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What It Must Be Like.....

sharon sanders

sharon sanders

Editor-in-Chief & President
I had the privilege and honor of participating in a funeral ceremony yesterday. I am a multi-religious person. I appreciate many religions.


What it must be like to step on shore, and find it - heaven,

To take hold of a hand, and find it - God's,

To breathe new air, and find it - celestial,

To feel invigorated, and find it - immortality,

To rise from the care, the loneliness, and the turmoil of earth into an unbroken calm, and find it - serenity.


:yinyang:
 
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To Florida1 and all,

Although I am primarily Roman Catholic, I have deep roots in the 'yin-yang' symbol at the bottom of your post. As a (former) liturgical musician I have also had the priviledge and honor of participating in the funerals of others, including some I call close friends.

Thank you and the 'board' here, for providing a safe place to express feelings and reflections of ultimacy.

When things turn very bad, it will be our over-arching, individual umbrellas of faith in whatever, or whoever that will determine who will come through with something yet left to give.

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If you believe that the Bible is the Word of God, as I do, especially since it has survived centuries of people trying to eradicate it, and has had over 600 unlikely prophecies come true, including the reunification of Israel, and if you believe that God would want us to have a way to know Him (otherwise why create us?) then it is the historically oldest, most proven, most died for, likeliest way God would have communicated with us , then the only way to get to heaven is to accept Jesus as your Savior and as the Son of God. Otherwise there won't be any tranquility or peace, only an eternity of "why didn't I make time to read it and pray and let God into my life?"
 
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I don't know if the cave men believed in just one God. But I read somewhere, that when the cavemen looked into the night sky and saw the twinkling stars....those stars were the campfires of their departed friends and relatives.
Nice religious belief.

The whole life of man is but a point of time; let us enjoy it.
Plutarch (46 AD - 120 AD)​
 
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Jonesie said:
I don't know if the cave men believed in just one God. But I read somewhere, that when the cavemen looked into the night sky and saw the twinkling stars....those stars were the campfires of their departed friends and relatives.
Nice religious belief.

The whole life of man is but a point of time; let us enjoy it. ​

Plutarch (46 AD - 120 AD)
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Probably the first form of religious belief among "cave men" was animism, the concept that all things are imbued with an inner spirit. (Discussion here)

A 19th century anthropologist, E. B. Tylor, was one of the first to study the question of how primitive man developed the concept of souls, and later religion. (Discussion here)
 
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Laidback Al said:
Probably the first form of religious belief among "cave men" was animism, the concept that all things are imbued with an inner spirit. (Discussion here)

A 19th century anthropologist, E. B. Tylor, was one of the first to study the question of how primitive man developed the concept of souls, and later religion. (Discussion here)
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Check the Pirah? people of the Amazon River basin (I like the Pirah? people!):
I [Daniel Everett] sat with a Pirah? once and he said, what does your god do? What does he do? And I said, well, he made the stars, and he made the Earth. And I asked, what do you say? He said, well, you know, nobody made these things, they just always were here. They have no concept of God. They have individual spirits, but they believe that they have seen these spirits, and they believe they see them regularly. In fact, when you look into it, these aren't sort of half-invisible spirits that they're seeing, they just take on the shape of things in the environment. They'll call a jaguar a spirit, or a tree a spirit, depending on the kinds of properties that it has. "Spirit" doesn't really mean for them what it means for us, and everything they say they have to evaluate empirically. This is what I hadn't been doing, and this challenged the faith that I thought I had, to the extent that I realized that it wasn't honest for me to continue to claim to believe these things when I realized how little investigation I had done into the nature of the things I claimed to believe.

http://www.edge.org/3rd_culture/everett07/everett07_index.html
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(Mark me down as a hardheaded agnostic with atheistic tendancies. ;))
 
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Theresa42 said:
Check the Pirah? people of the Amazon River basin (I like the Pirah? people!)
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I am partial to the Urubu Kaapor. I like their feather ornamentation.

Daniel Everett is a linguist, so it is not surprising he hadn't introspectively confronted his own religious beliefs. I can't speak to the syntactic peculiarities of the Pirah? language, but the Kaapor have developed a special sign language, and the link above leads to a page on their Religi?o.

As for religion, I guess I'll reserve judgment about God until I meet him (her? it? :confused: )
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This is a scientific forum. No scientific evidence for a God.
Show me the paper which claims for any evidence of a God.
These are ancient theories, not tested with nowadays knowledge.

F1, how can you appreciate multiple religions ? Their theories are contradictory.

tygerkittn, list all prophecies not only those which came true and make
a statistical analysis. If it were relevant, there were papers about it.
It was tried, but rejected : http://cs.anu.edu.au/~bdm/dilugim/torah.html
That's no evidence against God, of course. Just a call to be more exact
when measuring predictions.
 
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Laidback Al said:
I am partial to the Urubu Kaapor. I like their feather ornamentation.

