• FluTrackers.com Inc. does not provide medical advice. Information on this web site is collected from various internet resources, and the FluTrackers board of directors makes no warranty to the safety, efficacy, correctness or completeness of the information posted on this site by any author or poster. The information collated here is for instructional and/or discussion purposes only and is NOT intended to diagnose or treat any disease, illness, or other medical condition. Every individual reader or poster should seek advice from their personal physician/healthcare practitioner before considering or using any interventions that are discussed on this website. By continuing to access this website you agree to consult your personal physican before using any interventions posted on this website, and you agree to hold harmless FluTrackers.com Inc., the board of directors, the members, and all authors and posters for any effects from use of any medication, supplement, vitamin or other substance, device, intervention, etc. mentioned in posts on this website, or other internet venues referenced in posts on this website.
  • We are not asking for any donations. Do not donate to any entity who says they are raising funds for us.

Discussion: Chinese Academy of Sciences (CAS) in Wuhan has been working with bats and coronavirus for many years - DNA manipulations, cloning.... - Ja

I am sure she is under huge pressure in China. There are rumblings that some European countries as well as the US want to discuss reparations from China for the human and economic damage. She might say anything. She is not an objective party.
 
"Elle a ?galement not? que tout le personnel et les ?tudiants de son laboratoire avaient r?cemment ?t? test?s pour le SRAS-CoV-2 et que tout le monde ?tait n?gatif, "

On explique cela comment d'une part , d'autre part, quel le protocole de surveillance des personnels de ce genre d'?tablissement ?

En cas d'?v?nement, qui est pr?venu et l'on fait quoi, l? ou ailleurs ?
 
Foreign Ministry Spokesperson Wang Wenbin's Regular Press Conference on July 29, 2020
...
Asahi Shimbun: We understand WHO experts have been in China for two weeks. Are they out of isolation? What are they doing now and what is on their schedule?

Wang Wenbin: As agreed through consultation, two WHO experts came to China in mid-July for preparatory consultations on science-based cooperation in COVID-19 origin-tracing. While in isolation, the WHO experts held several video conferences with Chinese experts and had in-depth exchange in global scientific progress in crowd, environment, molecular and zoonotic tracing of the origin as well as working plans for the next stage.

We have a fundamental consensus with WHO, that is, origin-tracing is a scientific issue that should be studied by scientists through international research and cooperation across the globe. It is an ongoing process probably concerning many countries and localities. WHO will conduct similar trips to other countries and regions in light of the actual need. We hope all relevant countries will also actively cooperate with WHO.
...
https://www.fmprc.gov.cn/mfa_eng/xwfw_665399/s2510_665401/2511_665403/t1802168.shtml
 
FOX NEWS FLASHPublished 57 mins ago

Hong Kong virologist claiming coronavirus cover-up tells 'Bill Hemmer Reports': 'We don't have much time'
...
By Charles Creitz | Fox News
...
"I am waiting to tell all the things I know, provide all the evidence to the U.S. Government," Yan added. "And I want them to understand, and I also want the U.S. people to understand how terrible this is. It is not what you have seen ... This is something very different. We have to chase the true evidence and get the real evidence because this is a key part to stop this pandemic. We don't have much time."

https://www.foxnews.com/media/li-meng-yan-virologist-china-coronavirus-coverup

Here's a new communication. I think she's working on a paper that will detail how the virus could have emerged from several different labs in the area with varying safety standards. She is not pointing a finger at Shi's lab. She and Shi are in agreement that there is no evidence that the virus made its jump to humans at the Wuhan wet market.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6wgbtK-ntE
(西语版) Li-Meng Yan / Steve Bannon Warroom EP. 304 - 27 jul
(西语版) warroom 304 闫博士班农:制造病毒只需要六个月 S?lo se necesitan SEIS MESES para crear el COVID.
 
