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Congratulations F1 on again getting the invite to 'help them help us' in Washington D.C.
The announcement (this thread) states that the purpose is " how the government can most efficiently and effectively disseminate information on the novel H1N1 influenza outbreak".

Disseminating information is one portion of a larger activity called communication. Efficient and effective communication depends upon sound knowledge of WHAT, WHY and 'to WHOM' (assumed to be the entire U.S. public by intent, and by extension, the world public). The WHAT is almost as broad as the 'to whom', and is a bit more complicated since it's a 'moving target'. Let's assume they want to cover the whole topic, from numeric and geographic spread data to threat indices, to recommendations for public precautions. Governments are bureaucracies which are endowed with authority over the public, and responsibility to the public. WHY they are doing what they are doing is often difficult to discern. Is it more to exert authority, or to dispatch responsibility? Since viruses are an autonomous, lawless sort which the government can not arrest (in both senses of the word:)), let's assume that they are interested in 'the greatest good for the most people', while avoiding opprobrium and public outrage. So, the purpose behind the purpose of this meeting is to tell the people about a current health threat, and to direct their actions, to minimize the harm that results from this threat. If there is anything that we have learned in the past year or two, it should be the importance of the economy. Anything that affects the economy negatively, affects people negatively, and globally. Anything that threatens GDP, such as absenteeism, health care costs, education/training, pessimism in the stock market etc. drags the economy down. A poor economy can be disastrous to elected politicians and the rest of us too. To the leaders of our bureaucracy, H1N1 '09 swine influenza is at the very least a Triple Threat. 1) Public health problem. 2) Economic WMD. 3) Political wildcard. They recognize that they can't contain the disease, and nobody knows how bad it might get, so they want to know the best ways to communicate this to the public.

I think they already know the answer to the question (in terms of technology, demographics, costs, etc.), and are more interested in actually taking the first step (which is to get the main players together and 'on the same page' by inviting them to the discussion session with an appropriately enticing lead question). It seems appropriate for the government to take the lead, although I would like to someday see FluTrackers invite the other participants to THEIR table. LOL :applause: What the government is actually interested in is keeping their finger on the pulse of a public relations conundrum. They want to sense the tone of the subject to fine tune their approach to walk the knife-edge between alarmist and 'cover up conspiracy'. As such, I think that the most effective knob that they have at their disposal to set the tone, the 'how' is actually 'what' they focus on.

I see their primary goal at this point, as a challenge to get the greatest number of people to stock up on essentials (food, water, TP, etc.) in a time-distributed fashion that the existing infrastructure can handle. Human nature, for multiple reasons such as denial, procrastination, low resources, low self-discipline.... will avoid taking the threat seriously until the last minute. When they all try to prepare at once, the supply system collapses. So what is desired is a steady progression in an orderly and sustainable manner.

There is no perfect preparation, no definitive scenario, that 'if we do this' 100% of the population will be spared. There is only a spectrum of better and worse. Many people (waiting for the perfect solution) put off doing the things which will move us all (herd benefit from X% penetration of individual preparation) in the direction of BETTER. What they need is to be 'tipped' into activity. Sometimes even a flawed graphic (a simple intuitive appeal) can be of great utility. For example, if the government came out with a program asking people to prepare a 4-week supply of essentials, and then asked them to not all do it at once, only the people whose name ends in 'A' this week, and 'B' next week etc. I say flawed because even if followed exactly, we wouldn't all be prepared until 6-plus months, far too late for the anticipated 'H1N1 '09 swine' fall second wave. The value is that as the weeks roll past, more and more people are going to sense that they are slipping behind. Sure, many will remain in denial, but how many will take action who otherwise wouldn't have? Each week the media could find both overt and subliminal reminders that it is ( e.g. 'G' ) week.

The question is "what strings (inside people's minds) can the message (a simple graphic) pull, to get a greater percentage of people to take it seriously and make the 'adjustment reaction' that results in activity, without triggering a cascade (avalanche) that overwhelms the supply system." We all have to be somewhat oblivious to danger in the world around us to even function day-to-day. What I am advocating is to push the balance point away from cultural complacency, and toward personal creation of a 'buffer' of survival essentials. FluTrackers has a wealth of information on HOW to do exactly that.

To almost falsely create the atmosphere of scarcity, to 'prime the pump' of human nature's competitiveness until it out-weighs the human nature of 'essential obliviousness' is akin to setting a back-blaze to deprive a wildfire of fuel when it gets to that area. It is still 'playing with fire'. But in this instance, I think that it is a reasonable risk (like setting a back-blaze in a sandbox) because if it creates too much demand then it will be a great 'test run', pointing out weaknesses that need to be fixed, and the worst that can happen is 'inconvenience' compared to 'calamity' in the real event.

