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    Crime bill asks hospital staff to report illegals

    (ANSA) - Rome, February 5 - The Italian parliament on Thursday approved a measure requiring doctors to report illegal immigrants, unleashing a barrage of criticism.

    The measure, which would lift confidentiality provisions for illegals who need hospital care, was contained in a crime bill passed by the Senate to the Chamber of Deputies.

    The Italian association of hospital doctors has criticised the measure and said its members will not act as ''spies''.

    The opposition described the measure, which was put into the bill by the regionalist Northern League, as ''racist'' and ''fascist''.

    The Italian branch of Doctors Without Borders warned it could keep illegal immigrants away from hospitals with health risks for society.

    It appealed to the lower house to stave off ''the dangerous healthcare marginalisation of a swathe of the foreign population''.

    The largest opposition party, the Democratic Party (PD), led the criticism in parliament. Democratic Party (PD) Senate whip Anna Finocchiaro said the measure would ''spread fear among people who will no longer go to hospital to give birth or seek treatment for their children, or will hide diseases even if they are contagious''.

    ''You have crossed the line from law-making to persecution,'' she told the government, arguing that the measure would fuel racism.

    Finocchiaro also noted that the government was defeated three times on the bill Wednesday despite its overwhelming majority, an alleged indication that many in the ruling parties thought the measure went too far. EXTREME RIGHT SLAMS MEASURE TOO.

    Italy's only black MP, Congo-born Jean-Leonard Touadi, also in the PD, called the measure ''a return to fascist-era snooping'' and said many illegals would choose death over expulsion.

    ''I therefore ask my colleagues in the majority: where are the Christian values whose flag they have wrapped themselves in? Where is the right to life, bandied around so much at the moment,'' he said, referring to a landmark right-to-die ruling the government and the Catholic Church is fighting against. The hard-left Communist Refoundation party called the measure ''clearly neo-Nazi and, most of all, stupid,'' while the extreme-right New Force party said it was ''spine-chilling''.

    ''It's not by forcing doctors to betray their Hippocratic oath that you're going to combat immigration,'' said New Force official Paolo Caratossidis, stressing that ''everyone has the right to medical treatment''.

    The measure was also condemned by leftwing union CGIL which said it ''shows the cultural, political and ethical degradation of the majority''.

    CGIL said its medical chapters would look at ''all necessary means'' to stop the measure being applied.

    The leader of the small leftwing Democratic Left party, EuroMP Claudio Fava, linked the doctors' measure to other parts of the crime bill including the registration of street people and the approval of citizen's crimewatch patrols.

    ''With this bill, (Premier Silvio) Berlusconi's Italy has effectively moved beyond the bounds of the European Union,'' he said, announcing an appeal to Brussels to open a formal procedure against the government's ''manifest xenophobia...like (late rightwing leader Georg) Haider's Austria''. 'ITALIANS RIGHTS COME FIRST'.

    The government insists the measure is needed to help crack down on illegal immigration, which has risen steadily in recent years and has been linked to high-profile crimes.

    The Senate whip for Berlusconi's People of Freedom party, Maurizio Gasparri, rejected suggestions that the crime bill was largely the work of the Northern League, saying: ''the bill is backed by the entire majority because we are convinced that the rights of Italians must take first place''.

    Arguing that the bill would help combat people trafficking, he said: ''There is no racism here. There was racism by progressive mayors who allowed shanty towns to spread, where babies die at night because of fires''. The Northern League hailed the vote as ''a victory for our militants'' and pooh-poohed the opposition's strictures. ''You are with the foreigners, you defend foreigners and you're against Italians,'' said League Senate whip Federico Bricolo, answering shouts of ''xenophobia'' from the opposition benches.

    ''You can call us xenophobic all you like, it only wins us more votes''.

    Before passing into law, the bill must be approved by the lower house.

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    This will put everyone's health at risk. Just visualize an untreated XRTB case.

    Hopefully, the EU, WHO, & UN will pressure them to reconsider the bill.

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      Originally posted by AlaskaDenise View Post

      The Italian association of hospital doctors has criticised the measure and said its members will not act as ''spies''.
      This is what one would expect from doctors. However the problem is: even if the (illegal or legal) migrants think the police could be warned by doctors or hospitals, they will not look for treatment.

