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COVID- 19 Vaccine Dangers, Side Effects, Controversy - Closed thread, please see scientific library
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https://www.abc15.com/news/coronavi...k-between-covid-19-vaccine-and-hearing-issues
WHO finds potential link between COVID-19 vaccine and hearing issues
By: Melissa Blasius
Posted at 7:57 PM, Apr 05, 2022
and last updated 2022-04-05 22:57:23-04
PHOENIX — The World Health Organization is now investigating hearing loss and ringing in the ears as potential rare side effects of the COVID-19 vaccines.
The WHO Pharmaceuticals Newsletter recently published data looking at expected numbers compared to actual reports from people who experienced hearing-related symptoms after receiving a COVID-19 shot. Researchers compared hundreds of stories from people in 10 countries who received either the Pfizer, Moderna, or AstraZeneca vaccine.
The WHO concluded hearing loss and tinnitus (ringing in the ears) following the COVID-19 shot are preliminary signals, which means there is a possible causal relationship between the auditory problems and the vaccine. The organization is recommending further study and alerting healthcare professionals around the globe.
For nine months, ABC15 Investigator Melissa Blasius has been investigating stories from U.S. vaccine recipients who say they developed tinnitus within days of getting immunized.
RELATED: Unheard Concerns: Thousands blame COVID-19 vaccine for hearing problems
"I'm aware of thousands of people like me, across the world, who have been struggling to get their doctors to work with them, to try and provide treatments, or study them," tinnitus sufferer Robert Edmonds said. Edmonds, who lives in New Mexico, sought medical specialists in Phoenix in an effort to better understand tinnitus and other health issues. He said he noticed the first symptoms after his immunizations in early 2021.
Dr. Greg Poland, a Mayo Clinic vaccinologist, said he also developed tinnitus after a COVID-19 shot. He calls the WHO report a "first step."...
WHO finds potential link between COVID-19 vaccine and hearing issues
By: Melissa Blasius
Posted at 7:57 PM, Apr 05, 2022
and last updated 2022-04-05 22:57:23-04
PHOENIX — The World Health Organization is now investigating hearing loss and ringing in the ears as potential rare side effects of the COVID-19 vaccines.
The WHO Pharmaceuticals Newsletter recently published data looking at expected numbers compared to actual reports from people who experienced hearing-related symptoms after receiving a COVID-19 shot. Researchers compared hundreds of stories from people in 10 countries who received either the Pfizer, Moderna, or AstraZeneca vaccine.
The WHO concluded hearing loss and tinnitus (ringing in the ears) following the COVID-19 shot are preliminary signals, which means there is a possible causal relationship between the auditory problems and the vaccine. The organization is recommending further study and alerting healthcare professionals around the globe.
For nine months, ABC15 Investigator Melissa Blasius has been investigating stories from U.S. vaccine recipients who say they developed tinnitus within days of getting immunized.
RELATED: Unheard Concerns: Thousands blame COVID-19 vaccine for hearing problems
"I'm aware of thousands of people like me, across the world, who have been struggling to get their doctors to work with them, to try and provide treatments, or study them," tinnitus sufferer Robert Edmonds said. Edmonds, who lives in New Mexico, sought medical specialists in Phoenix in an effort to better understand tinnitus and other health issues. He said he noticed the first symptoms after his immunizations in early 2021.
Dr. Greg Poland, a Mayo Clinic vaccinologist, said he also developed tinnitus after a COVID-19 shot. He calls the WHO report a "first step."...
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AIDS-Like "Chronic Covid" is Taking Over Europe, Australia and NZ
https://igorchudov.substack.com/p/aids-like-chronic-covid-is-taking?s=r
The Boosted Cannot Clear Covid Easily and Keep Getting Reinfected
This article will explain exactly why endless Covid reinfections happen, and the dangerous consequences that they lead to, based on recent scientific advances.
This article describes scientific mechanism and shows why this is happening. Using three recent studies, I will show that
https://igorchudov.substack.com/p/aids-like-chronic-covid-is-taking?s=r
The Boosted Cannot Clear Covid Easily and Keep Getting Reinfected
This article will explain exactly why endless Covid reinfections happen, and the dangerous consequences that they lead to, based on recent scientific advances.
