Re: Huge drop in Ebola bodies across Liberian capital: Red Cross

Dani said:
Is it possible that people are burying bodies surreptitiously, as they do not approve of the mandatory cremation? I thought grave-counting was part of the assessment, perhaps that is why WHO's figures differ. The Red Cross only retrieves bodies which will ultimately be cremated.
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I don't know about this, I'm just putting this out there...but does anyone have any additional information on reinfection/infection, especially as it relates to cremation?

"A member of the World Health Organisation committee of experts on Ebola Virus Disease in West Africa, Prof. Victor Inem..."

?...It is very possible for cured victims to re-contract the virus when he brings himself closer again with sufferers through sex, their other body fluids, eating of some animals which are reservoirs of the virus or through processes of burning victims.?

http://www.nigerianeye.com/2014/08/cured-ebola-victims-can-be-re-infected.html
 
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Re: Huge drop in Ebola bodies across Liberian capital: Red Cross

things can't be so bad. They are still tracing all the contacts,
5000 contacts each day
 
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Re: Huge drop in Ebola bodies across Liberian capital: Red Cross

Seriously, 5,000 contacts per day? Like I said, isolating the sick and disposing of the dead would have to be the major priorities.
 
Re: Discussion: Huge drop in Ebola bodies across Liberian capital: Red Cross

Ebola: mortality declining in Liberia
Tuesday, October 28, 2014 / by Assanatou Balde



The Red Cross said it had seen a sharp decline in mortality from Ebola virus in Liberia in the capital Monrovia.

A hope for the Ebola virus in Liberia? Teams in the Liberian Red Cross in charge of collecting the bodies of Ebola victims around the capital have seen a significant drop since the beginning of the month, said on Tuesday, the secretary general of the Liberian Red Cross , Fayah Tamba.

The World Health Organization (WHO) has nevertheless tempered hopes recession, noting last week that the "number of cases continued to be undervalued, especially in Liberia's capital, Monrovia," where she around the estimated at least 300 cases per week. According to the Red Cross, which is entrusted to the private radio Sky FM, after a peak in September, with more than 200 bodies collected per week, more than 300 around the middle of the month, the statistics have gradually declined in October to 117 last week.

Liberia is among the most affected by Ebola, which has 5,000 dead before the Sierra Leone and Guinea country, according to the latest report of WHO.:tiphat:http://www.afrik.com/ebola-la-mortalite-en-baisse-au-liberia
 
Re: Discussion: Huge drop in Ebola bodies across Liberian capital: Red Cross

or it has mutated and is less deadly now in Monrovia
 
Re: Discussion: Huge drop in Ebola bodies across Liberian capital: Red Cross

Or there has been enough changes in behavior that spread has slowed.
 
Re: Discussion: Huge drop in Ebola bodies across Liberian capital: Red Cross

Or cases are being hidden and bodies buried in secret to avoid the enforcement of cremation orders.
 
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Vibrant62 said:
Or cases are being hidden and bodies buried in secret to avoid the enforcement of cremation orders.
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But cremation doesn?t simply deprive families of burial rites, Blackie said. It disturbs the spiritual realm.

?Burning means that the ancestors of the person?s spirit are angry with them, that the person doesn?t have a resting place within the [spirit] community,? Blackie said. If the spirit of the dead is not accepted by the ancestors, he said, it might visit the living, trying to find a place among the rooms and the people of its old, terrestrial life. ?If they are moving through the house, they have to be burned so they won?t do it again.?

Cremation, in Blackie?s explanation, is the last straw of the living, seeking to free themselves of the spirit rejected by the ancestors from the afterlife.

So to burn a body, in Liberia, is to jump a lot of spiritual steps.

Liberia?s elite, on the other hand, seem keen on wrangling exceptions to the mass cremation rule.

Dr. Samuel Brisbane was Liberia?s highest-ranking doctor; when he died of Ebola, in late July, he was buried in a cemetery here. President Ellen Johnson Sirleaf said in an interview in mid-September on the radio station run by the United Nations peacekeeping operation that his burial ?was a special one?an exception? and that there is ?no pick and choose business? in Ebola deaths.

But similar reports have surfaced in the weeks since. The special assistant to a national medical officer died in late September in an Ebola treatment ward, but his body was somehow released and buried two days later, despite the cremation policy, according to a local obituary.

Korvayan has been asked on more than one occasion to release a body he?s come to the Ebola treatment unit (ETU) to pick up, allowing it to be taken away and buried rather than cremated.

http://www.buzzfeed.com/jinamoore/what-will-the-ancestors-think-if-you-burn-a-body-in-liberia
 
Re: Huge drop in Ebola bodies across Liberian capital: Red Cross

Re: Huge drop in Ebola bodies across Liberian capital: Red Cross

hawkeye said:
I don't know about this, I'm just putting this out there...but does anyone have any additional information on reinfection/infection, especially as it relates to cremation?

"A member of the World Health Organisation committee of experts on Ebola Virus Disease in West Africa, Prof. Victor Inem..."

“...It is very possible for cured victims to re-contract the virus when he brings himself closer again with sufferers through sex, their other body fluids, eating of some animals which are reservoirs of the virus or through processes of burning victims.”

http://www.nigerianeye.com/2014/08/cured-ebola-victims-can-be-re-infected.html
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The survivors are thought to be immune, at least for a lengthy period afterwards. IIRC, there was a Westerner who survived Ebola some years ago, which afforded a long term opportunity to follow his antibody titres, and they remained positive for over a decade. Unfortunately, they did eventually become undetectable, but "memory" white cells would be able to ramp back up again. Hopefully.

They've even been looking at having survivors help take care of the currently ill. I think Dr. Brantley has spoken of returning when he is able.
 
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Re: Huge drop in Ebola bodies across Liberian capital: Red Cross

AnnaLisa said:
My gut feeling (which is totally unscientific ;) ) is that things are so bad there, that gathering data has been relegated to the back burner. I assume that burying the dead, and attempting to isolate the sick are their primary concerns right now.
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The reality that there will not be an army of thousands of HCW arriving may be sinking in. Why spend time counting in the midst of treating, when reporting the counts is not bringing throngs of help.

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