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Discussion: Chinese Academy of Sciences (CAS) in Wuhan has been working with bats and coronavirus for many years - DNA manipulations, cloning.... - Ja
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sharon sanders
Editor-in-Chief & President
I don't know anyone who is "anti-China mad". Maybe you should read Sina daily for a few days and see the large amounts of news about the United States published there. China and the US are the 2 leading world economies. Naturally there is a lot of interest about what these 2 countries do...where they spend their money...military interests... etc. If someone questions China's motivations it does not mean they are "anti-China". As I read the international news, I see that everything that the US does is questioned. Why should China be held to any less scrutiny?
I do not want offend anybody, but from a European point of view, it looks like that China is accusing USA and USA is accusing China.
If there was a common project on coronavirus manipulation that went wrong, it might partially explain it. But this is just a speculation.
It gets now more complicated to track where the virus really came. Not the Fish Market but the Military Games in October 2019 in Wuhan seem to have spread the virus all over the world.
https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/3932712
Was it already in Wuhan at that time, or was one of the teams infected? We should look back to possible SARS-CoV-2 infections in summer 2019 in all the countries involved in the games.
If there was a common project on coronavirus manipulation that went wrong, it might partially explain it. But this is just a speculation.
It gets now more complicated to track where the virus really came. Not the Fish Market but the Military Games in October 2019 in Wuhan seem to have spread the virus all over the world.
https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/3932712
Was it already in Wuhan at that time, or was one of the teams infected? We should look back to possible SARS-CoV-2 infections in summer 2019 in all the countries involved in the games.
Mary Wilson
Well-known member
LINK to above post by Kathy, post #120.
Coronavirus may have been spreading since Wuhan Military Games last October
Suspected cases among international athletes months before China's first report to WHO
https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/3932712
Coronavirus may have been spreading since Wuhan Military Games last October
Suspected cases among international athletes months before China's first report to WHO
https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/3932712
sharon sanders
Editor-in-Chief & President
sharon sanders
Editor-in-Chief & President
Kathy is correct. Here is an example of the rhetoric. I found this example as I was scanning the news tonight in Chinese. With the large numbers of cases and deaths worldwide I am not surprised at the language.
Science will tell us what happened.
Heavy: China is going to fight back against the United States!
Global Times , 09:29, May 14, 2020
5,633
Original title: Blockbuster: China is going to fight back against the United States!
A Global Times reporter learned from relevant sources on the 13th that China is extremely dissatisfied with the indiscriminate lawsuit against China against the epidemic in China. The entity takes the necessary disciplinary measures. An expert on American issues told the Global Times reporter that China will not just counteract symbolically, "it must hurt him."
Over the past few years, some members of Congress and state officials in the United States have frequently resorted to the problem of the new coronary pneumonia epidemic to China, which can be described as "abuse of addiction". On April 14, US Republican Senator Josh Holly introduced the "Justice for Victims of Coronavirus Act" in the Senate, allowing Americans to file private lawsuits against China. On April 16, US Republican Senator Tom Cotton proposed the "Accountability of the Communist Party of China for Infecting Americans in 2020" bill, demanding deprivation of China's sovereign immunity in the United States. A day later, US Republican Rep. Chris Smith and others introduced a similar bill in the House of Representatives, demanding that "Beijing is responsible for the harm the American people have suffered because of new coronary pneumonia." Republican Rep. Banks is also desperately making noise claims against China for the epidemic.
In fact, for the above-mentioned legislators, anti-China has almost become their "daily" activity. Take US Republican Senator Josh Holly as an example. On March 12, this year, he joined another Republican Senator Rick Scott to propose a bill to prohibit US federal employees from being distributed by the government. Install Chinese social media application software TikTok on the phone. Chris Smith is also a frequent visitor to China-related issues, especially the so-called human rights issue. In March last year, the lawmaker introduced a resolution in the US House of Representatives requesting the US government to issue Chinese political influence activities in the US Report to fully examine the threat posed by China.
In addition to the anti-China lawmakers mentioned above, American entities such as the US conservative lobbying organization "Freedom Watch" and Texas-based Buzz Photos also joined the anti-Chinese lawsuit. On April 17 this year, "Free Watch" co-founder Larry Kleman filed an indictment with a court in northern Texas, placing "Free Watch" and Buzz Photos, a sports photography company based in Texas, on the list of plaintiffs. . The indictment requires the Chinese government to compensate more than US $ 20 trillion. On April 21, local time, the US Attorney General of Missouri Eric Schmidt filed a civil lawsuit in the federal court, saying that "China's response to the epidemic caused huge economic losses in the state", saying that China "must be the new crown of the world." Virus pandemic is responsible "and requires" cash compensation ".