This article describes scientific mechanism and shows why this is happening. Using three recent studies, I will show that
- The vaccinated cannot develop “natural immunity”
- The boosted cannot clear the virus quickly upon infection
- Covid virions invade and damage monocytes, the blood cells providing immunity, due to Antibody Dependent Enhancement (ADE), leading to gradual destruction of the immune system. Sars-Cov-2 also infects immune T-cells.
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Innate immune suppression by SARS-CoV-2 mRNA vaccinations: The role of G-quadruplexes, exosomes, and MicroRNAs
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S027869152200206X
Highlights
•mRNA vaccines promote sustained synthesis of the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein.
•The spike protein is neurotoxic, and it impairs DNA repair mechanisms.
•Suppression of type I interferon responses results in impaired innate immunity.
•The mRNA vaccines potentially cause increased risk to infectious diseases and cancer.
•Codon optimization results in G-rich mRNA that has unpredictable complex effects.
Abstract
The mRNA SARS-CoV-2 vaccines were brought to market in response to the public health crises of Covid-19. The utilization of mRNA vaccines in the context of infectious disease has no precedent. The many alterations in the vaccine mRNA hide the mRNA from cellular defenses and promote a longer biological half-life and high production of spike protein. However, the immune response to the vaccine is very different from that to a SARS-CoV-2 infection. In this paper, we present evidence that vaccination induces a profound impairment in type I interferon signaling, which has diverse adverse consequences to human health. Immune cells that have taken up the vaccine nanoparticles release into circulation large numbers of exosomes containing spike protein along with critical microRNAs that induce a signaling response in recipient cells at distant sites. We also identify potential profound disturbances in regulatory control of protein synthesis and cancer surveillance. These disturbances potentially have a causal link to neurodegenerative disease, myocarditis, immune thrombocytopenia, Bell's palsy, liver disease, impaired adaptive immunity, impaired DNA damage response and tumorigenesis. We show evidence from the VAERS database supporting our hypothesis. We believe a comprehensive risk/benefit assessment of the mRNA vaccines questions them as positive contributors to public health.
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In this paper, we explore the scientific literature suggesting that vaccination with an mRNA vaccine initiates a set of biological events that are not only different from that induced by infection but are in several ways demonstrably counterproductive to both short- and long-term immune competence and normal cellular function. These vaccinations have now been shown to downregulate critical pathways related to cancer surveillance, infection control, and cellular homeostasis. They introduce into the body highly modified genetic material. A preprint has revealed a remarkable difference between the characteristics of the immune response to an infection with SARS-CoV-2 as compared with the immune response to an mRNA vaccine against COVID-19 (Ivanova et al., 2021). Differential gene expression analysis of peripheral dendritic cells revealed a dramatic upregulation of both type I and type II interferons (IFNs) in COVID-19 patients, but not in vaccinees. One remarkable observation they made was that there was an expansion of circulating hematopoietic stem and progenitor cells (HSPCs) in COVID-19 patients, but this expansion was notably absent following vaccination. A striking expansion in circulating plasmablasts observed in COVID-19 patients was also not seen in the vaccinees. All of these observations are consistent with the idea that the anti-COVID-19 vaccines actively suppress type I IFN signaling, as we will discuss below. In this paper we will be focusing extensively, though not exclusively, on vaccination-induced type I IFN suppression and the myriad downstream effects this has on the related signaling cascade.
Since long-term pre-clinical and Phase I safety trials were combined with Phase II trials, then phase II and III trials were combined (Kwok, 2021); and since even those were terminated early and placebo arms given the injections, we look to the pharmacosurveillance system and published reports for safety signals. In doing so, we find that that evidence is not encouraging. The biological response to mRNA vaccination as it is currently employed is demonstrably not similar to natural infection. In this paper we will illustrate those differences, and we will describe the immunological and pathological processes we expect are being initiated by mRNA vaccination. We will connect these underlying physiological effects with both realized and yet-to-be-observed morbidities. We anticipate that implementation of booster vaccinations on a wide scale will amplify all of these problems.
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https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S027869152200206X
Highlights
•mRNA vaccines promote sustained synthesis of the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein.
•The spike protein is neurotoxic, and it impairs DNA repair mechanisms.
•Suppression of type I interferon responses results in impaired innate immunity.
•The mRNA vaccines potentially cause increased risk to infectious diseases and cancer.
•Codon optimization results in G-rich mRNA that has unpredictable complex effects.