Evolutionary origins of the SARS-CoV-2 sarbecovirus lineage responsible for the COVID-19 pandemic
Nature Microbiology (2020)Cite this article


SARS-CoV-2 itself is not a recombinant of any sarbecoviruses detected to date, and its receptor-binding motif, important for specificity to human ACE2 receptors, appears to be an ancestral trait shared with bat viruses and not one acquired recently via recombination.

Divergence dates between SARS-CoV-2 and the bat sarbecovirus reservoir were estimated as 1948 (95% highest posterior density (HPD): 1879–1999), 1969 (95% HPD: 1930–2000) and 1982 (95% HPD: 1948–2009), indicating that the lineage giving rise to SARS-CoV-2 has been circulating unnoticed in bats for decades.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41...lVZz95nczRqmEfRaET8rcBcTil7yWO2Z5V6ry-nEAJS7E
 
WHO Director-General's opening remarks at the media briefing on COVID-19 - 3 August 2020

3 August 2020
...

One of the areas that we have been continuing to study is the origins of the virus that causes COVID-19.

The WHO advance team that travelled to China has now concluded their mission to lay the groundwork for further joint efforts to identify the virus origins.

As a result of these efforts, WHO and Chinese experts have drafted the Terms of Reference for the studies and programme of work for an international team, led by WHO.

The international team will include leading scientists and researchers from China and around the world.

Epidemiological studies will begin in Wuhan to identify the potential source of infection of the early cases.

Evidence and hypotheses generated through this work will lay the ground for further, longer-term studies.
...
https://www.who.int/dg/speeches/det...he-media-briefing-on-covid-19---3-august-2020
 
Ref: post #208, #215

So, from what I understand, the two experts, an animal health specialist and an epidemiologist, arrived in China around July 13, were quarantined and while in isolation, held several video conferences with Chinese experts. WHO, today August 03, announced that they have now concluded their mission.
 
Chinese scientist who fled to US claims coronavirus originated from ‘military lab’

August 2, 20200236

A Chinese virologist who fled to the United States because she feared she would be killed claimed the coronavirus came from a military laboratory.
...
Dr Li said, “At that time, I had clearly assessed that the virus came from a Chinese Communist Party military laboratory.

“The Wuhan wet market was just being used as a decoy. ”
...

https://www.fr24news.com/a/2020/08/...coronavirus-originated-from-military-lab.html
 
Tout le monde a compris que la cause est am?ricano-chinoise. Mais maintenant , on fait quoi ?

Not everyone.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOevQMQmpm4

It would be ludicrous to think China and the US were working on a weaponized virus together. The GOF work they did may have fed into agendas operating along a parallel pathway, but not a collaborative effort on a weapon. Is the Russian government worried about this, (seriously)?

I can understand those blaming biological arms races in general. All the superpowers at the very least are involved. This is not going to change.

https://cruxnow.com/vatican/2020/07...-in-laboratory-condemns-bacteriological-wars/
Vatican cardinal suggest COVID-19 made in laboratory, condemns ‘bacteriological wars’
A Vatican cardinal serving as the archpriest of St. Peter’s Basilica says that COVID-19 coronavirus does not “come from God” but possibly from a laboratory, and denounced the “great powers” for organizing “bacteriological wars.”..
 
Source: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/inside-wuhan-lab-center-coronavirus-storm-n1236254

Inside the Chinese lab central to the search for the coronavirus' origin
The institute is the focus of speculation and conspiracy theories — some emanating from the White House — about whether the virus leaked from the facility.
Inside the Wuhan lab at center of coronavirus controversy
Aug. 10, 202005:41
Aug. 10, 2020, 6:58 AM EDT / Updated Aug. 10, 2020, 8:53 AM EDT
By Janis Mackey Frayer and Denise Chow

WUHAN, China — Cloistered off a major thoroughfare, the Wuhan Institute of Virology could pass for a college campus, its red brick buildings distinguishable from their busy surroundings only by a long, imposing driveway lined with cameras, with a security guard standing sentry.

