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Discussion: Chinese Academy of Sciences (CAS) in Wuhan has been working with bats and coronavirus for many years - DNA manipulations, cloning.... - Ja

China state media refutes lab origination theory. Again, FluTrackers is not political. We post denials.

My bolding in text.


Spray poison to create rumors! Pompeo was named for the fifth time by "Newscast"


May 04, 2020 21:19 Beijing Daily Client





  Original title: spray poison to create rumors! Pompeo was named for the fifth time by "Newscast"

  On May 3, U.S. Secretary of State Pompeo accepted an interview with ABC, claiming that "there is a lot of evidence" that the new coronavirus came from a laboratory in Wuhan, but could not produce substantive evidence. Change, not hesitate to "dump the pot in China" by means of rumours.
  Today, "News Network" broadcast comments to fight back, the words are rare and harsh. The comment said, "Evil Pompeio is rampant in front of science!" This is the fifth time in a row that Pompeo has been criticized by the name "Newscast".
  Pompeo changed his tone many times
  Self-contradictory rumors without bottom line
  On the 3rd, US Secretary of State Pompeo accepted an interview with the American Broadcasting Company (ABC), stating that "there is a lot of evidence" that the new coronavirus came from a laboratory in Wuhan, but did not mention where the evidence was. "The best experts currently believe that (viruses) are artificial, and I have no reason not to believe them now.
  However, Pompeo's remarks were "slapped" by the U.S. intelligence service he once worked with. On April 30, the United States Intelligence Community, which led 16 intelligence agencies across the United States, first spoke about the origin of the virus and agreed with a broad consensus in the scientific community that the new coronavirus "is neither artificial nor genetically modified."
  When pointed out this contradiction, Pompeo again called "Tai Chi": "I have read the report of the intelligence department, and I have no reason to think they are wrong."
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  It is worth mentioning that Pompeo's tone of origin about the virus changed suddenly within three days. In an interview with the American media on April 30, he still said: "We don't know if the (virus) comes from the Wuhan Virus Research Institute, the seafood market or somewhere else, we have no answer."
  Now Pompeo suddenly says there is "a lot of evidence", it seems that he is echoing Trump. At a press conference on the 30th, the US president insisted that "there is evidence that the virus came from the Wuhan Laboratory", but he kept silent about the virus "whether it was artificial" and said, "I cannot tell you what the evidence is."
  At a press conference on May 3, Trump went further without evidence, insisting that "I think they (Wuhan Research Institute) made a terrible mistake, but they didn't want to admit it."
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Trump claimed on the 30th that he "has evidence to believe that the virus came from the Wuhan Laboratory", but cannot say video screenshots


  The New York Times quoted people familiar with the situation as saying that since the outbreak, Pompeo, who had served as the director of the CIA, has taken the lead to pressure US intelligence agencies to force the virus to be related to the Wuhan laboratory. However, from the follow-up development, it clearly failed.
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  Four reasons for American experts to refute
  WHO emphasizes that viruses come from nature
  Regarding the conspiracy theory about "laboratory leaking virus", Yuan Zhiming, director of Wuhan P4 Laboratory, made it clear in an interview with Reuters on April 28 that the laboratory has advanced protective facilities and strict measures to ensure the safety of personnel and the environment And is committed to information transparency.
  There are also scientific researchers in the United States. Jonna Mazet, a professor at the University of California at Davis and an expert in epidemiology and disease ecology, has worked with researchers in the Wuhan P4 laboratory including Shi Zhengli. She told "Business Insider" on May 2 that the two sides have worked together to develop very strict safety standards, "It is extremely unlikely that a laboratory accident will leak", and gives four reasons:
  First, the gene sequence of the new coronavirus does not match other coronavirus samples known in the laboratory. Shi Zhengli made this clear in his April 27 article in Scientific American. Mazete said: "I recently spoke with her (Shi Zhengli), and she was absolutely certain that the (new crown) virus had never been identified before the outbreak."
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"Business Insider" reported on May 2 local time