Abstract
The mRNA SARS-CoV-2 vaccines were brought to market in response to the public health crises of Covid-19. The utilization of mRNA vaccines in the context of infectious disease has no precedent. The many alterations in the vaccine mRNA hide the mRNA from cellular defenses and promote a longer biological half-life and high production of spike protein. However, the immune response to the vaccine is very different from that to a SARS-CoV-2 infection. In this paper, we present evidence that vaccination induces a profound impairment in type I interferon signaling, which has diverse adverse consequences to human health. Immune cells that have taken up the vaccine nanoparticles release into circulation large numbers of exosomes containing spike protein along with critical microRNAs that induce a signaling response in recipient cells at distant sites. We also identify potential profound disturbances in regulatory control of protein synthesis and cancer surveillance. These disturbances potentially have a causal link to neurodegenerative disease, myocarditis, immune thrombocytopenia, Bell's palsy, liver disease, impaired adaptive immunity, impaired DNA damage response and tumorigenesis. We show evidence from the VAERS database supporting our hypothesis. We believe a comprehensive risk/benefit assessment of the mRNA vaccines questions them as positive contributors to public health.
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In this paper, we explore the scientific literature suggesting that vaccination with an mRNA vaccine initiates a set of biological events that are not only different from that induced by infection but are in several ways demonstrably counterproductive to both short- and long-term immune competence and normal cellular function. These vaccinations have now been shown to downregulate critical pathways related to cancer surveillance, infection control, and cellular homeostasis. They introduce into the body highly modified genetic material. A preprint has revealed a remarkable difference between the characteristics of the immune response to an infection with SARS-CoV-2 as compared with the immune response to an mRNA vaccine against COVID-19 (Ivanova et al., 2021). Differential gene expression analysis of peripheral dendritic cells revealed a dramatic upregulation of both type I and type II interferons (IFNs) in COVID-19 patients, but not in vaccinees. One remarkable observation they made was that there was an expansion of circulating hematopoietic stem and progenitor cells (HSPCs) in COVID-19 patients, but this expansion was notably absent following vaccination. A striking expansion in circulating plasmablasts observed in COVID-19 patients was also not seen in the vaccinees. All of these observations are consistent with the idea that the anti-COVID-19 vaccines actively suppress type I IFN signaling, as we will discuss below. In this paper we will be focusing extensively, though not exclusively, on vaccination-induced type I IFN suppression and the myriad downstream effects this has on the related signaling cascade.
Since long-term pre-clinical and Phase I safety trials were combined with Phase II trials, then phase II and III trials were combined (Kwok, 2021); and since even those were terminated early and placebo arms given the injections, we look to the pharmacosurveillance system and published reports for safety signals. In doing so, we find that that evidence is not encouraging. The biological response to mRNA vaccination as it is currently employed is demonstrably not similar to natural infection. In this paper we will illustrate those differences, and we will describe the immunological and pathological processes we expect are being initiated by mRNA vaccination. We will connect these underlying physiological effects with both realized and yet-to-be-observed morbidities. We anticipate that implementation of booster vaccinations on a wide scale will amplify all of these problems.
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As time has progressed there are now many studies on the "pros and cons" of the COVID-19 vaccines. Please see the vaccines section in our Scientific Library:
https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/...ry/vaccines-aa
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This is not medical advice. If you have any medical questions contact your medical practitioner.
Also, for those who do not want to take the vaccines, please consider an N95 mask that is in good condition. I know this recommendation is controversial with some people thinking that masks are worthless. Well - that does not make common sense. Any barrier to air that contains an aerosolized virus is good. Masks are no guarantee of anything but they are a barrier type of equipment that might help.
I do not care which mask mandates are implemented or dropped by whatever agency. I do "my own thing".
https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/...ry/vaccines-aa
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This is not medical advice. If you have any medical questions contact your medical practitioner.
Also, for those who do not want to take the vaccines, please consider an N95 mask that is in good condition. I know this recommendation is controversial with some people thinking that masks are worthless. Well - that does not make common sense. Any barrier to air that contains an aerosolized virus is good. Masks are no guarantee of anything but they are a barrier type of equipment that might help.
I do not care which mask mandates are implemented or dropped by whatever agency. I do "my own thing".
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COVID-19 vaccine and autoimmunity. A new case of autoimmune hepatitis and review of the literature
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2589909022000016
Abstract
Autoimmunity following COVID-19 vaccination has been reported. Herein, a 79-year-old man with clinical and immunological features of autoimmune hepatitis type 1 after ChAdOx1 nCoV-19 vaccination is presented. Clinical manifestations rapidly remitted after the instauration of immunomodulatory management. This case, together with a comprehensive review of the literature, illustrates the association between COVID-19 vaccines and the development of autoimmune conditions.