On the neatly manicured grounds beside a small man-made lake is a newer structure with silver sidings and few windows. This, the institute's BSL-4 lab — the first in China to receive the highest level of biosafety clearance — stands at the center of an international firestorm of recrimination over China's role in the coronavirus pandemic.

On Friday, NBC News became the first foreign news organization to be granted access to the institute since the outbreak began, meeting with senior scientists working to pinpoint the origins of the virus. The Wuhan institute and its scientists have become the focus of intense speculation and conspiracy theories — some emanating from the White House — about China's alleged efforts to downplay the outbreak's severity and whether the virus leaked from the facility.

During the roughly five-hour visit, which included a tour of the BSL-4 lab, where technicians clad in bubblelike protective suits handled small vials and other equipment while sealed inside a thick-walled glass enclosure, Wang Yanyi, director of the Wuhan Institute of Virology, said she and others felt unfairly targeted. She urged that politics not cloud investigations into how the coronavirus spilled over into humans...
 
Source: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/inside-wuhan-lab-center-coronavirus-storm-n1236254

Inside the Chinese lab central to the search for the coronavirus' origin
The institute is the focus of speculation and conspiracy theories — some emanating from the White House — about whether the virus leaked from the facility.
Inside the Wuhan lab at center of coronavirus controversy
Aug. 10, 202005:41
Aug. 10, 2020, 6:58 AM EDT / Updated Aug. 10, 2020, 8:53 AM EDT
By Janis Mackey Frayer and Denise Chow

WUHAN, China — Cloistered off a major thoroughfare, the Wuhan Institute of Virology could pass for a college campus, its red brick buildings distinguishable from their busy surroundings only by a long, imposing driveway lined with cameras, with a security guard standing sentry.

On the neatly manicured grounds beside a small man-made lake is a newer structure with silver sidings and few windows. This, the institute's BSL-4 lab — the first in China to receive the highest level of biosafety clearance — stands at the center of an international firestorm of recrimination over China's role in the coronavirus pandemic.

On Friday, NBC News became the first foreign news organization to be granted access to the institute since the outbreak began, meeting with senior scientists working to pinpoint the origins of the virus. The Wuhan institute and its scientists have become the focus of intense speculation and conspiracy theories — some emanating from the White House — about China's alleged efforts to downplay the outbreak's severity and whether the virus leaked from the facility.

During the roughly five-hour visit, which included a tour of the BSL-4 lab, where technicians clad in bubblelike protective suits handled small vials and other equipment while sealed inside a thick-walled glass enclosure, Wang Yanyi, director of the Wuhan Institute of Virology, said she and others felt unfairly targeted. She urged that politics not cloud investigations into how the coronavirus spilled over into humans...

hat tip Shiloh -


Josh Rogin

@joshrogin
This
@NBCNews
report on their field trip to Wuhan Institute of Virology has several errors, but the most glaring is that it misrepresents what U.S. officials wrote in diplomatic cables in 2018. I'll explain:

Inside the Wuhan lab at the center of the coronavirus storm
NBC News was given access to the facility studying the highest-risk infectious agents, including those that are believed to have originated in bats.
nbcnews.com
1:11 PM ? Aug 10, 2020?TweetDeck
617
Retweets
1K
Likes
91
Quotes
Josh Rogin

@joshrogin
?
20h
Replying to
@joshrogin
and
@NBCNews
The NBC story says that U.S. officials "said they observed" serious safety issues at the lab. That's just wrong. The officials reported the Wuhan Institute of Virology scientists TOLD THEM about the safety issues. https://washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/04/14/state-department-cables-warned-safety-issues-wuhan-lab-studying-bat-coronaviruses/… There's more...