In an interview with the Global Times, Yuan Zheng, a researcher at the American Research Institute of the Chinese Academy of Social Sciences and director of the US Foreign Affairs Research Office, stated that China has repeatedly emphasized that Sino-US cooperation is mutually beneficial and win-win. China has always upheld this purpose and hopes that Relations can develop in a healthy direction, "but we can't give in again and again, and we can't tolerate some people rumoring Sino-US relations without principle." He said that for these unfounded rumours ruining Sino-US relations and dying Politicians who do not repent and then seek political interests in the United States, we must resolutely crack down.
https://news.sina.com.cn/c/2020-05-1...i3000663.shtml
Science will tell us what happened.
Heavy: China is going to fight back against the United States!
Global Times , 09:29, May 14, 2020
5,633
Original title: Blockbuster: China is going to fight back against the United States!
A Global Times reporter learned from relevant sources on the 13th that China is extremely dissatisfied with the indiscriminate lawsuit against China against the epidemic in China. The entity takes the necessary disciplinary measures. An expert on American issues told the Global Times reporter that China will not just counteract symbolically, "it must hurt him."
Over the past few years, some members of Congress and state officials in the United States have frequently resorted to the problem of the new coronary pneumonia epidemic to China, which can be described as "abuse of addiction". On April 14, US Republican Senator Josh Holly introduced the "Justice for Victims of Coronavirus Act" in the Senate, allowing Americans to file private lawsuits against China. On April 16, US Republican Senator Tom Cotton proposed the "Accountability of the Communist Party of China for Infecting Americans in 2020" bill, demanding deprivation of China's sovereign immunity in the United States. A day later, US Republican Rep. Chris Smith and others introduced a similar bill in the House of Representatives, demanding that "Beijing is responsible for the harm the American people have suffered because of new coronary pneumonia." Republican Rep. Banks is also desperately making noise claims against China for the epidemic.
In fact, for the above-mentioned legislators, anti-China has almost become their "daily" activity. Take US Republican Senator Josh Holly as an example. On March 12, this year, he joined another Republican Senator Rick Scott to propose a bill to prohibit US federal employees from being distributed by the government. Install Chinese social media application software TikTok on the phone. Chris Smith is also a frequent visitor to China-related issues, especially the so-called human rights issue. In March last year, the lawmaker introduced a resolution in the US House of Representatives requesting the US government to issue Chinese political influence activities in the US Report to fully examine the threat posed by China.
In addition to the anti-China lawmakers mentioned above, American entities such as the US conservative lobbying organization "Freedom Watch" and Texas-based Buzz Photos also joined the anti-Chinese lawsuit. On April 17 this year, "Free Watch" co-founder Larry Kleman filed an indictment with a court in northern Texas, placing "Free Watch" and Buzz Photos, a sports photography company based in Texas, on the list of plaintiffs. . The indictment requires the Chinese government to compensate more than US $ 20 trillion. On April 21, local time, the US Attorney General of Missouri Eric Schmidt filed a civil lawsuit in the federal court, saying that "China's response to the epidemic caused huge economic losses in the state", saying that China "must be the new crown of the world." Virus pandemic is responsible "and requires" cash compensation ".
In an interview with the Global Times, Yuan Zheng, a researcher at the American Research Institute of the Chinese Academy of Social Sciences and director of the US Foreign Affairs Research Office, stated that China has repeatedly emphasized that Sino-US cooperation is mutually beneficial and win-win. China has always upheld this purpose and hopes that Relations can develop in a healthy direction, "but we can't give in again and again, and we can't tolerate some people rumoring Sino-US relations without principle." He said that for these unfounded rumours ruining Sino-US relations and dying Politicians who do not repent and then seek political interests in the United States, we must resolutely crack down.
https://news.sina.com.cn/c/2020-05-1...i3000663.shtml
Emily
Editor, Senior Moderator
They shouldn't be held to less scrutiny but they are because their propaganda is good enough to fool reasonably intelligent people and when it isn't, they just buy them so they forget that people have already been hurt.
https://cen.acs.org/content/cen/articles/86/i19/Anatomy-Pet-Food-Catastrophe.html
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/24015019/...arin-probe-reveals-global-drug-market-perils/
https://www.newsweek.com/congress-s...gs-eyeing-pharmaceutical-supply-chain-1468753
https://www.nbcnews.com/health/heal...nder-china-controls-much-world-s-drug-n900716
Normalization brought out the worst in BOTH countries - https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/a...de-relations-with-china-was-a-mistake/562403/
What is there to fear about facing that? War? I don't think that will happen over laboratory safety issues.
https://cen.acs.org/content/cen/articles/86/i19/Anatomy-Pet-Food-Catastrophe.html
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/24015019/...arin-probe-reveals-global-drug-market-perils/
https://www.newsweek.com/congress-s...gs-eyeing-pharmaceutical-supply-chain-1468753
https://www.nbcnews.com/health/heal...nder-china-controls-much-world-s-drug-n900716
Normalization brought out the worst in BOTH countries - https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/a...de-relations-with-china-was-a-mistake/562403/
What is there to fear about facing that? War? I don't think that will happen over laboratory safety issues.
