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Would you accept a safe H5N1 pre-pandemic vaccine now?

Would you accept a safe H5N1 pre-pandemic vaccine now?

  • Yes

    Votes: 13 65.0%
  • No

    Votes: 5 25.0%
  • Not sure

    Votes: 2 10.0%

  • Total voters
    20
  • Poll closed .

AlaskaDenise

In Memoriam
If you had the opportunity to have a proven-safe H5N1 pre-pandemic vaccine available NOW, would you do so? It would probably be expensive and there is no guarantee how close it would match a potential pandemic strain.

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Re: Would you accept a safe H5N1 pre-pandemic vaccine now?

I think I would need rather more data before I could answer that one. If I was convinced it really was safe and the sequence(s) it was based on were likely to provide some resistance then yes. Having said that I am a UK resident so a downside to our NHS is I don't normally get to make this kind of decision, that is done by a GP if NICE have added it to an approved list.
 
Re: Would you accept a safe H5N1 pre-pandemic vaccine now?

From what I read about the Sanofi clinical trials, I probably would be hesitant to be vaxed from that stockpile. The fact that I'm healthy, in the older age group and feel we have at least another year figure in to my decision.
 
Re: Would you accept a safe H5N1 pre-pandemic vaccine now?

I probably would insist my husband have one. He is in a business where his presence is mandatory regardless of health threats. I would probably also have myself vaxed simply because it does help make life a little safer. I trust the alternative therapies I have researched but why not add another level of safety?
 
Re: Would you accept a safe H5N1 pre-pandemic vaccine now?

I'm not in the medical field so my interpretation of the trial results may be incorrect. Here's an excerpt:
Immunologically, the two highest dose levels induced significant HAI titers and seroconversion. Using conventional influenza immunogenicity criteria, over 45% of healthy adult subjects achieved a potentially protective response following vaccination with 90 ug HA.

Antibody responses to this H5N1 vaccine were most pronounced after two vaccinations in the two highest dose levels wherein approximately 34% to 45% of a population of healthy female or male adults could be expected to achieve a clinically significant antibody response.
I interpret this to say that between 34-45% will have the response they were hoping for. If you were to receive this vax tomorrow, will you know you are protected? There are even questions right now about seasonal vax and the elderly; and look how long they have been getting those.
Now, otoh, this is probably a really good time to test for any adverse reactions. In the middle of a pandemic is no time to find the FDA issuing a vax recall.
 
Re: Would you accept a safe H5N1 pre-pandemic vaccine now?

If you had the opportunity to have a proven-safe H5N1 pre-pandemic vaccine available NOW, would you do so?

Is this a trick question? :)

If it is "proven-safe", why not? There would be no inherent risk. But vaccinations always carry some minimal risk.

And as JJackson points out, it must be able to provide some measurable resistance to circulating H5N1 strains, otherwise why waste the money. But we don't know how much immunity current H5N1 vaccines might provide once a pandemic strain evolves.

A vaccine that provides only minimal immunity might provide a false sense of security and lead people to take chances they shouldn't. For some people in mission critical positions vaccinations will be absolutely necessary, even it is a mismatched vaccine and only provides very limited immunity.
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Re: Would you accept a safe H5N1 pre-pandemic vaccine now?

When/if a pandemic comes, I wonder how many folks will decline a less-than-perfect match, not understanding it may be what ultimately saves their lives? I fear that many have unrealistic expectations that a vaccine must prevent the disease. The pre-pandemic vaccine might not do that, however it might lessen the severity enough to stop serious permanent damage. It would be difficult to sell the concept, since we don't expect influenza to cause permanent brain damage or create large holes in our lungs - as some of the early treated survivors now have.

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Re: Would you accept a safe H5N1 pre-pandemic vaccine now?

I think the unrealistic expectations would come in the belief, not so much that it *must* prevent the disease but that it *will* prevent it.

We know it won't: but unless the doctors tell people that only 45% will be sufficiently protected and the rest will be sort of protected, people would continue their habits as though they were totally immune, imo of course.

Hopefully, we will have more effective vax available when the time comes that we need it.
 
Re: Would you accept a safe H5N1 pre-pandemic vaccine now?

I chose "not sure" since I don't plan to be exposed to H5N1 early in a pandemic scenario. However, there would be no question that I would recommend a pre-pandemic vaccine to any/all people who have not prepped to SIP or who will be unable to SIP due to work being considered essential.
 
Re: Would you accept a safe H5N1 pre-pandemic vaccine now?

I voted yes. Alaska Denise has it right, protection from infection is not the intent of pre-pandemic vacination, reducing the severity of symptoms is.

