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Wild birds or intensive farming to blame for Bird Flu?

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Re: Wild birds or intensive farming to blame for Bird Flu ?

If the chicken industry was to blame for the spread of bird flu, then how do you explain past flu pandemics? I'm sorry, this looks like an effort to shift the blame for the H5N1 virus from Mother Nature to chicken ranchers. It simply doesn't fit. Pandemics happen. And, we already know that all strains of the flu reside in ducks, they are the reservoir, not commercial chickens. And while some of the spread has been done by illegal smuggling of birds, and moving of manure from one country to another, it isn't the primary mode of distribution. Historical precedents of past pandemics are ample evidence that massive chicken ranching is not primarily to blame. Someone is distorting the facts because of their love of wild birds and their dislike of commercial chicken houses. While their love of wild birds is laudable, their refusal to face facts is not.
 
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(I didn't mean to delete this post...not sure what happened.)
 
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Shannon said:
Someone is distorting the facts because of their love of wild birds and their dislike of commercial chicken houses. While their love of wild birds is laudable, their refusal to face facts is not.
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:iagree:
 
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Shannon said:
If the chicken industry was to blame for the spread of bird flu, then how do you explain past flu pandemics? .......... Historical precedents of past pandemics are ample evidence that massive chicken ranching is not primarily to blame. ..........
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Very good point Shannon.

It seems reasonable that both increased use of chicken vaccinations and commercial chicken farming might accelerate the mutation rate and/or create more strains.

Given the increased cases of disease-species jumps in general - perhaps proximity and animal/human density are contributing factors.

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Re: Wild birds or intensive farming to blame for Bird Flu ?

Shannon, St Michael and AlaskaDenise haved been right in theyres answer goglicomplex.

The fact that wilds aquatic birds are the main genetic influenza pool is well known and generally accepted in the scientific community since 1992
Check this if you have time
http://www.h5n1experts.org/forum/showthread.php?p=527#post527

Also, there is some data that doesnt lie.

All the HPAI H5N1 bird flu strain found outside of China & South-East asia ever have been 98% and more similar in their sequences to the Quigai reference strain that was a major wild birds outbreak in china last year.

No exeption to the above haved been found (not even in India wich is pretty close to SE asia)

So, even if farming or illegal sell of infected chicken could had haved minor local influence, the main source from which theses strain are from is Wild Birds.

In SE asia the H5N1 genetic pool is more diversed and the non hygeinic breeding of chicken, water birds and pigs in backyard is the major source of problem.
 
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