  Second, the laboratory adopted very strict safety standards, including additional personal protective equipment and thorough disinfection of laboratory equipment. Any samples taken from bats will undergo special treatment to ensure that researchers are exposed to non-infectious and inactivated samples.
  The third point is that the epidemic caused by animal-to-human transmission has a long history, and the new coronavirus is the latest and the seventh in the past century. Experts believe that the virus is more likely to be transmitted to humans through the intermediate host of animals than the leak, just like the previous Ebola and "SARS" epidemic. Chinese researchers discovered in February that 96% of the new coronavirus gene sequences are similar to bat virus strains.
  Finally, Mazette mentioned that ordinary people are more susceptible to viruses than laboratory researchers. Shi Zhengli's team wears protection when searching for bat samples in caves and in the wild. Tourists, hunters, poachers, or people who trade in food are less protected in the same environment and are more likely to be infected. Peter Daszak, the head of the non-governmental organization Eco-Health Alliance, revealed that his colleagues' survey in Southeast Asia found that between 1 million and 7 million people are exposed to the risk of animal-to-human diseases every year.
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Mazet chart from social media


  Mazete believes that the most important thing before the epidemic is cooperation, and the US government's "dump pot" and the "circulated laboratory leak theory" that have been circulated may hinder future scientific cooperation and information sharing between China and the United States. This is very important for the traceability, prediction and prevention of the next outbreak of the new coronavirus.
  In response to a few politicians advocating the new coronavirus "virus laboratory in Wuhan", the head of the World Health Organization's health emergency project, Michael Ryan, said at a press conference on May 1 "Where did the new coronavirus found in Wuhan come from We constantly listen to the opinions of countless scientists who have studied gene sequences and viruses, and we are pretty sure that this virus originated from nature.
  "News Network" Yanci hit back
  Pompeo was named for the fifth time
  On May 4, Pompeio's fallacy, "Newscast" broadcast comments to fight back, the words are rare and harsh. The comment said, "Evil Pompeio blasts poison in front of science!"
  In the face of the unanimous conclusion that the emerging new coronavirus in the global scientific community stems from nature, American politicians may not find the "new material" that smears China, and they lie rashly and repeatedly spread "laboratory virus leaks" and "man-made viruses" Wait for rumors. U.S. Secretary of State Pompeo recaptured his self-made lies in an interview with the media on the 3rd, saying that "there is a lot of evidence that the (virus) is from the Wuhan laboratory"
  Ironically, just when US politicians claimed to "see evidence", the US National Intelligence Director's Office issued a statement saying that "the new virus is not artificial or genetically modified."
  In fact, the so-called "conspiracy theory" that the virus originated in the laboratory was rejected by people in the international scientific community and the public health community at the outset. "The epidemic is a natural disaster" is already a consensus of the international community. More and more scientific studies strongly refute the "conspiracy theory" of the origin of the virus.
  There is a sinister plot behind the American political politician's political slapstick.
  Unjust is doomed to destruction. Whether it's a decision-making mistake that led to a major defeat in this national defense epidemic, or a "political virus" that undermines global cooperation, the actions of American politicians are writing an ugly stroke in history. If you let evil politicians like Pompeo continue to swindle and cheat, America's "greatness again" may only be a joke!
  It is worth noting that this is the fifth time that Pompeo has been criticized by the name "Newscast". From April 27 to April 30, "Newscast" broadcasted six blockbuster comments in a row, of which five of the protagonists were Pompeo. Of the 5 articles, 4 articles directly clicked on the name "Pompeo"-
  On April 27, " International Review: Pompeio, who spread the" political virus ", is turning himself into a human enemy ."
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  On April 28, " International Sharp Review: Pompeo carrying" Four Deadly Sins "has broken through the bottom line of being a man ", " Xinhua Times Review: Pompeo's Absurd Logic Contains Distress ".
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  On April 29, " People's Daily Bell Article: How long will such a poor performance last?" "," International Sharp Review: How many American politicians eager to "scratch the pot" want to hide the truth of the epidemic? ".
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  On April 30, " International Sharp Review: An attempt to intimidate WHO's Pompeo is clamoring for the world ."
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  Viruses are the common enemy of all mankind. The United States has not pinpointed its true enemies, but has blindly attacked and discredited other countries. Pompeo's "spraying" diplomacy is tantamount to solving problems and will only cause more people to lose their lives. Using countless fresh lives as a bet to win votes for re-election, this approach is not only short-sighted, it is also called evil!



https://news.sina.com.cn/c/2020-05-0...i1327314.shtml
 
est-ce une pi?ce de ce dossier:
"Selon elle, si la d?cision fut ?difficile? ? prendre, elle ?tait in?vitable pour ?assurer la s?curit? du personnel charg? des animaux, et pour le bien-?tre des colonies conserv?es?."

