China - The "Frozen" Phenomena - Now W.H.O. agrees COVID-19 could be transmitted via frozen packaging?

sharon sanders · Nov 29, 2020

I want to make a comment here about something I saw being talked about. There is speculation that the China government is pushing the "COVID-19 found on imported frozen food packaging" agenda to blame other countries for being the origin of the disease. I think not. The China government did not start mentioning the "frozen" mantra until June:

China - Beijing coronavirus outbreak, frozen food blamed - June 12, 2020+ - cases have spread to 4 provinces

If frozen food packaging was the scapegoat for the origin of COVID-19 then the China government would have started blaming "frozen" much earlier. Like January 1, 2020.

I think these "frozen" discoveries are mostly new outbreaks that they are blaming on frozen imports as an excuse since they are doing such a great job on controlling COVID-19 in a population of 1.4 billion people. Yup. Since the large outbreaks in the spring, the government usually reports that the new outbreaks are all caused by imported people or imported frozen food packaging - with very few exceptions.

Others think that China is blaming "frozen" imports to play games with international trading partners. I also think not. China needs the food.

sharon sanders · Nov 29, 2020

I want to clarify that I do not know if SARS-CoV-2 can survive frozen on packaging with enough strength to infect people. The numerous China outbreaks of SARS-CoV-2 cited as originating from frozen packaging on imported goods is not generally accepted. It is, however, very interesting. I am following these instances because I think it is a sign of something - I am just not sure of what....

Shiloh · Feb 12, 2021

Frozen food?: https://www.cnn.com/videos/world/20...ldn-vpx.cnn/video/playlists/coronavirus-intl/

Mary Wilson · Feb 12, 2021

Can frozen food spread the coronavirus?

February 12, 2021 4:43 p.m.
Michaeleen Doucleff

At a news conference this week, the World Health Organization made a surprising statement: The coronavirus could possibly transmit on frozen packages of food.

"We know that the virus can persist and survive in conditions that are found in these cold and frozen environments," says Peter Ben Embarek, the food scientist who led the World Health Organization team that traveled to China to investigate the origin of the pandemic. "But we don't really understand if the virus can then transmit to humans."

Embarek went on to say that scientists need to investigate further this possible route of transmission – and that frozen meat, perhaps frozen wild meat, could have sparked an early outbreak of COVID-19 last year at the Huanan Seafood market in Wuhan.

... These results – and the statements from WHO — were a bit surprising, because they go against what scientists have been telling us for a few months now. That you catch COVID-19 primarily through the air, not surfaces. And you don't need to wipe down food packages.

... First off, this Xinfadi Market is not your local Trader Joe's, says microbiologist Emanuel Goldman at Rutgers New Jersey Medical School. Xinfadi is enormous. It's 12 million square feet — larger than 200 football fields. Inside, workers receive international shipments of large pallets of frozen meat and seafood which they ship to stores across Beijing. The fish isn't in in individually-packaged boxes, like you find in a frozen food section of the grocery store. A giant frozen slab is a very different surface and has very different conditions than a small package of fish sticks. The slab will stay colder for longer, and the virus could survive on it – or in it — longer.

In other words, Goldman says, the environment inside this warehouse is very different from one that a regular consumer would ever find themselves in. So far, only warehouse workers and dock workers, receiving international packages, have been possibly infected through these frozen packages.

"China hasn't had any reports of consumers, of even suspicion, of consumers being infected by this route," Goldman says.

Second, Goldman says, even under these very specific conditions — with industrial-scale shipping — transmission through this route is incredibly rare.
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( also available to listen to the story, 4.02)
https://www.mprnews.org/story/2021/02/12/npr-can-frozen-food-spread-the-coronavirus

sharon sanders · Feb 13, 2021

bertrand789 · Feb 13, 2021

c'est normal:

pourquoi avoir supprim? les contacts avec les mains au tout d?but ?

Mais maintenant qu'ils ont admis ce possible , ils vont permettre de regarder les donn?es concernant leurs aliments congel?s , ou ?

s'ils ne veulent pas , les russes vont nous apprendre, car ils doivent en avoir une sacr?e collection d'aliments chinois congel?s, non ?

sharon sanders · Feb 13, 2021

I did not remove anything. I copied earlier posts from other threads to make this new thread. The original posts are still on the threads where they were originally posted. The vbulletin software allows for moderators to copy posts. This feature is very handy to create a new thread to emphasize a point.

sharon sanders · Feb 13, 2021

Goldman is incorrect. China HAS declared human infections from imported frozen SARS-CoV-2 genetic bits. See below.

kiwibird · Feb 23, 2021

https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum...-2021/902970-bc-canada-2021-covid-cases/page3

Frozen food manufacturer in British Columbia Canada has outbreak.

bertrand789 · Feb 23, 2021

amusant,

on ne parle pas de contamination alimentaire des ?levages ?

Elle sont ou les enqu?tes v?t?rinaires des ?levages de vison, la voie alimentaire n'a jamais ?t? regard?e ?

c'est difficile de faire cela dans un lieu ad hoc ?

C'est quoi un lieu ad hoc pour reproduire cela ?

il faut un P4 ou ?

sharon sanders · Feb 23, 2021

bump this

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