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    Experts worry Ebola could mutate to spread by air

    Read more: http://www.ctvnews.ca/health/experts...#ixzz3D7aaizTL

    Helen Branswell, The Canadian Press
    Published Friday, September 12, 2014 6:28AM EDT
    Last Updated Friday, September 12, 2014 11:56AM EDT

    TORONTO -- The unprecedented spread of the Ebola virus in West Africa may be pushing the world toward a viral disaster, a commentary published in Friday's New York Times suggests.
    The article reveals that experts are worried ongoing transmission of the virus through people runs the risk of giving rise to mutations that might allow Ebola to spread through the air, like some of the world's most contagious viruses. The virus currently spreads when a person has contact with contaminated bodily fluids.
    The article bears the headline: What We're Afraid to Say About Ebola. It was written by Michael Osterholm of the University of Minnesota's Center for Infectious Diseases Research and Policy.

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    Osterholm suggested each infection gives the mutating virus "trillions of throws of the genetic dice."
    "The current Ebola virus's hyper-evolution is unprecedented; there has been more human-to-human transmission in the past four months than most likely occurred in the last 500 to 1,000 years," he said in his Times commentary.
    Ebola currently spreads through exposure to bodily fluids like vomit, blood or feces. Exposure is high risk for those who encounter these fluids, but only those caring for sick patients or preparing the dead for burial do.
    "If certain mutations occurred, it would mean that just breathing would put one at risk of contracting Ebola. Infections could spread quickly to every part of the globe, as the H1N1 influenza virus did in 2009, after its birth in Mexico," Osterholm wrote.
    Last edited by sharon sanders; September 12, 2014, 07:40 PM. Reason: please - snips only :)

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    Re: Experts worry Ebola could mutate to spread by air

    Liberian SitReps #116 and #118 show a 2 day, 9/9-9/10, increase of 231 new cases (or 223 new cases in a different table), which if continued would double the 9/10 new case Liberian total from 2415 to 4830 in just 20 days, by Sep. 30, and then double again to 10,000 total cases by Oct. 20, if the trends persist.

    If these statistics are not new case overstatements due to difficulties and errors in data capture, classification and reporting, the 100% increases in the 2 day new Liberian case numbers could be signaling the beginning of an infection rate runaway.

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    • #3
      Re: Experts worry Ebola could mutate to spread by air

      The Zaire strain became less virulent as it adapted to humans during the 1976 outbreak.


      1976 Zaire strain outbreak study: Fewer haemorrhagic manifestations & fatalities during later stages of the epidemic after the virus had undergone several generations in man
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        Re: Experts worry Ebola could mutate to spread by air

        Osterholm suggested each infection gives the mutating virus "trillions of throws of the genetic dice."
        "The current Ebola virus's hyper-evolution is unprecedented; there has been more human-to-human transmission in the past four months than most likely occurred in the last 500 to 1,000 years," he said in his Times commentary.
        It wiped out thousands upon thousands of non-human primates - 5,000 in a single study area - a decade ago.

        That provoked very little interest, despite the potential for mutation being just as high as in humans.

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          Re: Experts worry Ebola could mutate to spread by air

          Accepted, but it gives rise to an interesting question.

          Primates do not (generally) live in large groups, and dont have 'funeral rites'; so how did it spread so widely?

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            Re: Experts worry Ebola could mutate to spread by air

            Originally posted by Vibrant62 View Post
            Accepted, but it gives rise to an interesting question.

            Primates do not (generally) live in large groups, and dont have 'funeral rites'; so how did it spread so widely?
            What do you mean by 'large groups'? Chimps are 'highly affiliative.'

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              Re: Experts worry Ebola could mutate to spread by air

              Originally posted by Vibrant62 View Post
              Accepted, but it gives rise to an interesting question.

              Primates do not (generally) live in large groups, and dont have 'funeral rites'; so how did it spread so widely?
              Grooming

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                Re: Experts worry Ebola could mutate to spread by air

                Originally posted by Donners View Post
                It wiped out thousands upon thousands of non-human primates - 5,000 in a single study area - a decade ago.

                That provoked very little interest, despite the potential for mutation being just as high as in humans.
                Do you have a link to a study that shows that a mutation was involved? Goodall just describes a prolonged outbreak, (discovered through retrospective analysis), spanning years as racking up those numbers.
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                • #9
                  Re: Experts worry Ebola could mutate to spread by air

                  Originally posted by curiosity View Post
                  Grooming
                  As each group of say 25 primates became infected, there would have been survivors, but these would be unlikely to join a new group rapidly, and in theory, survivors should have been immune. The amount of cross group interactions are highly limited, according to behavioural studies I have read.

                  I think that possibly rather than passing the infection repeatedly amongst differing groups (i.e successive transmissions), this may have come about through repeated introductions over time, probably via consumption of fruit infected by ebola carrying fruit bats. Need to read the full papers...

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                    Re: Experts worry Ebola could mutate to spread by air

                    Originally posted by Vibrant62 View Post
                    As each group of say 25 primates became infected, there would have been survivors, but these would be unlikely to join a new group rapidly, and in theory, survivors should have been immune. The amount of cross group interactions are highly limited, according to behavioural studies I have read.