Daniel Everett is a linguist, so it is not surprising he hadn't introspectively confronted his own religious beliefs. I can't speak to the syntactic peculiarities of the Pirahã language, but the Kaapor have developed a special sign language, and the link above leads to a page on their Religião.
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Cool! I like the lip piece. I wonder how one wears it? Does it just hook on?

Everett, btw, was apparently an "evangelical Christian missionary to the Pirahãs in the Brazilian Amazon for more than 20 years" [from the Edge article] -- so one would have thought he'd have thunk about his own faith at some point. Guess not (until after meeting the Pirahã, that is -- sounds like some reverse evangelicalism happened ;))!
 
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tygerkittn said:
If you believe that the Bible is the Word of God, as I do, especially since it has survived centuries of people trying to eradicate it, and has had over 600 unlikely prophecies come true, including the reunification of Israel, and if you believe that God would want us to have a way to know Him (otherwise why create us?) then it is the historically oldest, most proven, most died for, likeliest way God would have communicated with us , then the only way to get to heaven is to accept Jesus as your Savior and as the Son of God. Otherwise there won't be any tranquility or peace, only an eternity of "why didn't I make time to read it and pray and let God into my life?"
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Thank you! I couldn't have said it better. :applause:I believe every person has worth, because God said so. I respect everyone's God given right to choose what and whom to believe. If I didn't respect others beliefs, I would be participating in a strictly Christian pandemic/disaster planning forum.

gsgs said:
This is a scientific forum. No scientific evidence for a God.
Show me the paper which claims for any evidence of a God.
These are ancient theories, not tested with nowadays knowledge.

F1, how can you appreciate multiple religions ? Their theories are contradictory.

tygerkittn, list all prophecies not only those which came true and make
a statistical analysis. If it were relevant, there were papers about it.
It was tried, but rejected : http://cs.anu.edu.au/~bdm/dilugim/torah.html
That's no evidence against God, of course. Just a call to be more exact
when measuring predictions.
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Maybe you can make sense out of theses probabilities.
http://www.reasons.org/resources/apologetics/prophecy.shtml

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Fulfilled Prophecy: Evidence for the Reliability of the Bible

by Hugh Ross, Ph.D.

Unique among all books ever written, the Bible accurately foretells specific events-in detail-many years, sometimes centuries, before they occur. Approximately 2500 prophecies appear in the pages of the Bible, about 2000 of which already have been fulfilled to the letter—no errors. (The remaining 500 or so reach into the future and may be seen unfolding as days go by.) Since the probability for any one of these prophecies having been fulfilled by chance averages less than one in ten (figured very conservatively) and since the prophecies are for the most part independent of one another, the odds for all these prophecies having been fulfilled by chance without error is less than one in 10<sup>2000</sup> (that is 1 with 2000 zeros written after it)!
 
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Niko, this is no scientific work.
Get it reviewed by the statisticians and mathematicians and I bet,
it won't survive a serious analysis.
If it would, it would be in the math-papers and cause quite
some attention.
 
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gsgs said:
Niko, this is no scientific work.
Get it reviewed by the statisticians and mathematicians and I bet,
it won't survive a serious analysis.
If it would, it would be in the math-papers and cause quite
some attention.
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I suppose that depends upon your idea of "scientific work". No, the founder is not a mathematician nor statistician, but he is a credentialed scientist and scholar. http://www.reasons.org/about/biographies.shtml

We've strayed from the thread topic (sorry F1). Another thread perhaps?
 
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gsgs said:
This is a scientific forum. No scientific evidence for a God.
Show me the paper which claims for any evidence of a God.
These are ancient theories, not tested with nowadays knowledge.
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I did not realize that scientific evidence was required to prove the truth of a statement. Try the following essay question:

"A husband and wife are seated at the breakfast table. The man says to the woman, 'What are you thinking about?'. The woman replies, 'I was thinking about how good the oatmeal tastes.'"

1) Is the woman speaking the truth?
2) What scientific experiment can you propose that will prove the validity of your answer?

All scientific reasoning...and your statement that God does not exist...are based on thought...which can neither be proven nor tested.

Here are two propositions that you personally can put to the test:

1) God exists, and he is the rewarder of those who diligently seek him.
2) If you seek God, you will find him, if you seek him with all of your heart.

I am a former atheist who, after a ten year spiritual journey, found the truth of the one God who reveals himself in three persons. I can attest to the truth of the two above propositions by experience...and you too will find them to be true if you put them to the test.
 
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Niko, it's a statistical claim, so you should ask a statistics
expert not an expert in some other science.

JohnW: 2) observe many wifes, observe whether they are consistent or
or say it won't tast well at other occasions. Observe whether
they themselves eat it.

2) ask those who found him to show it, photograph or such.
 
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If I may...
We have observed that statements that reflects one's faith are natural expressions of one's being and existence. This thread "Faith-based institutions" is to support how that faith is placed into action for the mitigation of mortality and morbidity. We also have threads that address the emotional and spiritual aspects of grieving and threads on psychological considerations on disasters.

We have also observed that dialogue on different assertions of belief are not fruitful.
 
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