Emily
Editor, Senior Moderator
:tiphat: to bertrand789
https://www.valeursactuelles.com/mo...ure-du-laboratoire-de-wuhan-en-octobre-119230
Machine translation:
https://www.valeursactuelles.com/mo...ure-du-laboratoire-de-wuhan-en-octobre-119230
Machine translation:
Pathfinder
Editor, Senior Moderator
Tackling Rumors of a Suspicious Origin of nCoV2019
Novel 2019 coronavirus
nCoV-2019 Evolutionary History
profbillg1901
12d
SOURCE OF FURIN SITE IN SARS-CoV-2 IS COPY CHOICE ERROR FROM MIXED INFECTION OF BATS
...
Human in incubation with SARS-CoV-2 could hop a max speed train, direct line from Kunming in Yunnan Province and disembark in Wuhan train station 6.5-8 hours later, sometime last fall. The line began service in 2017.
Infected in Yunnan, does not spread it there, but goes to Wuhan, where he/she either falls ill or spreads it asymptomatically to another person, initiating the pandemic there. The initial outbreak occurs a short distance from the Wuhan train station for good reason – that is where it arrived.
...
The backbone of the virus sequence was derived from a common ancestor of Bat RaTG13 and SARS-CoV-2, most likely in Yunnan province from which Bat RaTG13 was isolated. Small segments of sequence, hundreds of nucleotides long in a genome of 30,000 nt, were derived from viruses ancestral to other viruses only recently isolated in Guangdong province.
The only laboratory in which SARS-CoV-2 was concocted was a natural one in a bat cave, in a process that took decades, an accident of nature waiting for human contact.
William R. Gallaher, Ph.D. (Harvard ’72)
Professor of Microbiology, Immunology and Parasitology, Emeritus
Louisiana State University School of Medicine, New Orleans
http://virological.org/t/tackling-rumors-of-a-suspicious-origin-of-ncov2019/384
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And then I found this post. In the pictures, the students manipulate bats without any protection.
Translation Google
2019-07-17 11:01:19
Graduate students of the Department of Ecology participate in scientific investigations of wild animals, field behavior experiments, and collection of genetic samples
Our ecology
Field survey of bats, from Yunnan to Shenzhen
Chiroptera (commonly known as bat) is the only mammal that can really fly, with rich species and wide distribution. The developed echolocation, strong immunity, flight, longevity and other specific characteristics cast a mysterious color on the bat.
Great-footed mouse ear bat, brown fruit bat (Photographer: Zhang Libiao)
From June 18th to July 16th, 2019 , a joint research team consisting of the research team of Researcher Zhang Libiao of Guangdong Institute of Biological Resources Application and Professor Zhao Huabin, Department of Ecology, School of Life Sciences, Wuhan University The scientific investigation of bat resources was carried out, including habitat survey, predator net catching, field behavior experiment, and sample collection.
Everything is ready
It is necessary to carefully plan and prepare every time before going out into the field.
List of bat field investigation supplies
Colorful trip to Yunnan
The expedition team used a net catch method to capture bats in Dashi Cave, Lufeng County, Yunnan Province . Due to the high top of Dashidong, the steep rock cliffs are not conducive to climbing. The team members used the surrounding bamboo to extend the length of the net. In the bat's habitat (the hole) Zhang Wuwang, waiting for the bat to fly out.
The entrance of Dashidong and the opening of the pole (Photo: Xie Huanwang)
Under the leadership of Researcher Zhang Libiao, he inspected the surrounding villages of the bat habitat and selected a suitable place for behavioral experiments. The team members built a shed (7m ? 2.5m ? 2.5m) near the bat habitat.
Sheds with seam nets and behavior experiments (Photograph: Wang Junhua , Xie Huanwang)
Shenzhen trip
In the Yangtai Mountain of Shenzhen, the team members traveled the mountains and waded in search of the bat's habitat, Mahom Cave . Ma Hom hole position close to the top of the mountain sheep Taishan, need to walk about 30 minutes on foot hiking trail to reach the cave year-round habitat for a large shoe bat ( Hipposideros armiger ) .
Climbing trails, walking through the jungle (Photo: Xie Huanwang)
Mahom Cave, Honeycomb at the entrance (Photo: He Xiangyang , Xie Huanwang)
The team members looked for a suitable habitat in Zhang Shan . The location of Zhangwang is generally selected in the bat habitat (holes, under trees, etc.) and bat predation areas (watersides, grasslands, forest roads, etc.).
Find a suitable habitat, Zhang Wang (Photograph: Wang Junhua)
Xie Huanwang, a graduate student of ecology in the Department of Ecology, is looking for a suitable habitat and organizing the copy net (Photo: Zhang Libiao)
After dark, the bats went out for food. The team members waited for the bat to hit the net, promptly removed the bat and put it in the cloth bag, and brought it back indoors to sample the wing membrane overnight, and then released the bat.
