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  • #91
    Re: July San Paolo Sequence Released

    Originally posted by Snicklefritz View Post
    Snicklefritz said:



    The bold underlined portion was a question that I have not heard an answer to. Do we know if this change is clinically significant? The fact that the poor girl in Sao Paolo had this change, and died, does not mean her death was caused by this change. Thousands have already died that apparently did not have this change. Or, have I messed that up too?

    I'm just looking for clarification. What does this change mean, beyond being evidence that this may be a 1918 rerun?
    So far the case fatality rate is 100%.

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    • #92
      Re: July San Paolo Sequence Released

      Disappointing response, Dr. Niman.

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      • #93
        Re: July San Paolo Sequence Released

        Originally posted by Snicklefritz View Post
        Disappointing response, Dr. Niman.
        Most of the information has already been posted. The only pandemic sequence with V252M is the sequence from the first fatal case in Sao Paulo. I believe that the only sequence from a fatal case in Brazil is the Sao Paulo case. The latest update from Brazil shows that the largest number of deaths (32) are in the Sao Paulo area. The second highest number of deaths is in the region just to the south, Rio Grande de sol, with 21 deaths. Since the total for all of Brazil is 61, the fact that 53 are in Sao Paulo or the adjacent region to the south (and almost all have been reported in the past few weeks) is significant.
        See map

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        • #94
          Re: July San Paolo Sequence Released

          The girl died because she was not treated with Tamiflu. Even when she got worse. She did not have any link with confirmed cases or people from countries with cases. The test just got out after her death. Her death and the other death at Osasco made the gov to declare the A/H1N1 flu sustained inside Brazilian territory. A late announcement of course. The gov also said she had an underlying condition (a strange story of her have low immunity for a disease when she was 2 and denied by the family) the young man was healthy.

          The girl - Marcelle Camila Laguna, 11yo, 06/30/09
          Died after 6 hours at hospital and 2 days after first symptoms

          The yong man, 21yo, 07/11/09
          Went to hospital with symptoms twice
          06/28 ? looked for doctor advice at Hospital and was sent back home
          07/01 ? got in hospital with symptoms
          07/11 ? died with pneumonia

          He also didn't received Tamiflu treatment.

          07/16/09 - Health Minister declare sustained transmission on Brazilian territory - which means that doctor would consider any flu case suspect of being the new one and consider Tamiflu. Note - we are in the flu season here which makes more difficult to doctors make a decision, Tamiflu does not work for seasonal flu.

          At least for now I can see that many deaths could be prevented by the correct treatment on time (48hs Tamiflu).

          They both were treated at same hospital. Relatives were infected and monitored too. No of them died.

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          • #95
            Re: July San Paolo Sequence Released

            Originally posted by tropicalgirl View Post
            The girl died because she was not treated with Tamiflu. Even when she got worse. She did not have any link with confirmed cases or people from countries with cases. The test just got out after her death. Her death and the other death at Osasco made the gov to declare the A/H1N1 flu sustained inside Brazilian territory. A late announcement of course. The gov also said she had an underlying condition (a strange story of her have low immunity for a disease when she was 2 and denied by the family) the young man was healthy.

            The girl - Marcelle Camila Laguna, 11yo, 06/30/09
            Died after 6 hours at hospital and 2 days after first symptoms

            The yong man, 21yo, 07/11/09
            Went to hospital with symptoms twice
            06/28 – looked for doctor advice at Hospital and was sent back home
            07/01 – got in hospital with symptoms
            07/11 – died with pneumonia

            He also didn't received Tamiflu treatment.

            07/16/09 - Health Minister declare sustained transmission on Brazilian territory - which means that doctor would consider any flu case suspect of being the new one and consider Tamiflu. Note - we are in the flu season here which makes more difficult to doctors make a decision, Tamiflu does not work for seasonal flu.

            At least for now I can see that many deaths could be prevented by the correct treatment on time (48hs Tamiflu).

            They both were treated at same hospital. Relatives were infected and monitored too. No of them died.
            If she died two days after first symptoms, this case has nothing to do with Tamiflu. Most patients are NOT treated within 48 hours of symptoms, and they do just fine (in fact most patients are NEVER treated with Tamiflu, and they recover without hospitalization).

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            • #96
              Re: July San Paolo Sequence Released

              None of the initial sequences from Argentina have V252M

              7785-Argentina-2009-S4-HA-4
              7937-Argentina-2009-S4-HA-11f
              7953-Argentina-2009-S4-HA-16
              7967-Argentina-2009-S4-HA-1
              7980-Argentina-2009-S4-HA-12
              8019-Argentina-2009-S4-HA-2
              8574-Argentina-2009-S4-HA-41
              9576-Argentina-2009-S4-HA-6
              9588-Argentina-2009-S4-HA-5
              9597-Argentina-2009-S4-HA-3
              9711-Argentina-2009-S4-HA-9

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              • #97
                Re: July San Paolo Sequence Released

                sequences from Argentina ?
                I'm interested in expert panflu damage estimates
                my current links: http://bit.ly/hFI7H ILI-charts: http://bit.ly/CcRgT

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                • #98
                  Re: July San Paolo Sequence Released

                  HA travel log
                  8574-Argentina-2009-S4-HA-41
                  gb|GQ414768.1| Influenza A virus (A/Sao Paulo/43812/2009(H1N1... 31.9 0.096
                  gb|GQ377095.1| Influenza A virus (A/California/24/2009(H1N1))... 31.9 0.096
                  gb|GQ359765.1| Influenza A virus (A/Stockholm/31/2009(H1N1)) ... 31.9 0.096
                  gb|GQ292961.1| Influenza A virus (A/Mexico City/22/2009(H1N1)... 31.9 0.096
                  gb|GQ229293.1| Influenza A virus (A/swine/Hong Kong/NS1659/20... 31.9 0.096
                  gb|GQ232085.1| Influenza A virus (A/Guangdong/02/2009(H1N1)) ... 31.9 0.096
                  gb|GQ223435.1| Influenza A virus (A/Guangdong/05/2009(H1N1)) ... 31.9 0.096
                  gb|GQ132144.1| Influenza A virus (A/Canada-ON/RV1529/2009(H1N... 31.9 0.096

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                  • #99
                    Re: July San Paolo Sequence Released

                    Blog on Argentina sequences

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                    • Re: July San Paolo Sequence Released

                      HA travel log

                      7785-Argentina-2009-S4-HA-4
                      gb|CY040553.1| Influenza A virus (A/swine/North Carolina/4620... 26.3 706

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                      • Re: July San Paolo Sequence Released

                        Originally posted by gsgs View Post
                        sequences from Argentina ?
                        Sequences are preliminary and at Columbia University website.

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                        • Re: July San Paolo Sequence Released

                          Seasonal flu acquisitions.

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                          • Re: July San Paolo Sequence Released

                            Originally posted by niman View Post
                            Seasonal flu acquisitions.
                            What do you mean by seasonal flu acquisitions?

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                            • Re: July San Paolo Sequence Released

                              Originally posted by Rwilmer View Post
                              What do you mean by seasonal flu acquisitions?
                              I number of the Argentina NA sequences have picked up a polymorphism found in seasonal flu.

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                              • Re: July San Paolo Sequence Released

                                So this is indicative of human adaption and evolution and increased virulence?

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