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With Ebola, no safe distance for 1st responders

MHSC

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The Ebola story in America ? about that single case in Texas ? is properly told at a calm and rational distance.

There's the distance between your eyes and the paper or the screen where you're reading or watching the news about Ebola victim Thomas Eric Duncan and his family, quarantined in Dallas.

Beyond that is another distance, to some city where an epidemiologist in a lab coat talks in dry tones about precautions and necessary steps.

But some can't keep a distance from this. They are the first responders, the emergency medical technicians and paramedics.

They're the first to open the door and see a man on the ground, vomiting, and perhaps children and other adults, worried and afraid, ready to bolt and run.

So I called a Chicago Fire Department paramedic I've known for a long time. "That distance, well, there is no distance for us," he said. "It's over once you walk in. You're in it.

"Say there's a person vomiting, with fever, and the first thing you do is ask the question, and they give you the magic answer: 'My brother just got back from West Africa.'

"And the training kicks in. You think, 'I've got to do A, then B, then C.' You do your job. You don't want two coppers coming through the door or firefighters going in. I'm in it, but I don't want anyone else in it.

"You get on the phone and tell the cops to set up a perimeter. You call the hospital and let them know what's coming and you talk it out with your bosses.

"Which hospital, how do they want you to go, do you use just one ambulance? I'd rather use the one, even if I have to make two trips, because I don't want to expose any more of our people.

"The thing is, you're in it, you're trained, you do your job. We've dealt with AIDS, and viruses and other hazards. We know what to do."

Then he paused and took a breath.

"The hard part comes after," he said.

What hard part?

"Well, if it's Ebola, the hardest part will be calling my house later and saying, 'Honey, I have a little problem. I'm not coming home tonight.'"

...

Ambulance 37 is parked in a Dallas city lot in the Pleasant Grove neighborhood. It, too, is under quarantine, with police rope around it and red tape on it warning of biohazard.
...

"We deal with infectious diseases all the time; influenza, TB, meningitis, all these things," he said. "Educating, I think, allays a lot of fears. They have an understanding of what to look for and what to do ? for many of the other infectious diseases that we deal with."

...

"Every EMS system in the country, every hospital, already has protocols for dealing with this level of infectious disease and transmission by blood and body fluids," Hinchey said.

There are also protocols with dealing with the family, the people who called for the ambulance, the ones who have been exposed.

"You have to keep them there, you can't let them leave," said my paramedic buddy. "Some will want to get out of there. Some will just sit there afraid. You have to treat them with respect and kindness, even when your brain is going 300 miles an hour, thinking, Did I do A, then B, then C?"

The Chicago paramedic said he hopes all emergency dispatchers begin asking questions before paramedics arrive, questions like:

Has the person been to Africa? Is he or she nauseated and perspiring?

...

"I don't think it'll happen here, but if it does, well, I know how I'll feel if I open the door and realize I'm in it," said the paramedic. "Like I just tried to swallow a basketball.

"But that's no different than being at Cicero and Harrison, hearing the pop-pop-pop-pop and there she is on the ground, some girl curled up. You run over to her, and your stomach's up in your throat.

"And then training takes over."
 
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So I called a Chicago Fire Department paramedic I've known for a long time. "That distance, well, there is no distance for us," he said. "It's over once you walk in. You're in it.

"And the training kicks in. You think, 'I've got to do A, then B, then C.' You do your job. You don't want two coppers coming through the door or firefighters going in. I'm in it, but I don't want anyone else in it.

"Every EMS system in the country, every hospital, already has protocols for dealing with this level of infectious disease and transmission by blood and body fluids," Hinchey said.

There are also protocols with dealing with the family, the people who called for the ambulance, the ones who have been exposed.

The Chicago paramedic said he hopes all emergency dispatchers begin asking questions before paramedics arrive....

I wonder how well all volunteer rescue squads in rural areas feel they have been trained for this sort of scenario?

In a few hours I'll be going to a fund raiser breakfast for the volunteer rescue squad in my county and I'll ask. I'll bring up the point about dispatchers also asking the right questions before the paramedics arrive.

At this point in time I don't think it's likely that we would see a case here in rural Sw VA but who knows what the future might hold.
 
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I've been an EMT in both a large city volunteer system (Virginia Beach) and rural SW VA. I'm no longer involved in either one, but in the early days of AIDS, I can attest to how paranoid many people were about transporting and treating possibly infectious patients. I'll be interested in hearing how your discussion goes today. One issue with rural areas, as you say, is the assumption that "it can't happen here." You know, we're a backwater, nobody comes here. With interstates snaking through nearly every backwater now, that's no longer true.
 
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I was rather late getting to the breakfast and about a mile before getting there I encountered two ambulances from station, lights and sirens going, headed in the opposite direction. Once there I saw several friends who are also members of the humane society, sat with them and we got to talking about hs issues. Neither of the two guys I know from the squad happened to be there and I did not get a chance to talk with others who were busy with clean up but it's likely that I'll run in to someone from a squad before too long in this small town and have a chance to talk.

Liz you mentioned in your post that in rural areas the assumption is that "nobody comes here" but that is not the case here in Floyd. It has become a tourist destination due to the music scene and many weekends there are even international visitors. Each July FloydFest brings 10,000+ folks from all over.

In theory I'm a member of the tiny CERT group but we have not met in years. Maybe time to try and revive it.
 
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First post here in years. I was active under a long-forgotten name back in the first flu days, and always look here for information when health news breaks.

A friend of mine is an ER nurse at the single hospital in our town of 80K. She repeats the talking point of 'not airborne = no worries', doesn't seem to have much more information than the infographic-ish CDC material.

Our town is very near the Canadian border and is a stopping point for travelers from all over the world. There are popular ski areas near by that draw thousands of people from all over. We have a state university with 14K students and 1200 staff, some of whom are returning from overseas, but I haven't been able to find out if Ebola-hit countries are included (although there are a fair number of students from Somalia and Ethiopia). The health officer for campus has a general notice posted about reporting to her office if the symptoms and travel history match, but that's about it.

Many of my friends are also law enforcement, and share the same level of talking point Ebola information. To put it bluntly, it's still a joke in my area to take a deeper interest in fact-finding about this outbreak, let alone to talk about it or be concerned.

I didn't really expect our local emergency responders to be glued to Flu Trackers, but the lack of concern and lack of desire for deeper information is troubling. It seems like this is the norm in many areas of the US.
 
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