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Dead Birds Close Downtown Austin (TX)

ONE dead bird to Ames?

ONE dead bird to Ames?

Is this standard protocol -- to only send one bird to be tested for viruses? I would send more if I wanted to be sure.....
 
Re: Dead Birds Close Downtown Austin (TX)

If it is a contagion, many more deceased birds will be found very quickly....long before lab analysis results are reported.
 
Re: Dead Birds Close Downtown Austin (TX)

Maybe the birds died in Austin because they ate some of that nasty grain in Idaho. :D
 
Re: Dead Birds Close Downtown Austin (TX)

niman said:
Dead Birds Prompt Downtown Austin Shutdown

[snip]

He said at least one carcass was being tested locally and others were being shipped to the CDC and Texas A&M University for testing. It could be days or even weeks before the test results come back, Valadez said.

[snip]

http://www.woai.com/mostpopular/story.aspx?content_id=b7a2bb04-25a1-4d1a-90b2-2906e617fd22

Not many reports mention the CDC. I thought the same thing at first; that they only sent 1 bird!
 
Re: Dead Birds Close Downtown Austin (TX)

rutsuyasun said:
Not many reports mention the CDC. I thought the same thing at first; that they only sent 1 bird!
He meant the USDA facility in Ames, Iowa.
 
Re: ONE dead bird to Ames?

Re: ONE dead bird to Ames?

scottmcpherson said:
Is this standard protocol -- to only send one bird to be tested for viruses? I would send more if I wanted to be sure.....


I was thinking the same thing, in Hong Kong only one of the six birds tested positive for H5N1, was that because they only tested one or because the other 5 tested negative.

This whole testing thing has me irritated, we can put a man on the moon, but we can't come up with an accurate test for H5N1. Many infected patients that have H5N1 have tested negative multiple times before finally testing positive sometimes that positive doesn't come until after they are dead.
 
I feel better now...

I feel better now...

Early wire stories only had the one dead bird going out for testing. I have now seen follow-up stories talking about dead birds headed to CDC in Atlanta.
 
Re: Dead Birds Close Downtown Austin (TX)

Heart of downtown Austin, Texas, closed after dozens of birds found dead
<TABLE width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD colSpan=2></TD></TR><TR><TD colSpan=2>Jim Vertuno</TD></TR><TR><TD colSpan=2>Canadian Press</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
Monday, January 08, 2007

<!--begin story text-->AUSTIN, Texas (AP) - Police shut down 10 blocks of businesses in the heart of downtown Monday morning after dozens of birds were found dead in the streets, but officials said preliminary tests showed no air quality problems and the area reopened around 1 p.m.
As many as 60 dead pigeons, sparrows and blackbirds were found overnight along Congress Avenue, a main route through downtown. No human injuries or illnesses were reported.
"We do not feel there is a threat to the public health," said Adolfo Valadez, the medical director for Austin and Travis County Health and Human Services.
He said preliminary air-quality tests showed no dangerous chemicals, though the dead birds would be sent for further testing to rule out viruses or poison.
Experts at the Cornell Lab of Ornithology and the National Audubon Society said the most likely cause was a deliberate poisoning of the troublesome blackbirds, also called grackles, which is more common than people think. It's also legal, with local permits, said Greg Butcher, director of bird conservation at the Audubon in Washington.
Austin officials were smart to take it so seriously, though, Butcher said, because birds' "requirements for life are pretty similar to our requirements for life" so they can serve as an early warning for risks to human health.
On Congress Avenue, just beyond the state Capitol steps, emergency workers donned yellow hazardous-material suits Monday morning, and dozens of fire trucks and ambulances were parked nearby.
Workers collected dead birds off the roadway and tested for possible environmental contaminants and for any gas or chlorine leaks, said police spokeswoman Toni Chovanetz. At least one bird carcass was being tested locally for other possible causes, and others were shipped to Texas A&M University.
Valadez said the tests, expected to take several days, would look for signs of poisoning or viral infections, though he said officials do not think bird flu is involved.
A 10-block stretch of Congress Avenue, several side streets and all buildings in the area were shut down and declared off-limits as a precaution, Chovanetz said.
The street closure stretched from just outside the Capitol to a section of the Colorado River known as Town Lake. The Capitol opened on schedule Monday, the day before the legislative session was to begin.
On the East Coast, New York City also had a scare Monday morning when a mysterious gas odour moved across Manhattan. It wasn't immediately clear what had caused the odour, and it dissipated fairly quickly. No injuries or dead wildlife were reported.

http://www.canada.com/components/print.aspx?id=caed3055-88f5-4ce7-aa99-a4fd86b43092&k=45967
<!--end story text-->
 
Re: Dead Birds Close Downtown Austin (TX)

Florida1 said:
This is standard protocol.

Could you please post the protocol? I think it may clear up some questions. Are the protocols determined by city, state, fed? Depts. involved? This mass death of birds, by necessity, is being handled differently than the Idaho ducks - being in a city versus rural environment.
 
Re: Dead Birds Close Downtown Austin (TX)

Downtown Austin Reopens After Bird Deaths

POSTED: 3:38 pm EST January 8, 2007
UPDATED: 3:43 pm EST January 8, 2007

AUSTIN, Texas -- Police shut down 10 blocks of businesses in the heart of downtown Monday morning after dozens of birds were found dead in the streets, but officials said preliminary tests showed no air quality problems and the area reopened around 1 p.m.

As many as 60 dead pigeons, sparrows and grackles were found overnight along Congress Avenue, a main route through downtown. No human injuries or illnesses were reported.

"We do not feel there is a threat to the public health," said Adolfo Valadez, the medical director for Austin and Travis County Health and Human Services.