1. Introduction
Infection by the severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) has been commonly associated with liver disorders. The overall frequency of acute liver injury in COVID-19 is about 26.5%, and up to 41.1% of patients present with transaminitis [1]. Levels of glutamic-oxaloacetic transaminase (GOT), glutamic pyruvic transaminase (GPT) [1], and elevated total bilirubin are considered biomarkers of deleterious COVID-19 outcomes [2]. Although a direct assault of SARS-CoV-2 on hepatocytes leading to abnormal liver enzyme levels has been suggested as the main mechanism of liver injury, hepatocytes do not express high numbers of receptors for angiotensin converting enzyme 2 (ACE-2) [2], and direct infection of hepatocytes has not been found [3]. However, residual viral antigens has been detected in hepatic tissue during the convalescent phase, up to 6 months after recovery [4]. Other mechanisms, such as ischemia and cholangiopathy, have recently come under scrutiny [5,6]. In addition, an autoimmune phenomenon could be associated with hepatopathy following SARS-CoV-2 infection [7].
COVID-19 vaccination has been broadly associated with diverse autoimmune conditions. These include autoimmune hepatitis (AIH) [8], myocarditis [9,10], immune thrombotic thrombocytopenia [11], Guillain-Barré syndrome [12], and giant cell arteritis [13]. Interestingly, patients with autoimmune diseases (ADs) prior to vaccination may exhibit flares following the administration of the biologic [10].
All the above data indicate the possibility of autoimmune phenomena related to SARS-CoV-2 infection or post-vaccination [14]. Although the mechanisms have not been elucidated yet, molecular mimicry is considered one of the major explanation of autoimmunity after vaccination [15,16]. In addition, bystander activation and epitope spreading may also contribute to autoimmunity in those susceptible individuals with ADs or with pre-existing latent autoimmunity [17]. Herein, we present a patient with AIH after AstraZeneca-ChAdOx1 nCoV-19 (AZD1222) vaccination, and a review of similar cases reported in the literature.
See more:
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2589909022000016
Abstract
Autoimmunity following COVID-19 vaccination has been reported. Herein, a 79-year-old man with clinical and immunological features of autoimmune hepatitis type 1 after ChAdOx1 nCoV-19 vaccination is presented. Clinical manifestations rapidly remitted after the instauration of immunomodulatory management. This case, together with a comprehensive review of the literature, illustrates the association between COVID-19 vaccines and the development of autoimmune conditions.
1. Introduction
Infection by the severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) has been commonly associated with liver disorders. The overall frequency of acute liver injury in COVID-19 is about 26.5%, and up to 41.1% of patients present with transaminitis [1]. Levels of glutamic-oxaloacetic transaminase (GOT), glutamic pyruvic transaminase (GPT) [1], and elevated total bilirubin are considered biomarkers of deleterious COVID-19 outcomes [2]. Although a direct assault of SARS-CoV-2 on hepatocytes leading to abnormal liver enzyme levels has been suggested as the main mechanism of liver injury, hepatocytes do not express high numbers of receptors for angiotensin converting enzyme 2 (ACE-2) [2], and direct infection of hepatocytes has not been found [3]. However, residual viral antigens has been detected in hepatic tissue during the convalescent phase, up to 6 months after recovery [4]. Other mechanisms, such as ischemia and cholangiopathy, have recently come under scrutiny [5,6]. In addition, an autoimmune phenomenon could be associated with hepatopathy following SARS-CoV-2 infection [7].
COVID-19 vaccination has been broadly associated with diverse autoimmune conditions. These include autoimmune hepatitis (AIH) [8], myocarditis [9,10], immune thrombotic thrombocytopenia [11], Guillain-Barré syndrome [12], and giant cell arteritis [13]. Interestingly, patients with autoimmune diseases (ADs) prior to vaccination may exhibit flares following the administration of the biologic [10].
All the above data indicate the possibility of autoimmune phenomena related to SARS-CoV-2 infection or post-vaccination [14]. Although the mechanisms have not been elucidated yet, molecular mimicry is considered one of the major explanation of autoimmunity after vaccination [15,16]. In addition, bystander activation and epitope spreading may also contribute to autoimmunity in those susceptible individuals with ADs or with pre-existing latent autoimmunity [17]. Herein, we present a patient with AIH after AstraZeneca-ChAdOx1 nCoV-19 (AZD1222) vaccination, and a review of similar cases reported in the literature.