...
Des milliers d’autres, aux Etats-Unis et ? travers le monde, ont drastiquement r?duit, ces derni?res semaines, leur population de rongeurs, en interdisant leur reproduction, en gelant les achats et, en dernier recours, en euthanasiant les populations jug?es non essentielles.
...
A ce jour, seuls les rongeurs – qui repr?sentent 95% des exp?rimentations animales et ne sont pas prot?g?s par la loi f?d?rale am?ricaine sur le traitement des animaux de laboratoire – ont ?t? euthanasi?s. Chiens, chats, reptiles et primates semblent ?pargn?s.
...
Pour Shalin Gala, de Peta, le simple fait que les chercheurs consid?rent, en ces temps de Covid-19, que certains animaux puissent ?tre euthanasi?s parce que jug?s ?non essentiels? est la preuve que ces animaux n’auraient jamais d? se retrouver dans un laboratoire. Selon lui, ?90% des r?sultats prometteurs dans la recherche scientifique de base – impliquant pour la plupart des exp?riences sur les animaux – n’aboutissent pas ? des traitements efficaces pour les humains?.
...
https://www.letemps.ch/sciences/tris...temps-pandemie
 
TWIV 609
Susan Weiss is hard to understand for me, speaks quickly.
Paper by Co-Weiss about lab-escape ?,
human-made is rediculous.
Idiots.(Rich?)
probably an intermediate species
they'll probably find it out
oc43 from rodents , alphacoronaviruses in bats in US
23:50 asymptomatic
32:50 immunity (no mention of the Charite, common cold immunity)
----------------------------------------------------
my (gsgs) evidence for a lab escape :
Shi's concern before she say the sequences that it may have come from the lab
Wuhan location , coincidence ? How many cities in China
Oct.2019 the Holmes et.al. Yunnan mission ended , coincidence ?
can't find the source in animals in Wuhan
secrecy, no international examination, no reports about safety, figuring out things
we never had a coronavirus pandemic before --> only happens by research
TWIV = biased, history, concerned about the research-community, not the rest of mankind -
"Fouchier Kawaoke" in 2012ff ]
I'm at 30% research-related , 70% natural (Australia said 5%:95%) , Pompeo ~80:20 ??)
----------------------------------------------------

42:00 furin probably nor responsible for pathogenity
2 cleavage sites
MHV=mouse hepatitis virus ?
replication cycle <12h
59:22 ; 382-deletion, <1min
1:03: sars3,4,... yes
1:05 how many viruses to infect
Drosten : >100000 needed
MHV : 1 in the brain , 1000 in the liver
1:08:30 summaries TK's comments Kiki's: Chiki's?
 
Sharon, you wrote that long post #79 ? Alone ? or "we" = some flutrackers consensus . I haven't yet read all of it, mostly looks OK

the RaTG13 is still decades away, the market disinfection was presumably just Wuhan safety concern, did Beijing order it ?
 
est-ce une pi?ce de ce dossier:
"Selon elle, si la d?cision fut ?difficile? ? prendre, elle ?tait in?vitable pour ?assurer la s?curit? du personnel charg? des animaux, et pour le bien-?tre des colonies conserv?es?."

...
Des milliers d’autres, aux Etats-Unis et ? travers le monde, ont drastiquement r?duit, ces derni?res semaines, leur population de rongeurs, en interdisant leur reproduction, en gelant les achats et, en dernier recours, en euthanasiant les populations jug?es non essentielles.
...
A ce jour, seuls les rongeurs – qui repr?sentent 95% des exp?rimentations animales et ne sont pas prot?g?s par la loi f?d?rale am?ricaine sur le traitement des animaux de laboratoire – ont ?t? euthanasi?s. Chiens, chats, reptiles et primates semblent ?pargn?s.
...
Pour Shalin Gala, de Peta, le simple fait que les chercheurs consid?rent, en ces temps de Covid-19, que certains animaux puissent ?tre euthanasi?s parce que jug?s ?non essentiels? est la preuve que ces animaux n’auraient jamais d? se retrouver dans un laboratoire. Selon lui, ?90% des r?sultats prometteurs dans la recherche scientifique de base – impliquant pour la plupart des exp?riences sur les animaux – n’aboutissent pas ? des traitements efficaces pour les humains?.
...
https://www.letemps.ch/sciences/tris...temps-pandemie

Most of the mass culling of laboratory mice going in the U.S. seems due to the inability to properly look after them because of staff shortages. I found an article in English about this:
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020...virus-pandemic
...And Hutchinson says he hopes his efforts at Johns Hopkins to preserve as many mice as possible will help scientists rapidly return to their research. “It puts more strain on our staff to be ready for that, but we’ve had Nobel Prize winners volunteer to come in and clean cages just to keep things running,” he says. “If we have to shelter in place, we’ve got cots and food here just in case.