Untie the net and bag the bat (Photo: Liu Quansheng , Liu Yuhang)
Xie Huanwang, sampling with big yellow bat and wing membrane (Photograph: Wang Junhua , Xie Huanwang)
After a month, this joint scientific expedition was successfully concluded. During the expedition investigation into bat species have large Myotis ( Myotis ricketti ) , large myotis ( Myotis chinensis ) , a large shoe bat ( Hipposideros armiger ) , Chinese rufous horseshoe bat ( Rhinolophus sinicus ) , in Rhinolophus ( affinis Rhinolophus ), Markov horseshoe bat ( Rhinolophus marshalli ) , rhubarb bat ( Scotophilus heathi ) , small yellow bat ( Scotophilus Kuhli ) , Pipistrellus ( Pipistrellus abramus ) , cranial flat bat ( Tylonycteris pachypus ) , Cynopterus ( Cynopterus Sphinx ) , Brown fruit bat ( Rousettus leschenaultii ), Cave nectar bat ( Eonycteris spelaea ) , fruit bats hold the tail ( Rousettus amplexicaudatus ) , a Brookfield cone bat ( Sphaerias blanfordi ) 15 kinds of bats.
Dog bat, big yellow bat, and medium chrysanthemum bat (Photo: Xie Huanwang)
https://wemp.app/posts/41b8ab05-0aec-4084-b19d-98a3bad1f571
Novel 2019 coronavirus
nCoV-2019 Evolutionary History
profbillg1901
12d
SOURCE OF FURIN SITE IN SARS-CoV-2 IS COPY CHOICE ERROR FROM MIXED INFECTION OF BATS
...
Human in incubation with SARS-CoV-2 could hop a max speed train, direct line from Kunming in Yunnan Province and disembark in Wuhan train station 6.5-8 hours later, sometime last fall. The line began service in 2017.
Infected in Yunnan, does not spread it there, but goes to Wuhan, where he/she either falls ill or spreads it asymptomatically to another person, initiating the pandemic there. The initial outbreak occurs a short distance from the Wuhan train station for good reason – that is where it arrived.
...
The backbone of the virus sequence was derived from a common ancestor of Bat RaTG13 and SARS-CoV-2, most likely in Yunnan province from which Bat RaTG13 was isolated. Small segments of sequence, hundreds of nucleotides long in a genome of 30,000 nt, were derived from viruses ancestral to other viruses only recently isolated in Guangdong province.
The only laboratory in which SARS-CoV-2 was concocted was a natural one in a bat cave, in a process that took decades, an accident of nature waiting for human contact.
William R. Gallaher, Ph.D. (Harvard ’72)
Professor of Microbiology, Immunology and Parasitology, Emeritus
Louisiana State University School of Medicine, New Orleans
http://virological.org/t/tackling-rumors-of-a-suspicious-origin-of-ncov2019/384
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
And then I found this post. In the pictures, the students manipulate bats without any protection.
Translation Google
2019-07-17 11:01:19
Graduate students of the Department of Ecology participate in scientific investigations of wild animals, field behavior experiments, and collection of genetic samples
Our ecology
Field survey of bats, from Yunnan to Shenzhen
Chiroptera (commonly known as bat) is the only mammal that can really fly, with rich species and wide distribution. The developed echolocation, strong immunity, flight, longevity and other specific characteristics cast a mysterious color on the bat.
Great-footed mouse ear bat, brown fruit bat (Photographer: Zhang Libiao)
From June 18th to July 16th, 2019 , a joint research team consisting of the research team of Researcher Zhang Libiao of Guangdong Institute of Biological Resources Application and Professor Zhao Huabin, Department of Ecology, School of Life Sciences, Wuhan University The scientific investigation of bat resources was carried out, including habitat survey, predator net catching, field behavior experiment, and sample collection.
Everything is ready
It is necessary to carefully plan and prepare every time before going out into the field.
List of bat field investigation supplies
Colorful trip to Yunnan
The expedition team used a net catch method to capture bats in Dashi Cave, Lufeng County, Yunnan Province . Due to the high top of Dashidong, the steep rock cliffs are not conducive to climbing. The team members used the surrounding bamboo to extend the length of the net. In the bat's habitat (the hole) Zhang Wuwang, waiting for the bat to fly out.
The entrance of Dashidong and the opening of the pole (Photo: Xie Huanwang)
Under the leadership of Researcher Zhang Libiao, he inspected the surrounding villages of the bat habitat and selected a suitable place for behavioral experiments. The team members built a shed (7m ? 2.5m ? 2.5m) near the bat habitat.
Sheds with seam nets and behavior experiments (Photograph: Wang Junhua , Xie Huanwang)
Shenzhen trip
In the Yangtai Mountain of Shenzhen, the team members traveled the mountains and waded in search of the bat's habitat, Mahom Cave . Ma Hom hole position close to the top of the mountain sheep Taishan, need to walk about 30 minutes on foot hiking trail to reach the cave year-round habitat for a large shoe bat ( Hipposideros armiger ) .
Climbing trails, walking through the jungle (Photo: Xie Huanwang)
Mahom Cave, Honeycomb at the entrance (Photo: He Xiangyang , Xie Huanwang)
The team members looked for a suitable habitat in Zhang Shan . The location of Zhangwang is generally selected in the bat habitat (holes, under trees, etc.) and bat predation areas (watersides, grasslands, forest roads, etc.).