There are three possible outcomes; ineffective, effective, and over-effective.
a) If the media campaign is ineffective, then TPTB need to 'kick it up a notch'.
b) If it is perfectively effective, the supply infrastructure will be stressed ~16% above normal for ~ 26 weeks (A,B,C,D.... = 6 months).
(16% results from 4% of the population times 4 weeks of preps)
c) If it is over-effective, there will be localized and item-specific panic buying and hoarding, perhaps even enough to bolster the sagging economy. Unlike in the 'real event' however, it should be self-limiting since the motivation is mental decision-making based on Government and media recommendations, not over-crowding at the local morgue.

There are also multiple possible 'crossings' with the real event.
a) If the 'H1N1 '09 swine' second wave in the northern hemisphere never occurs, prepping still won't have been for nothing. Fire drills have value. Inconvenient? Yes. Expensive? Somewhat. Long term benefit? Priceless.
b) If the 'real event' does happen during this 'preparation campaign' then let's hope that it occurs later, not sooner. This virus gave us a 'Spring event' in '09, it may just repeat that performance in 2010. Or the event we are more ready for might be H9N2 or H5N1, or in 2011 or.......
c) The 'big event' may have already 'touched off' somewhere in the world already, in which case 'the scramble is on'. Why wait?

I see personal-level preparations as the most effective antidote to pandemic disease. It is more important than national, state, or community planning/stockpiles because its at the same level as the problem (grass roots). It is individuals who get sick and die, not bureaucracies. An extra supply of essentials can be used for social-distancing and/or for taking pressure off the system when the infrastructure frays. It's low-tech (a short and sturdy chain) so it's likely to work. If a severe pandemic occurs and vaccines/anti-virals ARE effective, then we will still need the personal preps. If a severe pandemic occurs and needed quantities of vaccines are not ready in time / anti-virals are not available or effective, then we will need personal preps even more.

The individual should not be asking what the nation/state/community is doing for them, but what they can do for the nation/state&community....and laying in a stock of food, drink, and survival necessities is what they can do.

To be able (prepared) to care for ourselves and those who do get sick, in a distributed manner (at home) and avoid spreading the disease by moving about in a public setting is the most sure way to 'cut the peaks off' the morbidity and mortality counts. I think the government and the media should encourage the public to 'tip' into making the 'adjustment reaction', and get busy with those preparations, by escalating the message until we achieve a 'herd immunity' to the frailties of our modern infrastructure.

I understand the pressure the government faces to be DOING something, and how strongly our modern culture clings to the idea that they can go on about their lives uninterrupted (just get the jab and go back to work, or to play) by relying on our science and medicine. I understand that the media in a capitalist society runs on selling copy to make a buck, and they focus on attracting people's attention any way they can. However, I think that they both have a responsibility to inform the public that there are things in the world that are BIGGER than us (humans). Bigger than our science, political structures and everything else that we pride ourselves on. Our 'advanced' medicine has given us a reprieve from some diseases, but has not conquered any of them, much less all of them. We (as a species) should still be equipped to 'hunker down' when 'Mother Nature' goes on a rampage, lest our collective hubris and daily-schedule-driven inertia amplifies both the rapidity of geographic spread and the 'attack rate' of the next influenza event ( or continuation of this one). Let's not get lost in the 'vaccine debate', and ignore contingency planning for production, distribution and disinfection of food and water. I think the public should be hearing less about possible school closings, and more about recalling retired truck drivers, police, utility maintenance workers etc. Less about how mild this strain of flu is (for now), and more about cross-training people from less-essential job functions to 'fill in' for people in highly-essential jobs if absenteeism runs way up. Articles on how to close off half of a house to conserve on heating fuel, and building of inexpensive (perhaps temporary) vestibules/doorways for heat retention and air-lock (germ-locks for sick rooms). How about running night classes (voluntary attendance) to bulk up skill pools on topics such as municipal water treatment, firefighting, operating communications equipment etc. Introduce mandatory classes in grade-schools on basic first aid, emergency preparedness, 'wilderness' survival, emerging infectious diseases. Topics that the next generation is really going to need to know, and they can bring it home to the rest of the family (who should have but didn't get it when they were in school). We as a country should be ashamed of the Katrina event more because it showed how complacent and unprepared we were than the multiple failures of Federal agencies to 'take up the slack'. I believe that all media formats can and should serve the country by educating the public, not just informing them. I like the bumper sticker I saw recently...... Personal Responsibility: Take it, It's yours ...........