But at some labs scientists are getting orders from administrators to cull their mice even though it seems that they are not short staffed.

Shin, a microbial immunologist at the University of Pennsylvania Perelman School of Medicine, had to deliver the bad news to her lab manager: Euthanize 200 mice—more than three-quarters of their research animals—as quickly as possible. Many of the rodents had come from Europe and Asia, and it had taken years to obtain them and breed them for the genotypes the lab needs to study how the immune system responds to bacterial invaders. “It was heartbreaking,” Shin says, “scientifically and emotionally.”

I've wondered about a novel bat coronavirus get out of control and infecting mice with humanized immune systems being used for HIV research.

They have mice like that in labs, including in Wuhan:

CCR5 editing by Staphylococcus aureus Cas9 in human primary CD4[SUP]+[/SUP] T cells and hematopoietic stem/progenitor cells promotes HIV-1 resistance and CD4[SUP]+[/SUP] T cell enrichment in humanized mice

FIG. 6 shows the detection of the activity of the N6-CAR transduced CD8[SUP]+[/SUP] T lymphocytes of the present invention in killing HIV-infected cells in humanized mice.
 

Thank you! "Studies in humanized ACE2 (hACE2) mice" - I wondered if that was done, too. Now here is one for you -
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-018-22899-1
Bat-mouse bone marrow chimera: a novel animal model for dissecting the uniqueness of the bat immune system

Over the last decade, there has been a wave of high-impact research carried out on cross-species engraftment, such as, the stable reconstitution of human immune system in immunodeficient mice (humanized mouse models)[SUP]25,26[/SUP]. The development of immunodeficient mice has provided the opportunity to utilize small animal models for the study of many in vivo human-specific immune responses[SUP]27[/SUP]
....
Unlike the optimised humanized mouse model, our bat-mice were created with crude whole bone marrow cells without any hematopoietic stem cell modification[SUP]29,55[/SUP]
....
In conclusion, while we are fully aware that bat research is only at its infancy, we are still facing an uphill battle to generate bat-specific research tools, especially antibodies. The novel bat-mouse model generated in this study represents a major technical advancement in recent years and we are confident that this will accelerate many aspects of bat research internationally in the near future....

Maybe the moon would be a safe place to do bat research in wet labs.

20893936.jpg
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/20893936-batmouse#
 
Coming back to the Gain Of Function studies:

https://www.futuremedicine.com/doi/full/10.2217/fvl-2017-0143

Is regulation preventing the development of therapeutics that may prevent future coronavirus pandemics?


Timothy P Sheahan
&Ralph S Baric


If you google the grants for this project, this is one of the articles supported by the same money:

https://europepmc.org/article/med/30531947

Origin and evolution of pathogenic coronaviruses.
Cui J[SUP]1[/SUP],Li F[SUP]2[/SUP],
Zheng-Li Shi CAS Key Laboratory of Special Pathogens and Biosafety, Wuhan Institute of Virology, Chinese Academy of Sciences, Wuhan, Hubei, China.


Interesting connection.
 
Coming back to the Gain Of Function studies:

https://www.futuremedicine.com/doi/full/10.2217/fvl-2017-0143

Is regulation preventing the development of therapeutics that may prevent future coronavirus pandemics?


Timothy P Sheahan
&Ralph S Baric


If you google the grants for this project, this is one of the articles supported by the same money:

https://europepmc.org/article/med/30531947

Origin and evolution of pathogenic coronaviruses.
Cui J[SUP]1[/SUP],Li F[SUP]2[/SUP],
Zheng-Li Shi CAS Key Laboratory of Special Pathogens and Biosafety, Wuhan Institute of Virology, Chinese Academy of Sciences, Wuhan, Hubei, China.


Interesting connection.

If you mean the NIH funding, they of course will be blinded to the possibility of a lab accident.
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/...he-coronavirus-was-made-in-a-chinese-lab-cvd/
Fauci interview. (Love the super-creepy photo NG did.)
Sure, but what if scientists found the virus outside the lab, brought it back, and then it escaped?

But that means it was in the wild to begin with. That's why I don't get what they're talking about [and] why I don't spend a lot of time going in on this circular argument.

If that is the case then it does matter because if scientists had not gone virus hunting in the wild, we wouldn't have this nightmare now! This particular virus may have never entered human circulation. He knows that. At least there is one scientist who took the time to come up with a plausible scenario for a 'natural', (if there is any such thing anymore), spillover event. It is complex and involves a train ride, but it makes a lot more sense to me than another tired wet market theory.