Opinion | State Department cables warned of safety issues at Wuhan lab studying bat coronaviruses
The U.S. government is still trying to understand the origins of covid-19.
washingtonpost.com
3
131
370
Josh Rogin

@joshrogin

20h
Wang Yanyi, director of the WIV, told NBC reporters the U.S. officials visited in March 2018, two months after the first cable was written. The truth is they visited three times, both before and after the Jan. 2018 cable. Did U.S. officials make an entire visit? Not likely..
3
72
248
Josh Rogin

@joshrogin

20h
That calls into question Wang's credibility. She also says biosafety was not discussed. Again, calling several U.S. diplomats fabricators? NBC reports that without any pushback. But there's more...
4
63
243
Josh Rogin

@joshrogin

19h
The NBC reporters toured the lab, as if that would tell them anything. What did they expect to find, a piece of paper they forgot to throw out that says "Coronavirus Origin Evidence"? It's absurd to think that has any probative value. But there's more...
8
83
321
Josh Rogin

@joshrogin

19h
The NBC report says that Fauci "discounted the idea that the virus had accidentally escaped from a lab." If you read the interview, Fauci said its not important if it was a lab accident (which is wrong) but not that he rules out the possibility.
 
WHO will start its investigation into coronavirus origins in Wuhan but says case zero may be elsewhere
...

Zhuang Pinghui in Beijing
Published: 9:00pm, 11 Aug, 2020

World Health Organisation research into the origins of the coronavirus that causes Covid-19 will start in Wuhan, but the WHO stressed that the central Chinese city might not be the place where the virus jumped from bats to humans.

Meanwhile, a Wuhan laboratory that has studied coronaviruses extensively and that US President Donald Trump claimed could be the origin of the virus would not be investigated, an official in charge of the lab told US television network NBC.
...
“Case zero is not always where your first cluster is. Case zero is obviously before in time but it may be in another place, so that is why you have to keep an open mind,” Ryan said.

“All hypotheses are on the table. You start with an open mind and you follow the evidence and you follow the data. If you follow the data and the science you will find hopefully the point at which the disease crossed the species barrier.
...
https://www.scmp.com/news/china/sci...-investigation-coronavirus-origins-wuhan-says
 
NIH Presses U.S. Nonprofit for Information on Wuhan Virology Lab

National Institutes of Health told EcoHealth Alliance it must hand over information and materials from Chinese research facility to resume funding for suspended grant

By Betsy McKay
Aug. 19, 2020 5:30 am ET

The National Institutes of Health told a small New York-based nonprofit that it must hand over information and materials from a research partner in Wuhan, China, that is under scrutiny by the Trump administration to win back a multimillion-dollar research grant.

Among the items the nonprofit EcoHealth Alliance must provide to resume funding is a sample of the new coronavirus that the Wuhan researchers used to determine its genetic sequence, according to a July 8 letter from the NIH viewed by The Wall Street Journal.

...
https://www.wsj.com/articles/nih-pr...information-on-wuhan-virology-lab-11597829400
 
Emily - Outrageous seems perfectly apt to me. The NIH grant procedure gave a grant to Eco-Health Alliance following its own mandated grant application scoring procedures which is designed to let the research applications that most closely match its list of priorities get awarded funds. Eco-Health alliance's application ticked all the right boxes as it was performing research into a poorly sampled host reservoir of a pathogen with know pandemic potential. This pandemic seems to have confirmed they, and the NIH, were completely vindicated in their priorities and that more research of this type is a high priority. The whole system was designed to let the NIH be independent of lobbying and political pressure and only fund research on its merits. Eco-Health scored very highly and was given the funds. Then an unproven accusation, with no merit and against the scientific consensus, was made regarding genetic manipulation. The funding was withdrawn under political pressure. This has destroyed decades of best practice and leaves everyone else who has been given an NIH research grant wondering if some politician, or twitter meme, is going to get their funding pulled. A very sad day for science and the United states. Galileo seemed to have a similar problem, he said something true but politically inconvenient. What happened to evidence based science in the USA?
 
De plus,

le choix de son titre, me semble une faute. C'est un concept de gestion, que doivent s'approprier, les scientiques de chaque pays.

Bien sur, cela n'a de sens, que si, au minimum, la tracabilite est cr?dible ?
 
Back
Top