      To "protect" Italian society, the health of Italian society is put at risk.
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        Doctors shouldn't be required by law to break their oath.

        ''everyone has the right to medical treatment''
        This is true until the hospitals can no longer shoulder the financial burden and start shutting their doors. Then everyone suffers in one way or another.

        Berlusconi created more than a little opposition with his plan to build a new containment facility for illegal African immigrants on the island of Lampedusa.

        Residents of the Italian island of Lampedusa are rebelling against Rome. Thousands of refugees who have arrived there by boat could soon be interred on the small island -- to prevent them from disappearing into the European Union.
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        • #5
          Italian doctors forced to report illegal immigrants

          Sick illegal immigrants will not seek treatment in fear of being deported. Not a positive public health situation.

          Italian doctors forced to report illegal immigrants

          Italy's doctors will have to report suspected illegal immigrants to the authorities, in a move which they say will turn them into government spies.





          By Nick Squires in Rome
          Last Updated: 7:03PM GMT 05 Feb 2009

          Italy's only black MP, Jean-Leonard Touadi, who is originally from the Congo, criticised the law as 'a return to fascist-era snooping' Photo:
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          The Italian parliament passed a bill on Thursday which will compel medical staff to contact the police if they believe that the patient they are treating does not have a valid visa or work permit.


          Opposition MPs condemned the measure as "racist" while doctors groups said it would turn them into informers of the kind last seen in Italy during Mussolini's fascist regime.


          Italy's only black MP, Jean-Leonard Touadi, who is originally from the Congo, criticised the law as "a return to fascist-era snooping".


          Italy's Association of Hospital Doctors said its members objected to acting as "spies" while the Italian branch of Medecins Sans Frontieres said sick or injured illegal immigrants would shun hospitals and clinics rather than risk deportation.


          An MP from the opposition Democratic Party, Anna Finocchiaro, said the law would "spread fear among people who will no longer go to hospital to give birth or seek treatment for their children, or will hide diseases even if they are contagious." She accused the centre-right government of Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi of "crossing the line from law-making to persecution".


          But the government insisted the law was necessary because of the large number of illegal immigrants in Italy, which it blames for many of the country's law and order problems.


          The government deployed 3,000 soldiers onto the streets of Italy's big cities last year and Mr Berlusconi last month suggested increasing the number to 30,000, although he subsequently played down the proposal.
          The bill, which was passed by the Senate and is likely to be approved by the lower house of parliament, was put forward by the anti-immigration, separatist Northern League.


          When opposition MPs accused a Northern League MP, Federico Bricolo, of xeno phobia, he replied: "You can call us xeno phobic all you like, it only wins us more votes."


          He told the opposition: "You are with the foreigners, you defend foreigners and you're against Italians." The bill also called for police to register tramps and the homeless on official files and approved "citizens" patrols' which have been established by the Northern League in the northern part of the country, in which it is most popular.


          The law also calls for illegal immigrants to be imprisoned for up to four years if they refuse to leave Italy after being served with expulsion orders


          Italy's doctors will have to report suspected illegal immigrants to the authorities, in a move which they say will turn them into government spies.
          Last edited by AlaskaDenise; February 21, 2009, 04:53 AM. Reason: remove photo

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            approval of citizen's crimewatch patrols.
            Are they allowing vigilantes?

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              It looks like they are.

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                law also calls for illegal immigrants to be imprisoned for up to four years if they refuse to leave Italy after being served with expulsion orders
                Are they sure that creates the desired result?

                In jail they'll have free food, etc., is this really an incentive to leave? Is jail better than their homeland?

                Also, are inmates in Italy entitled to free medical care? If so, they've just undone the doctor-as-spy law.

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                  Cardboard city for Italy migrants

                  video at: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7908910.stm

                  Hundreds of migrants in southern Italy have established a so-called cardboard city inside a disused factory.

                  The men are all in Italy illegally and are living without heat, water or electricity.

                  Duncan Kennedy visited the building described as "hell on earth" by international aid agency, Doctors without Borders.

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