He gets to the good stuff at entry #4 for May 2.

http://virological.org/t/tackling-rumors-of-a-suspicious-origin-of-ncov2019/384/12
 
On nous dit que le virus ?volue et peut ?voluer vers un moins ou plus, certains aspects. Certaines lign?es cellulaires et animales et pratiques de laboratoires me semblent faites pour tester cela: faire en moins de temps*.
Dans ce cas, on a cr?? le cadre pour que les cycles viraux soient optimis?s, mais on n'agit pas sur ce qui va se produire, sauf d'avoir cr?? le cadre .

La question deviens: quand certains ?crivent qu'il faudrait dans la nature x ann?es, on peut mimer cela en combien de temps en laboratoire ?

j'aimerai disposer de cette donn?e quand je lis certains articles de g?nomique ...

L'autre question est : avoir cr?? le cadre, doit ?tre vu comme une action ou une non action ?

Je dis aussi cela, car quand on cr?e ce genre de cadre, on doit r?guli?rement v?rifier que le produit est identique ? ce que l'on a sem? ?

*cela peut ?tre pr?sent? autrement , bien s?r, disposer de virus, etc ...
 
@Emily
Back to the furin cleavage site:

One can believe in the train theory and natural recombination of HKU9 with some other viruses SARS-CoV-2- like never seen before (beside RaTG13)

OR

could believe in the conspiracy theory that, beside the RaTG13-like virus and the pangolin virus (RBD), also the furin cleavage site from a HKU9-like virus was mixed in a lab to produce the SARS-CoV-2 chimera. That is not difficult, you can follow the instruction given here by Baric.

https://patentimages.storage.googlea...15143335A1.pdf

Nonlimiting examples of a subgroup 2d coronavirus of this invention include
BtCoV.HKU9.2 (GenBank Accession No. EF065514), BtCoV.HKU9.1 (GenBank Accession
No. NC_009021), BtCoV.HkU9.3 (GenBank Accession No. EF065515), BtCoV.HKU9.4
(GenBank Accession No. EF065516), as well as any other subgroup 2d coronavirus now
known (e.g., as can be found in the GenBank? Database) or later identified, and any
combination thereof.


Review from Shi from 2019, I posted before https://europepmc.org/article/med/30531947 says:

In addition to receptor binding, proteolytic cleavage of S and potentially other mutations that affect virion and trimer stability may also be important for virus transmissibility in different hosts, and these factors need to be studied further.

@bertrand789 I am so sorry, I do not understand French. I really would like to.
 
if Kathy ask, I have to do. Here's will be the first time .

We are told that the virus evolves and can evolve towards a less or more, some part. Some cell and animal lines and laboratory practices seem to me made to test this: to do in less time *.
In this case, we created the framework so that the viral cycles are optimized, but we do not act on what will happen, except to have created the framework.

The question becomes: when some write that it would take in nature x years, we can mimic that in how long in the laboratory?

I would like to have this data when I read certain genomics articles ...

The other question is: having created the framework, should be seen as an action or a non-action?

I also say that, because when we create this kind of frame, we must regularly check that the product is identical to what we sowed?

* it can be presented differently, of course, have viruses, etc ...

Des rats et des Hommes

L'association Targa propose ? l'adoption de curieuses petites b?tes. Une situation pour le moins atypique pour le refuge animalier.
https://www.estrepublicain.fr/editio...-et-des-hommes
 
@Emily
Back to the furin cleavage site:

One can believe in the train theory and natural recombination of HKU9 with some other viruses SARS-CoV-2- like never seen before (beside RaTG13)

OR

could believe in the conspiracy theory that, beside the RaTG13-like virus and the pangolin virus (RBD), also the furin cleavage site from a HKU9-like virus was mixed in a lab to produce the SARS-CoV-2 chimera. That is not difficult, you can follow the instruction given here by Baric.

https://patentimages.storage.googlea...15143335A1.pdf

Nonlimiting examples of a subgroup 2d coronavirus of this invention include
BtCoV.HKU9.2 (GenBank Accession No. EF065514), BtCoV.HKU9.1 (GenBank Accession
No. NC_009021), BtCoV.HkU9.3 (GenBank Accession No. EF065515), BtCoV.HKU9.4
(GenBank Accession No. EF065516), as well as any other subgroup 2d coronavirus now
known (e.g., as can be found in the GenBank? Database) or later identified, and any
combination thereof.