See more:
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Immune-mediated hepatitis with the Moderna vaccine, no longer a coincidence but confirmed
https://www.journal-of-hepatology.eu/article/S0168-8278(21)02093-6/fulltext
To the Editor:
We have read with interest the recent cases suggesting the possibility of vaccine-induced immune-mediated hepatitis with Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna mRNA-1273 vaccines for the SARS-CoV-2 virus.
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See more:
https://www.journal-of-hepatology.eu/article/S0168-8278(21)02093-6/fulltext
To the Editor:
We have read with interest the recent cases suggesting the possibility of vaccine-induced immune-mediated hepatitis with Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna mRNA-1273 vaccines for the SARS-CoV-2 virus.
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[SUP][8][/SUP] Our case demonstrates conclusive evidence of vaccine-induced immune-mediated hepatitis with a rapid onset of liver injury after the first Moderna dose, which on re-exposure led to acute severe autoimmune hepatitis.
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I should preface this by saying unvaccinated and vaccinated can both become infected and spread the virus. So masking advice for unvaccinated only in your comments omits that vaccinated pose the same risks of transmission. I'm not sure this is the best place to discuss masks, but as you know before 2020 the recommendation was that masks, including N95s do not work against small, upper respiratory infections as the virons are much smaller, .08 microns and can float easily through a mask. These upper respiratory virons float in the air and are also easily exhaled through a mask. But since we are on the subject of masks, here is an interesting article on the micorplastics now found in people's lung tissue! https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/s...ics-found-in-lung-tissues-for-the-first-time/ There are numerous other studies now also showing bacterial contamination leading to respiratory infections from people wearing masks repeatedly. At least if you are going to wear a mask, change it often.
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New York City Data Show Infection Rates TWICE as High Among the Boosted – But Trickery Hides Low Infection Rates Among the Unvaccinated
https://dailysceptic.org/2022/04/21...s-low-infection-rates-among-the-unvaccinated/
"I want to take you on a journey – a journey into data. What you take from this is up to you – perhaps you’ll gain a healthy scepticism of statistical data presented by experts; perhaps you’ll gain an understanding of types of tricks that might be used to massage data to favour a particular outcome; or perhaps you’ll even decide that government experts are far more likely to be right than a random person on the internet. All that I ask is that you come on the journey with me."
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https://dailysceptic.org/2022/04/21...s-low-infection-rates-among-the-unvaccinated/
"I want to take you on a journey – a journey into data. What you take from this is up to you – perhaps you’ll gain a healthy scepticism of statistical data presented by experts; perhaps you’ll gain an understanding of types of tricks that might be used to massage data to favour a particular outcome; or perhaps you’ll even decide that government experts are far more likely to be right than a random person on the internet. All that I ask is that you come on the journey with me."
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sharon sanders
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I agree that vaccinated people can transmit COVID-19 to others. My concern is that people who do not chose to vaccinate have no protections unless they chose to mask. I have said many, many times that masks will not "save you" but they are something vs. doing nothing. They are a barrier protection. I always carry a clean N95. Of course, soiled masks should not be used. I am not for mask mandates as people know what COVID-19 is now and they can make their own decisions. I decide to wear one.
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The US COVID infection data is not reliable because it does not include millions of home tests. We post the CDC weekly COVID link and Flu reports link but we have titled those threads "for trend analysis".
The ugly truth behind research is that all researchers are dependent on funding. So.....
This site presents many papers in the hope that people will read many from many diverse sources.
The ugly truth behind research is that all researchers are dependent on funding. So.....
This site presents many papers in the hope that people will read many from many diverse sources.
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It's interesting that while you express concern for those who are not vaccinated, recent research seems to indicate that immune fatigue in the vaccinated population is potentially making them more susceptible to infection than those who have not taken the jab. As a result, I am more worried about my vaccinated friends, over those who are not. I have so many vaccine injured friends (more than from when I first began this thread), and unfortunately I now also know of a few people who have died after the shot. And I know of one cardiologist who revealed privately that he is not allowed to discuss the large numbers of patients coming into his practice with heart issues post vaccination.