Find a suitable habitat, Zhang Wang (Photograph: Wang Junhua)
Xie Huanwang, a graduate student of ecology in the Department of Ecology, is looking for a suitable habitat and organizing the copy net (Photo: Zhang Libiao)
After dark, the bats went out for food. The team members waited for the bat to hit the net, promptly removed the bat and put it in the cloth bag, and brought it back indoors to sample the wing membrane overnight, and then released the bat.
Untie the net and bag the bat (Photo: Liu Quansheng , Liu Yuhang)
Xie Huanwang, sampling with big yellow bat and wing membrane (Photograph: Wang Junhua , Xie Huanwang)
After a month, this joint scientific expedition was successfully concluded. During the expedition investigation into bat species have large Myotis ( Myotis ricketti ) , large myotis ( Myotis chinensis ) , a large shoe bat ( Hipposideros armiger ) , Chinese rufous horseshoe bat ( Rhinolophus sinicus ) , in Rhinolophus ( affinis Rhinolophus ), Markov horseshoe bat ( Rhinolophus marshalli ) , rhubarb bat ( Scotophilus heathi ) , small yellow bat ( Scotophilus Kuhli ) , Pipistrellus ( Pipistrellus abramus ) , cranial flat bat ( Tylonycteris pachypus ) , Cynopterus ( Cynopterus Sphinx ) , Brown fruit bat ( Rousettus leschenaultii ), Cave nectar bat ( Eonycteris spelaea ) , fruit bats hold the tail ( Rousettus amplexicaudatus ) , a Brookfield cone bat ( Sphaerias blanfordi ) 15 kinds of bats.
Dog bat, big yellow bat, and medium chrysanthemum bat (Photo: Xie Huanwang)
https://wemp.app/posts/41b8ab05-0aec-4084-b19d-98a3bad1f571
Pathfinder
Editor, Senior Moderator
What is China covering up about the coronavirus?: Devine
By Miranda DevineMay 6, 2020 | 10:17pm
Days before the Wuhan wet market was bleached, whistleblowers were punished and virus samples were destroyed, someone at the high-security Wuhan Institute of Virology censored its virus database in an apparent attempt to disassociate the laboratory from a novel-coronavirus outbreak that would become a global pandemic.
This is what open-source intelligence uncovered in the United Kingdom reveals.
Substantial alterations to the WIV database on the evening of Dec. 30, the day before the World Health Organization was alerted to the outbreak of a cluster of pneumonia cases in Wuhan, are just another indication that the Chinese Communist Party is hiding something when it comes to the origins of COVID-19.
...
Most of the changes were to delete the keywords “wildlife” or “wild animals.”
...
For instance, the title of the ?database was changed that night from “Wildlife-borne viral pathogen database” to “Bat and rodent-borne viral pathogen database.”
“Wild animal” was replaced with “bat and rodent” or “bat and rat” at least 10 times in the database. Also, a reference to “arthropod vectors” was removed.
Keywords that might facilitate searches potentially connecting the database with the outbreak also were deleted. “Wild animal samples,” “viral pathogen data,” “emerging infectious diseases” and “cross-species infection” were keywords associated with the original version.
On Dec. 30 they were replaced with “bat,” “rodent” and “virus.”
“It looks like a rushed, inconsistent effort to disassociate the project from the outbreak by ?rebranding it,” says the British open-source intelligence analyst who found the alterations.
“It’s a strange thing to do within hours of being informed of a novel-coronavirus outbreak.”
He surmises: “If the WIV had found the missing link between bat virus RaTG13 and SARS-CoV-2 [the coronavirus that causes COVID-19] from an animal vector, it would have been in Shi’s database.”
...
https://nypost.com/2020/05/06/what-is-china-covering-up-about-the-coronavirus-devine/
By Miranda DevineMay 6, 2020 | 10:17pm
Days before the Wuhan wet market was bleached, whistleblowers were punished and virus samples were destroyed, someone at the high-security Wuhan Institute of Virology censored its virus database in an apparent attempt to disassociate the laboratory from a novel-coronavirus outbreak that would become a global pandemic.
This is what open-source intelligence uncovered in the United Kingdom reveals.
Substantial alterations to the WIV database on the evening of Dec. 30, the day before the World Health Organization was alerted to the outbreak of a cluster of pneumonia cases in Wuhan, are just another indication that the Chinese Communist Party is hiding something when it comes to the origins of COVID-19.
...
Most of the changes were to delete the keywords “wildlife” or “wild animals.”
...
For instance, the title of the ?database was changed that night from “Wildlife-borne viral pathogen database” to “Bat and rodent-borne viral pathogen database.”
“Wild animal” was replaced with “bat and rodent” or “bat and rat” at least 10 times in the database. Also, a reference to “arthropod vectors” was removed.
Keywords that might facilitate searches potentially connecting the database with the outbreak also were deleted. “Wild animal samples,” “viral pathogen data,” “emerging infectious diseases” and “cross-species infection” were keywords associated with the original version.