It seems highly likely to me that vaccination with any reasonably close H5N1 strain is likely to reduce the consequences of subsequent infection during a pandemic whether or not there is an exact "match" with the pandemic strain. It also seems to me that the likely risks associated with a tested and approved vaccine, while real, are dwarfed by the risks of pandemic infection in the absence of any previous exposure to H5N1.

While avoidance of infection may be achievable, I expect that it will prove very difficult, so I would opt for vaccination if I had the chance.

Allan Edie
 
Re: Would you accept a safe H5N1 pre-pandemic vaccine now?

It's interesting that among the well-informed members here, about 1/3 would NOT want a pre-pandemic vaccine.

How does this translate to what the general uninformed public would do?

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Re: Would you accept a safe H5N1 pre-pandemic vaccine now?

It's interesting that among the well-informed members here, about 1/3 would NOT want a pre-pandemic vaccine.

How does this translate to what the general uninformed public would do?

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Your original post said *right now* and that's what I based my answer on. Partially because I think we have time left and hope there will be a better vax available. Now, if I believed AI is going to be here soon, then I probably would accept whatever is available.

I have a problem with the effectiveness of the current vax. An uninformed public would have to be informed of that issue or they would think they were totally immune and act accordingly.
 
Re: Would you accept a safe H5N1 pre-pandemic vaccine now?

Yes, I think an informed public will be very important. We have had trouble with trying to institute preventative vaccines of this nature in the past... But if large numbers of people starting dying and therefore the threat was more imminent I'm sure we would see more clamoring for any vaccine that was available with less concern for the side effects of which there are always some....

Here are some interesting excerpts from 'State of Immunity, The Politics of Vaccination in Tweintieth-Century America' , 2006, by James Colgrove..

Smallpox

It was thus against a a backdrop of confusion among the public, sharp disagreements among health professionals, bioterrorism experts, and politicians about risks, benefits, and precautionary action, and the buildup to an increasingly likely war with Iraq that President George W. Bush announced a comprehensive plan to protect the nation from smallpox in mid December 2002. While admitting that his administration had 'no information that a smallpox attack is imminent,' Bush outlined an ambitious three-phase plan. In the first phase, about half a million health care workers and emergency personnel were to be vaccinated within thirty days. Thereupon a broader effort would commence, targeting some 10 million health care workers. Finally, in late spring or early summer, the vaccine would be made available to any adult for whom it was not medically contraindicated.


Former CDC director William Foege was among many who publicly criticized the scope of the plan. Foege's years of experience on the front lines of the global smallpox eradication program in the 1970s gave him special credibility on this issue, which he drew upon when he argued in a Washington Post op-ed column that ring vaccination, not blanketing the general population, was the wisest course of action. Ring vaccination had been effective, he wrote,

even in a place like India, with its high population density, millions on trains at any one time and many people without actual addresses. For anyone not involved in that effort, ring vaccination seemed--and probably still seems-- counterintuitive. But in India we went from the highest incidence of smallpox recorded in decades in May 1974 to zero in May 1975... Compare this with the record of mass vaccination programs, which had been tried in India for more than 150 years without success . The key to fighting smallpox proved to be not background immunity but diligence in finding and vaccinating every possible contact of every patient.

Because of the administration's failure to win the support of frontline health care providers around the country, the program never met the goal laid out in phase one, much less progressed to the second or third stages. Out of the half a million health care workers targeted to receive the vaccine in the first phase, less that ten percent--approximately 40,000 people nationwide--were vaccinated

Anthrax

Another vaccine dispute emerged from the US military. In December 1997, US Defense Secretary William Cohen announced a plan to vaccinate all 2.4 million members of the military against anthrax, a highly lethal bacterial infection. It was the first time that the military had attempted to immunize all active and reserve members against a potential biological weapon, and reflected a growing concern that countries hostile to the United States were developing a variety of agents that could be used for chemical warfare. The vaccine--administered in six injections over the course of eighteen months--was known to cause minor side effects such as pain and swelling at the infection site, headache, and fever, but rumors soon began to circulate among service members that it could cause sterility and paralysis. Many soldiers refused the shots and, in so doing, faced a variety of disciplinary actions, including court-martial,. The resistance was fueled in part by widespread mistrust of the military's past responses to soldiers' health problems, including its failure to be forthcoming about issues such as Agent Orange and Gulf War Syndrome. By eary 2000, some three hundred fifty service members had refused the shots, and an unknown number had left the service rather than be forced to undergo them. The problems with morale and refusal attracted the attention of some members of Congress, who called on the Pentagon to suspend the program in light of concerns about the vaccine's safety and efficacy.