                    I think that possibly rather than passing the infection repeatedly amongst differing groups (i.e successive transmissions), this may have come about through repeated introductions over time, probably via consumption of fruit infected by ebola carrying fruit bats. Need to read the full papers...
                    You must not have been reading about chimps.

                    http://www.janegoodall.ca/about-chim...ganization.php
                    Chimpanzees live in social groups called communities or unit groups. At Gombe, the number of individuals in the main study community, Kasakela, has ranged between 40 and 60 since 1960. Communities may be smaller or larger in other areas.

                    Chimpanzees' social structure can be categorized as "fusion-fission." This means they travel around in small subgroups of up to 10 chimps, the membership of which is always changing as individuals wander off on their own or join other groups. At times many of a community's members come together in large excited gatherings, usually when fruit is available in one part of the range, or when a sexually popular female comes into oestrus (period of female sexual receptivity).
                    As for contaminated fruit - it might protect, rather than harm.

                    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/06/he...nity.html?_r=0
                    One of France?s leading Ebola experts says he believes that many rural villagers are ?vaccinated? by eating fruit gnawed on by bats and contaminated with their saliva.

                    ?We imagine that this is the main route,? said Dr. Eric M. Leroy, a veterinarian and virologist at the International Center for Medical Research in Franceville, Gabon. ?But it is a hypothesis. We do not have the evidence.?
                    Also ebola seems to thrive when fruit and other food sources are affected by drought:

                    http://ucsdnews.ucsd.edu/archive/new...nce/sebola.asp
                    However, according to the findings, the spread of Ebola also depends on climate factors. Illness and deaths among animals were most prevalent during periods of prolonged drought-like conditions in the rainforest, which indicates that severe environmental stress may facilitate disease transmission.
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                      Re: Experts worry Ebola could mutate to spread by air

                      OK - I stand corrected, if the group studied and subject to ebola was chimps rather than Gorillas or other primates. Always happy to learn. As I said, I need to read the papers

                      Donners - do you have a link to the study that was referred to?

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                      • #12
                        Re: Experts worry Ebola could mutate to spread by air

                        Originally posted by Emily View Post
                        Do you have a link to a study that shows that a mutation was involved? Goodall just describes a prolonged outbreak, (discovered through retrospective analysis), spanning years as racking up those numbers.
                        Ah, that's exactly my point.

                        This is the part I was reacting to:

                        Osterholm suggested each infection gives the mutating virus "trillions of throws of the genetic dice."

                        "The current Ebola virus's hyper-evolution is unprecedented; there has been more human-to-human transmission in the past four months than most likely occurred in the last 500 to 1,000 years," he said in his Times commentary.
                        That is strictly true, but it completely ignores the vast number of non-human primate infections in recent years.

                        The Ebola virus is marching steadily across western and central Africa, wiping out more than 90 percent of the gorillas in its path and threatening the species with extinction, a new study says.

                        About 5,000 gorillas were killed by the virus in one study area alone, according to results to be published in tomorrow's issue of the journal Science.


                        Each of those infections had the same "trillions of throws of the genetic dice" the article refers to as the human infections.

                        That adds quite a bit of context to the scenario the article is describing. If the human cases have the potential of making it transmissible in a different manner, so did all of those.

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                          Re: Experts worry Ebola could mutate to spread by air

                          So my query remains valid. If the infection in gorillas arose from multiple unique point introductions with limited transmission amongst troops before burning out, as opposed to sequential infections throughout the gorilla population, that observation may not hold true. What we are currently seeing is extensive h2h2h2h etc infections, not multiple unique introductions. In the current human transmission scenario, any mutations and adaptations would be cumulative.

                          I am not sure we can draw parralels?

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                            Re: Experts worry Ebola could mutate to spread by air

                            Thanks for posting the article, Donners. I think I see your point - the massive epidemic among gorillas launched no airborne ebola version.

                            Vibrant, I don't think there is evidence that the gorilla epidemic was not spread from animal to animal. They do have inter-group social movements.



                            The timing spelled out in this paper indicates that the nastiness started before the epidemic due to a recombination event, not as a result of the epidemic.

                            http://www.pnas.org/content/104/43/17123.short
                            Isolates of Zaire ebolavirus from wild apes reveal genetic lineage and recombinants

                            ...
                            ...Based on data from two ZEBOV genes, we also demonstrate, within the family Filoviridae, recombination between the two lineages. According to our estimates, this event took place between 1996 and 2001 and gave rise to a group of recombinant viruses that were responsible for a series of outbreaks in 2001?2003. The potential for recombination adds an additional level of complexity to unraveling and potentially controlling the emergence of ZEBOV in humans and wildlife species.
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                              Re: Experts worry Ebola could mutate to spread by air

                              Another expert, Dr. Anthony Fauci, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID). says airborne Ebola would be very unusual:

                              Any opinions expressed in my posts are strictly my own and do not necessarily represent those of FluTrackers.com

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