On Dec. 30 they were replaced with “bat,” “rodent” and “virus.”
“It looks like a rushed, inconsistent effort to disassociate the project from the outbreak by ?rebranding it,” says the British open-source intelligence analyst who found the alterations.
“It’s a strange thing to do within hours of being informed of a novel-coronavirus outbreak.”
He surmises: “If the WIV had found the missing link between bat virus RaTG13 and SARS-CoV-2 [the coronavirus that causes COVID-19] from an animal vector, it would have been in Shi’s database.”
...
https://nypost.com/2020/05/06/what-is-china-covering-up-about-the-coronavirus-devine/
Pathfinder
Editor, Senior Moderator
'Coronavirus did NOT come from animals in Wuhan market': Landmark study suggests it was taken into the area by someone already infected - as Beijing thwarts efforts to establish source of Covid-19
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By IAN BIRRELL FOR THE MAIL ON SUNDAY
PUBLISHED: 17:00 EDT, 16 May 2020 | UPDATED: 19:27 EDT, 16 May 2020
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The new research is clear in its finding. ‘The publicly available genetic data does not point to cross-species transmission of the virus at the market,’ said Alina Chan, a molecular biologist, and Shing Zhan, an evolutionary biologist. Their paper insists all routes for ‘zoonotic’ (animal to human) transmission – in this case from bats – must be examined. It says: ‘The possibility that a non-genetically engineered precursor could have adapted to humans while being studied in a laboratory should be considered.’
...
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...dy-Virus-didnt-come-animals-Wuhan-market.html
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SARS-CoV-2 is well adapted for humans. What does this mean for re-emergence?
View ORCID ProfileShing Hei Zhan, View ORCID ProfileBenjamin E. Deverman, View ORCID ProfileYujia Alina Chan
doi: https://doi.org/10.1101/2020.05.01.073262
This article is a preprint and has not been certified by peer review [what does this mean?].
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1....073262v1.full
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By IAN BIRRELL FOR THE MAIL ON SUNDAY
PUBLISHED: 17:00 EDT, 16 May 2020 | UPDATED: 19:27 EDT, 16 May 2020
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The new research is clear in its finding. ‘The publicly available genetic data does not point to cross-species transmission of the virus at the market,’ said Alina Chan, a molecular biologist, and Shing Zhan, an evolutionary biologist. Their paper insists all routes for ‘zoonotic’ (animal to human) transmission – in this case from bats – must be examined. It says: ‘The possibility that a non-genetically engineered precursor could have adapted to humans while being studied in a laboratory should be considered.’
...
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...dy-Virus-didnt-come-animals-Wuhan-market.html
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SARS-CoV-2 is well adapted for humans. What does this mean for re-emergence?
View ORCID ProfileShing Hei Zhan, View ORCID ProfileBenjamin E. Deverman, View ORCID ProfileYujia Alina Chan
doi: https://doi.org/10.1101/2020.05.01.073262
This article is a preprint and has not been certified by peer review [what does this mean?].
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1....073262v1.full
bertrand789
Well-known member
Evaluating Risks of Paramyxovirus and Coronavirus Emergence in China
Doctor of Philosophy
https://eprints.kingston.ac.uk/41781/1/Chmura-A.pdf
Doctor of Philosophy
https://eprints.kingston.ac.uk/41781/1/Chmura-A.pdf
sharon sanders
Editor-in-Chief & President
Yup....a tribunal....
Coalition of 62 countries back Australia's push for coronavirus pandemic probe
Australian Prime Minister Scott Morrison Source: AAP
India, Japan, Britain, Canada, New Zealand, Indonesia, Russia, and all 27 EU member states will back Australia's push for a probe into the coronavirus pandemic.
UPDATED 37 MINS AGO
Australia has received international backing for an independent coronavirus inquiry as trade tensions with China come under heavy strain.
More than 60 countries including Russia, Indonesia, India, Japan, Britain, Canada, New Zealand and all 27 European Union member states have co-sponsored the motion.
https://www.sbs.com.au/news/coalitio...pandemic-probe
Coalition of 62 countries back Australia's push for coronavirus pandemic probe
Australian Prime Minister Scott Morrison Source: AAP
India, Japan, Britain, Canada, New Zealand, Indonesia, Russia, and all 27 EU member states will back Australia's push for a probe into the coronavirus pandemic.
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Australia has received international backing for an independent coronavirus inquiry as trade tensions with China come under heavy strain.
More than 60 countries including Russia, Indonesia, India, Japan, Britain, Canada, New Zealand and all 27 European Union member states have co-sponsored the motion.
https://www.sbs.com.au/news/coalitio...pandemic-probe
Sally Furniss
Well-known member
The Australian first reported on New Zealand's inclusion on the list. It was later confirmed by Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern on The AM Show on Monday morning.
"We are part of a sensible call just from us to learn what we can from Covid-19," Ardern said.
We're not interested in blame, we're not interested in any kind of witch-hunt, we're just interested in learning."
Asked directly about the exclusion of China from the call's text, Ardern said she was "not involved in the drafting."