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That's Wonderful!! Flutrackers is getting the respect it should!! I will tell all my disbelieving friends about this validation and maybe they will become regular readers of this site...
I am pleased to announce that FluTrackers has been invited to Washington D.C. to participate in a media interactive session to discuss our perspective on how the government can most efficiently and effectively disseminate information on the novel H1N1 influenza outbreak.

I will be attending for FluTrackers. In attendance for the government will be Secretary Sebelius (HHS) and Secretary Napolitano (DHS), among others.

This invitation reflects the hard work of everyone here. We are considered as vital as main stream media. The U.S. government asking us for advice.

A discussion forum on a 180$ USD vbulletin.

Strangers from all over the world. Now friends.

Last year I sat next to someone from ABC news. FluTrackers. Reuters. NPR.

Very humbling. Us.

I hope to convey our message.

Tell the truth. Show faith in the people. Trust us.


"Change will not come if we wait for some other person or some other time. We are the ones we've been waiting for. We are the change that we seek."

Barak Obama
 
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///read///, nicely stated.
 
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Congratulations! I love this forum! I am in San Diego and work in healthcare so I used it to pay attention to southern hemisphere to help me know what to expect for the fall. This was the site. Not the WHO, CDC sites. I found very little details on those and vague guidance. The guidance does not tell us what people have tried in Australia, England when things got busy. This site did.
Thanks for taking the time to meet with them!
 
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Niko brought up a good point in another thread
I was just told by a teacher at my child's school that a survey of households in our district showed that approx 40% of people did not have access to the internet at home!

The figures are even lower that that for my tenants. Just about all of them have had local tv, many have had cable, few have computers (minority tenants just about never have computers) and only 1 tenant that I know of ever received the local newspaper.

Over the years, many of my low/non-income families get govt assistance due to medical problems, either adults or children, so they all go to the doctors fairly frequently.

Probably 95% of my tenants have kids in school.

If the govt can use local tv, doctors offices and the school systems to help get the message out, that will be a big step in the right direction. Time is of the essence if they want to do this prior to the pandemic hitting. They better hurry.
 
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Yay! Daily I chip away at the misinformation my fellow RNs have. TELL them they need at least as much put into public education on h1n1 as they did for the digital TV switchover. I am sure they can do that. Crawls at the bottom of TV screens with the atypical symptoms. For pregnant women, for those who are young and healthy, for children, =no fever, N/V, dry cough, sore throat, CO-infections of strep and bronchitis...and others should NOT rule out H1N1....things like that....I am sure they can do that for the American people....as much as they did for TV! digital switchover. TELL them to give us specific instances of complications. One person with encephalitis. One person with ARDS. One person with strep and sepsis. One person with meningitis. One person with strep and sinus infection which led quickly to multi organ failure. Tell them to tell us about two healthy siblings, now dead. Things like that. Tell them to tell us it IS NOT JUST THE FLU! Without this info-no one will risk the vaccine! Tell them hospitals aren't testing for it and when rarely they isolate a coughing febrile person they are making RNs wear SURGICAL masks-that early on the CDC said were useless. Tell them we expect the USA to have prepared for a pandemic like they said they had and we NEED our N95s broken out and ALL suspected flu cases placed on immediate isolation in the hospitals - a protocol that RNs can enforce automatically without DRs orders. Tell them to tell the CDC we will die without them-and they need us. Thanks!
 
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and tell them to quit telling us to wash our hands. We get it....well most of us do! We want more. People won't go out of their way to avoid flu if they keep hearing it is mild. Yes we need specific cases -no names-of healthy people who died-and how. Yes that gets people's attention.
 
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from 2008

More Americans turning to Web for news

Fri Feb 29, 2008 11:48am EST
NEW YORK (Reuters) - Nearly 70 percent of Americans believe traditional journalism is out of touch, and nearly half are turning to the Internet to get their news, according to a new survey.
While most people think journalism is important to the quality of life, 64 percent are dissatisfied with the quality of journalism in their communities, a We Media/Zogby Interactive online poll showed.
"That's a really encouraging reflection of people who care A) about journalism and B) understand that it makes a difference to their lives," said Andrew Nachison, of iFOCOS, a Virginia-based think tank which organized a forum in Miami where the findings were presented.
Nearly half of the 1,979 people who responded to the survey said their primary source of news and information is the Internet, up from 40 percent just a year ago. Less than one third use television to get their news, while 11 percent turn to radio and 10 percent to newspapers.
More than half of those who grew up with the Internet, those 18 to 29, get most of their news and information online, compared to 35 percent of people 65 and older. Older adults are the only group that favors a primary news source other than the Internet, with 38 percent selecting television.
Howard Finberg, of the Poynter Institute in St. Petersburg, Florida, said the public often doesn't understand that the sources they are accessing online such as Google News and Yahoo News pull stories from newspapers, television, wire services and other media sources.
"It's delivered in a non-traditional form, that doesn't necessarily mean there isn't traditional journalism underneath it," he explained.
But Finberg said the study does support the belief among many large media companies that focusing on local issues is important to their journalistic and economic survival.