Swine Flu

In 1976, the CDC had to deal with one of the most difficult crises in its history: forestalling a feared epidemic of swine flu.

In January 1976, an army cadet at Fort Dix in New Jersey died of the flu. A culture of the virus revealed that the strain was closely related to the one that had caused the worldwide influenza pandemic in 1918 that had killed at least 20 million people. Alarmed officials at the CDC considered mounting a mass campaign to protect every American from the possible reemergence of the deadly strain. In April, David Sencer, the CDC's director, recommended that a mass vaccination program go forward and President Gerald Ford announced it to the country.

In a survey in New York City in mid November, more than half the respondents said they had not been vaccinated and did not intend to be, citing as reasons that the vaccine was unnecessary, that they were afraid of it, or that their physician had recommended against it.

By mid December more than fifty cases of Guillain-Barre Syndrome had been reported, the majority of cases had received the vaccine within the previous month. On December 16, 1976, the program was suspended, never to resume. Some 40 million people had received the vaccine. Although this was the largest number of people ever vaccinated in a single mass campaign, it was less than one-fifth of the national target population.
 
Re: Would you accept a safe H5N1 pre-pandemic vaccine now?

But if large numbers of people starting dying and therefore the threat was more imminent I'm sure we would see more clamoring for any vaccine that was available ....

I'm old enough to remember polio!

We all gladly lined up to take our sugar-cube vaccine, knowing there were some polio cases that may have been caused by the vaccine. We KNEW the alternative, NO vaccine, was far worse.

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Re: Would you accept a safe H5N1 pre-pandemic vaccine now?

Polio did indeed have people terrified. My mother told me that parents were deathly afraid to even take their kids out. It was really sad to see pics of people in iron lungs.

A friend asked me yesterday: "All this pre-pandemic vaccination is going to be free, isn't it?"
 
Re: Would you accept a safe H5N1 pre-pandemic vaccine now?

"If you had the opportunity to have a proven-safe H5N1 pre-pandemic vaccine available NOW, would you do so? It would probably be expensive and there is no guarantee how close it would match a potential pandemic strain."

Yes, stored preventively, but inoculated only at the early start of the pandemic.

Remain the question if will be enaugh qualified med. personel for fast (in a few days) inoculations. Maybe a future "inhaled powder" version will be better?
 
Re: Would you accept a safe H5N1 pre-pandemic vaccine now?

It's interesting that among the well-informed members here, about 1/3 would NOT want a pre-pandemic vaccine.

How does this translate to what the general uninformed public would do?

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An uninformed public would take their cues from MSM (main-stream-media), employer mandate, friends or trusted family doc, I suspect.
 
Re: Would you accept a safe H5N1 pre-pandemic vaccine now?

I'm still hung up on the cost factor in the event we do have a pandemic.

Since our government's plan is to eventually have enough vax for everyone, I was just assuming it was going to be free.

In the *what if* scenario of AlaskaDenise's, cost factor could price the poor right out of existence.
 
Re: Would you accept a safe H5N1 pre-pandemic vaccine now?

I'm still hung up on the cost factor in the event we do have a pandemic.

Since our government's plan is to eventually have enough vax for everyone, I was just assuming it was going to be free.

In the *what if* scenario of AlaskaDenise's, cost factor could price the poor right out of existence.

IF the reason of an country for NOT deploying to all citizens free prepandemic vax, or not enaugh vax (ex.: vax triage on 1/4% of population) is the "preventive cost factor",
than the needed "give us a chance" option is to:

1 - previously by mass media, informing the citizens of the danger if they will not have a possibility to got an prepandemic vaccine, and will be without a pandemic vaccine

2 - allow private checking, buying, and distribution of prepandemic vax preventively before the pandemic starts, and let every citizen to decide if he/her want to buy it.
Organize the vaccinations
This will give a chance to every citizen to have an prepandemic vaccine if the country don't assure vax for all.
For the poorer who can't afford it, set up an donor fund.

3 - not to doing 2. will left the citizens to various prepandemic vax "triage" policies - this can't be acceptable if the costs for the "remain out" citizens are payed privately in advance before the vax production.
 
Re: Would you accept a safe H5N1 pre-pandemic vaccine now?

Ok, I didn't realize we have the option of buying the vax but not taking the shot. If that is part of this scenario, then I will re-think my original reply.

If I could buy enough vax for 2 shots for $100 and only take the actual shot when I thought a pandemic was in the very near future, then I would do it. But to take the shot today, my answer is still no.
 
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