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/he...-independent-inquiry-into-outbreak-of-covid19
"We are part of a sensible call just from us to learn what we can from Covid-19," Ardern said.
We're not interested in blame, we're not interested in any kind of witch-hunt, we're just interested in learning."
Asked directly about the exclusion of China from the call's text, Ardern said she was "not involved in the drafting."
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/he...-independent-inquiry-into-outbreak-of-covid19
sharon sanders
Editor-in-Chief & President
and more....please remember these persons have not been convicted. These are arrests only:
Received 5 million USD in federal grants -
A University of Arkansas professor was arrested for wire fraud.
According to Charlie Robbins, spokesperson for the Western District of Arkansas Attorney’s Office, Simon Ang was arrested on a federal criminal complaint for one count of wire fraud.
The complaint charges that Ang had close ties with the Chinese government and Chinese companies, and failed to disclose those ties when required to do so in order to receive grant money from NASA. These materially false representations to NASA and the University of Arkansas resulted in numerous wires to be sent and received that facilitated Ang’s scheme to defraud.
https://www.nwahomepage.com/news/uni...-fraud-charge/
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Received 3.6 million USD in federal grants -
A Case Western Reserve University School of Medicine professor and former Cleveland Clinic employee was arrested Wednesday over his alleged ties to China.
The Justice Department announced that Qing Wang was arrested at his Shaker Heights, Ohio home as part of a joint operation conducted by the FBI and the Department of Health and Human Service Office of the Inspector-General. Wang was charged with wire fraud related to more than $3.6 million in grant funding that Wang and his research team at the Cleveland Clinic had received from the National Institutes of Health.
"Wang deliberately failed to disclose his Chinese grants and foreign positions and even engaged in a pervasive pattern of fraud to avoid criminal culpability.”
According to the criminal complaint, Wang failed to disclose affiliations with Chinese universities. He also allegedly failed to disclose that he had received grants from the National Natural Science Foundation of China for a nearly identical research project. He held the title Dean of the College of Life Sciences and Technology at Huazhong University of Science and Technology.
https://www.campusreform.org/?ID=14873
It is standard practice for researchers to disclose financial interests/conflicts. This way the casual observer can judge the researchers work product taking into consideration any financial incentives they might have.
Emily
Editor, Senior Moderator
Page 4 #11. Guess the previous 'politcal climate' was a free-for-all.
https://www.nwahomepage.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/90/2020/05/Doc-1-Complaint.pdf
https://www.nwahomepage.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/90/2020/05/Doc-1-Complaint.pdf
Pathfinder
Editor, Senior Moderator
THE CONTROVERSIAL EXPERIMENTS AND WUHAN LAB SUSPECTED OF STARTING THE CORONAVIRUS PANDEMIC
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In 2015, the Wuhan lab performed a gain of function experiment using cut-and-paste genetic engineering, in which scientists take a natural virus and directly make substitutions in its RNA coding to make it more transmissible. They took a piece of the original SARS virus and inserted a snippet from a SARS-like bat coronavirus, resulting in a virus that is capable of infecting human cells. A natural virus altered with these methods would be easily flagged in a genetic analysis, like a contemporary addition to an old Victorian house.
A virus produced with animal passage methods would be much harder to spot. These viruses are not directly manipulated. When the virus passes from one animal to the next, it undergoes something similar to what would happen in the wild during the course of its evolution. A wild coronavirus passed through 10 ferrets would be difficult to identify as having been engineered or manipulated.
There is no published record of animal-passage work on coronaviruses in the Wuhan Institute. The lab got its first BSL-4 lab in 2018, which is now considered a requirement for this kind of work (though some work proceeds in BSL-3-enhanced labs). It's possible that researchers started animal passage work in the BSL-4 lab but didn't finish it in time to publish before the current pandemic, when China tightened up on publications. It's possible that the work was done in secret. It's possible that it never happened at all. But some scientists think it's unlikely that an expensive BSL-4 lab would not be doing animal-passage research, which by 2018 was not unusual.
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Jonathan Eisen, an evolutionary biologist at UC Davis, says that the preponderance of evidence, while not definitive, suggests that the virus came from nature, not a lab. "There's no hint there that there's something unnatural, that is, genetically engineered or manipulated," he says. But "there is some wiggle room" in the findings that admits the possibility that the virus was concocted in a lab via animal passage. "Passaging is hard to test for. Escape from a lab is hard to test for," he says. "If [Wuhan researchers] collected something from the field and they were doing some experiments in the lab with it, and some person got infected and then it spread from there, that would be really hard to distinguish from it having spread in the field directly."