http://www.reuters.com/article/inte...Type=RSS&feedName=internetNews&rpc=22&sp=true
 
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I believe that people who use the net frequently prefer it as their news source and the net is well stocked with info for those who are interested in finding it.

For all those who don't use the net, there needs to be other sources.

The tv scroll is a good idea (except I wish there was some way to block it for those of us who had seen the digital message a thousand times).

I wonder how many pamphlets actually get read?
 
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I agree with mixin in #50.
And more, not only tv scrolls, but whole screen daily banners, and short concise message videos, as they at the TV usualy do for this overwhelming commercials.

About the #49, even if an considerable part (it seems big, but not enaugh, and not everywhere) goes to internet, the recent past 4 years demonstrated that in a matter of wide population infectious/pandemic real feeled/knowed awareness, all the web weren't enaugh to change the population main perception of endanger.

Like it, or not, the "web star did NOT kill the TV star",
so it is very neccessary to added the TV awareness to the web one.

On the web you can find every kind of wrotings, and views,
on the TV quite not as much ... so "if it was trumpeted on the TV morning/evening daily news, it must be enaugh important and incombent" ...
 
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Thanks everyone for the great suggestions!
 
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Congrats Sharon and everyone that comprise FT!
 
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"to participate in a media interactive session to discuss our perspective on how the government can most efficiently and effectively disseminate information on the novel H1N1 influenza outbreak".

Mmm, what is the session about?

Is it about the message, the information we/FT members would like to spread ( for instance: WHY AND HOW TO PREPARE, WHY AND HOW TO BE ALERT) or is it about how to spread the "White House" information ( Wash your hands, stay home when you are ill) ? And use FT for spreading that information?

Just a question. :)

Edit: If they offer big $$$$ to spread their message, OK, we can do that and even better spread our own message ? :D
 
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Basically we are there to help illuminate for the government participants how we will react online under certain circumstances.

It is a tabletop exercise. They present a fictional situation, for instance, "50 people are diagnosed with pandemic flu, 2000 more are lined up in the hospital and outside in Grandtown".

Then the moderator of the table top exercise asks us how would we report that. For us, would it be Breaking news?, on our Twitter?, blog? Would we add emphasis on the diagnosis, treatment, preparation threads?

Each media responds (ABC, FW, AFD, Reuters, etc. etc.). Last year one said that their group would send helicopters to hover over the homes of victims. The government people were :eek: LOL

It ends up being a media training session for the government representatives.

I was really impressed last year with the level of interest. Each one of the government people acted as if the situations presented were real. Former Sec. Leavitt was a great participant. I could see the concern in his eyes.

I was also impressed that they knew us from FT. When Treyfish walked up to one, she said "Treyfish! Wow - I know you!".

To be honest I know the government has an agenda. But on the chance that we can have an impact - we go.
 
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But on the chance that we can have an impact - we go

Could not agree more .
 
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They want and need the help.:)
 
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That is why I am promoting the UK approach, antivirals, masks, handgel, all medicines related to the pandemic should be distribute by a municipal building not the drug stores.

Snowy Owl

It seems quite reasonable.

If things goes realy bad, only a war-times-like economy and logistic delivery could allow an more equal distribution, instead of an flu friendly stampedo to the few places with meds/foods, leaving the most weak, ill, or needed medicaments, without anything.

Already somewhere the treatment ball is leaved to hospital infectious wards only, but without any enlargement. How much patients it can take? Only a fraction.
 
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After all, FT was the first (if you don't count the Diario Despertar de Oaxaca!) media source to report the pandemic.
 
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After all, FT was the first (if you don't count the Diario Despertar de Oaxaca!) media source to report the pandemic.

Several media/disease hunting groups are claiming to have found the initial outbreak in Mexico first. So I am not sure who "found" it.

Here is our thread on that:

Mexico: April 17 New Respiratory Illnesses - Including Mexico City & Oaxaca

http://www.flutrackers.com/forum/showthread.php?t=99635
 
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As a lurker for quite a while now, I have to say CONGRATULATIONS! I hope the powers that be learn something from Flu Trackers!
 
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