The concern seems to be, that repeated vaccination with the mRNA gene therapy alters cell function in ways we cannot predict or protect against. There is a noticeable uptick in all sorts of health issues in the vaccinated population as this thread, "vaccine dangers and side effects" discusses. Here an open letter to the Inspector General penned by Steve Kirsch you might find interesting. https://stevekirsch.substack.com/p/an-open-letter-to-the-inspector-general?s=r
It's important to keep an open mind and investigate everything in order to have informed consent.
The concern seems to be, that repeated vaccination with the mRNA gene therapy alters cell function in ways we cannot predict or protect against. There is a noticeable uptick in all sorts of health issues in the vaccinated population as this thread, "vaccine dangers and side effects" discusses. Here an open letter to the Inspector General penned by Steve Kirsch you might find interesting. https://stevekirsch.substack.com/p/an-open-letter-to-the-inspector-general?s=r
It's important to keep an open mind and investigate everything in order to have informed consent.
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GOOD MORNING San Diego KUSI NEWS
There was an unexpected 40% increase in "all cause" deaths in 2021
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-GXv...ature=youtu.be
This information comes from the military data base and life insurance companies.
They looked back over five years and compared it with data from 2021.
There was an unexpected 40% increase in "all cause" deaths in 2021
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-GXv...ature=youtu.be
This information comes from the military data base and life insurance companies.
They looked back over five years and compared it with data from 2021.
sharon sanders
Editor-in-Chief & President
While Mr. Kirsch is certainly entitled to his opinion, I am not going to take any medical advice from him or Bill Gates.
sharon sanders
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Also, I wanted to add that I do not personally know of anyone who has experienced any medium or long term COVID-19 vaccine injury. This is my unscientific observation. If people believe that the vaccines will injure them - then don't take the vaccines. I am not going to fight about this. I think everyone has already decided which way they want to go on this issue. Arguing is pointless.
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I agree Sharon, arguing is pointless. And I hope that's not what you think is happening here. But debate and exchanging points of view and insights is healthy. Whether vaccinated or not, information is imperative to reach informed consent. And that is the goal. Whether someone decides to never get vaccinated, only get a single dose, or more, is individual choice. And that's medical freedom as opposed to medical tyranny. Hopefully individual decisions are based on uncensored information and data. While many people may already be settled into a camp--for or against--and therefore disinterested in data that refutes the 'safe and effective' mantra, certainly there are those for whom new information informs their decisions going forward. And as this new information becomes available, positions can shift in either direction. This will give people an opportunity to assess the information and either continue with the boosters or not, vaccinate their children, or not. Information is power. Informed consent is key. Like you, I wouldn't take medical advice from any single source or individual, including my own doctor, but rather take a deep dive into data that is available to us and weigh the risk/benefit for myself.
Conversations such as these are important and I thank you for participating.
Conversations such as these are important and I thank you for participating.
sharon sanders
Editor-in-Chief & President
I want to remind everyone that we do not engage in "vaccine wars". We present info. That is all.
We are not pro-vaccine or anti-vaccine.
We do not offer medical advice.
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Also, we have talked about pandemic collateral damage for years. This is the idea that as many people can die of "collateral" damage in a pandemic as from the disease itself. Pandemics are very destabilizing. We are seeing a large increase in violence in the US. Also, there can be damage due to possible vaccine injury, suicide, medicine shortages, overwhelmed medical systems, reluctance to seek medical help, testing, and treatments, inability to get access to medical facilities... - in short - a breakdown of society and the "safety net".
It is the job of the CDC to investigate any large statistical variances as mentioned in the post above. Are they? Is the large increase in deaths in the 18-49 age group in 2021 (as compared to the previous 5 year average) due to undiagnosed COVID-19 illness? Or what?
We are not pro-vaccine or anti-vaccine.
We do not offer medical advice.
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Also, we have talked about pandemic collateral damage for years. This is the idea that as many people can die of "collateral" damage in a pandemic as from the disease itself. Pandemics are very destabilizing. We are seeing a large increase in violence in the US. Also, there can be damage due to possible vaccine injury, suicide, medicine shortages, overwhelmed medical systems, reluctance to seek medical help, testing, and treatments, inability to get access to medical facilities... - in short - a breakdown of society and the "safety net".
It is the job of the CDC to investigate any large statistical variances as mentioned in the post above. Are they? Is the large increase in deaths in the 18-49 age group in 2021 (as compared to the previous 5 year average) due to undiagnosed COVID-19 illness? Or what?
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