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https://www.newsweek.com/controversi...ndemic-1500503
The collaboration between Shi and Daszak started long time ago, at the time of the first SARS:
https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/12/12/06-0401_article [TABLE="class: Table"]
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[TD]Wang L, Shi Z, Zhang S, Field HE, Daszak P, Eaton BT. Review of Bats and SARS. Emerg Infect Dis. 2006;12(12):1834-1840. https://dx.doi.org/10.3201/eid1212.060401[/TD]
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Review of Bats and SARS
Animal Origin of SARS Coronaviruses Susceptible Animals in Markets and Laboratories Role of Masked Palm Civets SARS-like Coronaviruses in Bats
Abstract
Bats have been identified as a natural reservoir for an increasing number of emerging zoonotic viruses, including henipaviruses and variants of rabies viruses. Recently, we and another group independently identified several horseshoe bat species (genus Rhinolophus) as the reservoir host for a large number of viruses that have a close genetic relationship with the coronavirus associated with severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS). Our current research focused on the identification of the reservoir species for the progenitor virus of the SARS coronaviruses responsible for outbreaks during 2002–2003 and 2003–2004. In addition to SARS-like coronaviruses, many other novel bat coronaviruses, which belong to groups 1 and 2 of the 3 existing coronavirus groups, have been detected by PCR. The discovery of bat SARS-like coronaviruses and the great genetic diversity of coronaviruses in bats have shed new light on the origin and transmission of SARS coronaviruses.
And a more recent paper show how close was the collaboration between USA and China on the topic.
Smiley Evans, T., Shi, Z., Boots, M. et al. Synergistic China–US Ecological Research is Essential for Global Emerging Infectious Disease Preparedness. EcoHealth 17, 160–173 (2020). https://doi.org/10.1007/s10393-020-01471-2
Abstract
The risk of a zoonotic pandemic disease threatens hundreds of millions of people. Emerging infectious diseases also threaten livestock and wildlife populations around the world and can lead to devastating economic damages. China and the USA—due to their unparalleled resources, widespread engagement in activities driving emerging infectious diseases and national as well as geopolitical imperatives to contribute to global health security—play an essential role in our understanding of pandemic threats. Critical to efforts to mitigate risk is building upon existing investments in global capacity to develop training and research focused on the ecological factors driving infectious disease spillover from animals to humans. International cooperation, particularly between China and the USA, is essential to fully engage the resources and scientific strengths necessary to add this ecological emphasis to the pandemic preparedness strategy. Here, we review the world’s current state of emerging infectious disease preparedness, the ecological and evolutionary knowledge needed to anticipate disease emergence, the roles that China and the USA currently play as sources and solutions to mitigating risk, and the next steps needed to better protect the global community from zoonotic disease.
But for sure other countries were involved in the project as well.
https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/12/12/06-0401_article [TABLE="class: Table"]
[TR]
[TD] [/TD]
[TD]Wang L, Shi Z, Zhang S, Field HE, Daszak P, Eaton BT. Review of Bats and SARS. Emerg Infect Dis. 2006;12(12):1834-1840. https://dx.doi.org/10.3201/eid1212.060401[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
Review of Bats and SARS
Animal Origin of SARS Coronaviruses Susceptible Animals in Markets and Laboratories Role of Masked Palm Civets SARS-like Coronaviruses in Bats
Abstract
Bats have been identified as a natural reservoir for an increasing number of emerging zoonotic viruses, including henipaviruses and variants of rabies viruses. Recently, we and another group independently identified several horseshoe bat species (genus Rhinolophus) as the reservoir host for a large number of viruses that have a close genetic relationship with the coronavirus associated with severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS). Our current research focused on the identification of the reservoir species for the progenitor virus of the SARS coronaviruses responsible for outbreaks during 2002–2003 and 2003–2004. In addition to SARS-like coronaviruses, many other novel bat coronaviruses, which belong to groups 1 and 2 of the 3 existing coronavirus groups, have been detected by PCR. The discovery of bat SARS-like coronaviruses and the great genetic diversity of coronaviruses in bats have shed new light on the origin and transmission of SARS coronaviruses.
And a more recent paper show how close was the collaboration between USA and China on the topic.
Smiley Evans, T., Shi, Z., Boots, M. et al. Synergistic China–US Ecological Research is Essential for Global Emerging Infectious Disease Preparedness. EcoHealth 17, 160–173 (2020). https://doi.org/10.1007/s10393-020-01471-2
Abstract
The risk of a zoonotic pandemic disease threatens hundreds of millions of people. Emerging infectious diseases also threaten livestock and wildlife populations around the world and can lead to devastating economic damages. China and the USA—due to their unparalleled resources, widespread engagement in activities driving emerging infectious diseases and national as well as geopolitical imperatives to contribute to global health security—play an essential role in our understanding of pandemic threats. Critical to efforts to mitigate risk is building upon existing investments in global capacity to develop training and research focused on the ecological factors driving infectious disease spillover from animals to humans. International cooperation, particularly between China and the USA, is essential to fully engage the resources and scientific strengths necessary to add this ecological emphasis to the pandemic preparedness strategy. Here, we review the world’s current state of emerging infectious disease preparedness, the ecological and evolutionary knowledge needed to anticipate disease emergence, the roles that China and the USA currently play as sources and solutions to mitigating risk, and the next steps needed to better protect the global community from zoonotic disease.
But for sure other countries were involved in the project as well.