Review from Shi from 2019, I posted before https://europepmc.org/article/med/30531947 says:

In addition to receptor binding, proteolytic cleavage of S and potentially other mutations that affect virion and trimer stability may also be important for virus transmissibility in different hosts, and these factors need to be studied further.

@bertrand789 I am so sorry, I do not understand French. I really would like to.

It concerns me that the patent suggests the work was done under BSL2 since the Venezuelan Equine Encephalitis Virus was attenuated. What about the 2 human MERS strains and the bat strains? And then this - the collection location is a private home in Chapel Hill with a heavily wooded lot and Mus Musculus is the common house mouse!!! The work was done in mice....could this have escaped?

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/biosample/3386974
Viral sample from Coronaviridae


IdentifiersBioSample: SAMN03386974; Sample name: HKU3-SRBD-MAv; SRA: SRS898836OrganismCoronaviridae
Viruses; Riboviria; Nidovirales; CornidovirineaePackageVirus; version 1.0Attributes [TABLE="class: docsum"]
[TR]
[TD]2014-05-01[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Ralph Baric[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]USA: Chapel Hill, North Carolina[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Recombinant[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]35.92 N 79.04 W[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Not known, respiratory disease[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]virulent[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Mus musculus[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]missing[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
BioProjectPRJNA277369
Retrieve all samples from this project
 
@bertrand789 Thank you so much for your effort to communicate in English!
I have found two articles on possible use of ferrets and tree shrew as infection and transmission animal models for SARS-CoV-2


https://www.cell.com/pb-assets/journ...5_preproof.pdf

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1...080v1.full.pdf

It is an interesting question to know how faster a virus could mutate during cell passages and in animal models in comparison to natural conditions. I can imagine that the whole process gets faster, but I am not an expert in this field.

@Emily: I am mostly concerned that Fauci says that SARS-CoV-2 can only come from nature, when the virologists have all the tools since years to manipulate this group of viruses almost as they want. He should be aware of this.

I have two informative videos to share:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZUJhKUbd0k

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmSC...ature=youtu.be
 
Kathy, thank you, it's a very good bike. Working on this kind of bike, internet and garden, are very important thing ... If you want, they say best thing, ask them to speak about pig in China or every where else...When you speak about pig, you have to be serious...

I never expected to receive such pearls

--
 
Whoever is circulating these rumors is likely trying to make sure she can't escape even if she would want to do so. They want her constantly watched.

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/dip...gist-centre-coronavirus-came-laboratory-claim
Chinese virologist at centre of ‘coronavirus came from a laboratory’ claim denies defecting
  • ‘No matter how difficult things are, there will not be a ‘defector’ situation,’ Shi Zhengli says on WeChat
  • Dismissal comes amid online rumours she and her family were seeking refuge at US embassy in Paris
Sarah Zheng
Published: 4:29pm, 2 May, 2020
Updated: 11:52am, 4 May, 2020
...

“No matter how difficult things are, there will not be a ‘defector’ situation as the rumours have said,” Shi wrote.
“We have not done anything wrong and we continue to have strong faith in science. There must be a day when the clouds part and the sun comes out.”
...
Rumours circulated online claimed Shi and her family had smuggled hundreds of confidential documents out of the country and were seeking refuge at the United States embassy in Paris....
 
Thanks, Kathy. I'll try to look at those. I agree that there appears to be the ability to engineer a virus like SARS2 if someone wanted to. I think I read that the head of the Wuhan lab also was saying nobody is smart enough to do that.

P.S. Watched the J.C. video and thought it was well-done. He's amazing being able to cover technical material in such a clear way while biking like that.
 
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Regarding the unexpected collection location in post #99, it could be part of a new paradigm in research with mice.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5879722/
News Feature: What happens when lab animals go wild

Carolyn Beans, Science Writer

Experiments on mice living in more natural habitats can deliver results dramatically different from those in traditional laboratories—with profound implications for biomedical science.
In the summer of 2015, a pioneering band of laboratory mice did something their ancestors hadn’t done for roughly 1,000 generations—they went outside...

The mice are caged outside but it still seems a bit risky if this was done with mice vaccinated or challenged with a virulent live virus.
 
we are moving forward a little. If you wish to recover live viruses in the sewers of NY, ask kathy, they will tell you that they have rat or mouse lines, or, etc. must be kept in a cage in these sewers, for eight days to have a good result?

It's easy to verify, right?
 
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