He said preliminary air-quality tests showed no dangerous chemicals, though the dead birds would be sent for further testing to rule out viruses or poison.

Experts at the Cornell Lab of Ornithology and the National Audubon Society said the most likely cause was a deliberate poisoning of the troublesome grackles, which is more common than people think. It's also legal, with local permits, said Greg Butcher, director of bird conservation at the Audubon in Washington.

Austin officials were smart to take it so seriously, though, Butcher said, because birds' "requirements for life are pretty similar to our requirements for life" so they can serve as an early warning for risks to human health.

On Congress Avenue, just beyond the state Capitol steps, emergency workers donned yellow hazardous-material suits Monday morning, and dozens of fire trucks and ambulances were parked nearby.

Workers collected dead birds off the roadway and tested for possible environmental contaminants and for any gas or chlorine leaks, said police spokeswoman Toni Chovanetz. At least one bird carcass was being tested locally for other possible causes, and others were shipped to Texas A&M University.

Valadez said the tests, expected to take several days, would look for signs of poisoning or viral infections, though he said officials do not think bird flu is involved.

A 10-block stretch of Congress Avenue, several side streets and all buildings in the area were shut down and declared off-limits as a precaution, Chovanetz said.

The street closure stretched from just outside the Capitol to a section of the Colorado River known as Town Lake. The Capitol opened on schedule Monday, the day before the legislative session was to begin.

On the East Coast, New York City also had a scare Monday morning when a mysterious gas odor moved across Manhattan. It wasn't immediately clear what had caused the odor, and it dissipated fairly quickly. No injuries or dead wildlife were reported.

http://www.theindychannel.com/news/10697439/detail.html
 
Re: Dead Birds Close Downtown Austin (TX)

Experts at the Cornell Lab of Ornithology and the National Audubon Society said the most likely cause was a deliberate poisoning of the troublesome blackbirds, also called grackles, which is more common than people think. It's also legal, with local permits, said Greg Butcher, director of bird conservation at the Audubon in Washington.

I would think this could be ruled in or out as a cause quite quickly. Was a permit issued or not?
 
Re: Dead Birds Close Downtown Austin (TX)

unpathedhaunt said:
Maybe the birds died in Austin because they ate some of that nasty grain in Idaho. :D
Funny! But seriously, it was the Texmex....
 
Re: Dead Birds Close Downtown Austin (TX)

unpathedhaunt said:
Maybe the birds died in Austin because they ate some of that nasty grain in Idaho. :D
Nah! Couldn't be. These birds are not known to be migratory. Besides these are city birds - why eat grain when you can have tacos and McDonald's fries? :smartass:

Back to topic...
Does anyone know for sure who is doing the testing - Texas A&M, CDC (Atlanta), Ames Iowa? All three have been mentioned in various articles.
 
Re: Dead Birds Close Downtown Austin (TX)

Niko said:
Nah! Couldn't be. These birds are not known to be migratory. Besides these are city birds - why eat grain when you can have tacos and McDonald's fries? :smartass:

Back to topic...
Does anyone know for sure who is doing the testing - Texas A&M, CDC (Atlanta), Ames Iowa? All three have been mentioned in various articles.
Texas A&M and Ames.
 
Protocols - Re: Dead Birds Close Downtown Austin (TX)

Protocols - Re: Dead Birds Close Downtown Austin (TX)

Protocols

The protocols I could find related to wild birds or to commercial poultry.
I have not come across a protocol specific for urban birds.

Detailed 88 page protocol from National Wildlife Health Center
http://www.nwhc.usgs.gov/publications/other/Final_Wild_Bird_Strategic_Plan_0322.pdf
p5 describes investigations of die offs
p 72 provides Texas contact

Texas Report on HPAI outbreak Feb 23, 2004
http://www.tahc.state.tx.us/news/pr/2004/2004Feb23_HPAI.pdf

CDC report Texas Avian H5N2 outbreak in Feb 2004
http://www.cdc.gov/flu/avian/professional/possible-exposure.htm

Description of initial evaluation of Texas poultry die off in June 2004
http://www.tahc.state.tx.us/news/pr/2004/2004June4_AI_update.pdf

Closure of poultry investigation in August 2004 ? H7N3
http://www.tahc.state.tx.us/news/pr/2004/2004Aug6_AI_CC_Closes.pdf

Alaska Protocol for investigating bird deaths June 2006
http://alaska.fws.gov/media/avian_influenza/Ak_Bird_Response_M_M.pdf

Texas Animal Health Commission
http://www.tahc.state.tx.us/

jt
 
Re: Dead Birds Close Downtown Austin (TX)

The red flag is the cross species nature of the kill. Sparrows, pegions etc....

Sounds like Quanghi....Putting tin foil hat on now.

We will be told they flew into skyscrapers or something but the cross species nature of deaths is a clue.
 
Re: Dead Birds Close Downtown Austin (TX)

COuld be but lets wait and see.

We had a similar incident here a couple of months ago where hundreds of birds dropped dead in a park (along with 2 cats and a dog) in the middle east coast of New Zealand.

Anne was across it and while I didn't hear the final official explanation, there was a likely hood that it was a poison.

That case also killed different species of birds.

But lets wait and see, was there any mention of neuralgic problems with the birds, or wwere they all dead when discovered (i.e were any sick birds discovered?)


Jet
 
Re: Dead Birds Close Downtown Austin (TX)

Speculating is not productive. We will have to wait for the test results and watch for further developments.
 
Re: Dead Birds Close Downtown Austin (TX)

Regarding protocols, it sounds to me as if they were following guidelines for a gas leak and/or terrorism attack - they would naturally have wanted ambulances on hand in such a case. Their presence does not imply that there were already injuries or illnesses.
 
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