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US FDA Waives Informed Consent Rule For Public Emergencies

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US FDA Waives Informed Consent Rule For Public Emergencies

WASHINGTON (AP)--In a public health emergency, suspected victims would no longer have to give permission before experimental tests could be run to determine why they're sick, under a federal rule published Wednesday. Privacy experts called the exception unnecessary, ripe for abuse and an override of state informed-consent laws.

Health care workers will be free to run experimental tests on blood and other samples taken from people who have fallen sick as a result of a bioterrorist attack, bird flu outbreak, detonation of a dirty bomb or any other life- threatening public health emergency, according to the rule issued by the Food and Drug Administration.

In all other cases, the use of an experimental test still requires the informed consent of a patient, as well as the review and approval of an outside panel.

"To be candid, I hope it is a hypothetical problem. I hope we spent a lot of time creating a rule we never have to invoke," said Dr. Steve Gutman, director of the FDA's in-vitro diagnostics office.

Determining what constitutes a life-threatening public health emergency would be left up to the laboratories doing the testing. That creates the potential for conflicts of interest and other abuses, critics said.

"I don't like a rule like this because its most likely use is likely to be a form of abuse. The emergency exception it creates will be stretched to encompass non-emergency situations," said Jim Harper, director of information policy studies at the Cato Institute.

The FDA said it published the rule to ensure the ability to identify quickly whatever chemical, biological, radiological or nuclear agent is involved in a terrorist attack or natural outbreak of disease. Doing so could save the lives of those being tested as well as of others exposed, the FDA said.

"Baloney," said Dr. Deborah Peel, chairwoman of the Patient Privacy Rights Foundation, a watchdog group. "This sounds like they're taking for themselves the right to test individuals every time they declare a public health emergency. There is no way getting consent would delay testing."

The FDA said that obtaining informed consent in those cases would be impracticable or unfeasible.

The rule lays out a scenario where a laboratory discovers what appears to be an unusual bug in a sample taken from a patient before a public health emergency was even suspected. With the apparent bug in the lab but the patient gone, going back for permission to use a confirmatory but experimental test - often the only type of test available - would introduce "unacceptable delays," the FDA said.

"They're basically overriding state informed-consent laws," said Sue Blevins, president of the Institute for Health Freedom. Blevins said her group advocates for informed consent but that in emergencies it could be sought after the fact.

"If they don't have the time to get it, at least inform them retroactively what's been done, so people can keep track of what information has been collected from them," Blevins said.

The rule took effect Wednesday but remains subject to public comment until Aug. 7. The FDA said it published the rule without first seeking comments because it would hinder the response to an outbreak of bird flu or other public health emergency.

"Nobody said two airplanes would fly into the World Trade Center, did they? We wouldn't have written the rule unless we thought it was a possibility," Gutman said.

The FDA said the lack of such an exemption impeded the public health response to the Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome, or SARS, epidemic of 2003.


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Re: US FDA Waives Informed Consent Rule For Public Emergencies

Sounds rather ominous. I hope this is my interpretation and not really meant to appear that way at all.

The rule took effect Wednesday but remains subject to public comment until Aug. 7. The FDA said it published the rule without first seeking comments because it would hinder the response to an outbreak of bird flu or other public health emergency.
 
Re: US FDA Waives Informed Consent Rule For Public Emergencies

In a public health emergency, suspected victims would no longer have to give permission before experimental tests could be run to determine why they're sick, under a federal rule published Wednesday. Privacy experts called the exception unnecessary, ripe for abuse and an override of state informed-consent laws.



Looks like anyone infected has just become a guniea pig.

This is not only scary, it is, no sorry was, criminal.

I am soooo glad I will not be going to the human test laboratory, I mean hospital, when this hits.

If I get infected and have a slim to no shot of making it, I would rather die with dignity than become a test subject for someone's science project.
 
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HCW will be reporting to our insurance carriers, it seems.:eek:

http://www.fda.gov/OHRMS/DOCKETS/98fr/E6-8790.htm[/url]

DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES

Food and Drug Administration

FDA expects that in accordance with routine clinical practice, the
investigator will provide the test results obtained using the
investigational in vitro diagnostic device to the subject's health care
provider and that the results will be used in the clinical management
of the human subject. It is possible that, in certain circumstances,
the test results will also be reported to the appropriate public health
authorities. This reporting will occur when appropriate and/or required
by State or Federal law. Under the regulation, at the time the result
of the test is reported (whether to the subject's health care provider
and/or to the appropriate public health officials), the investigator is
required to disclose the investigational status of the device used to
perform the diagnostic test.


[Federal Register: June 7, 2006 (Volume 71, Number 109)]
[Rules and Regulations]
[Page 32827-32834]
From the Federal Register Online via GPO Access [wais.access.gpo.gov]
[DOCID:fr07jn06-12]

DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES
Food and Drug Administration
21 CFR Part 50
RIN 0910-AC25
[Docket No. 2003N-0355]
 
Re: US FDA Waives Informed Consent Rule For Public Emergencies

In a public health emergency, suspected victims would no longer have to give permission before experimental tests could be run to determine why they're sick, under a federal rule published Wednesday.

Looks like anyone infected has just become a guniea pig.

This is not only scary, it is, no sorry was, criminal.

I am soooo glad I will not be going to the human test laboratory, I mean hospital, when this hits.

If I get infected and have a slim to no shot of making it, I would rather die with dignity than become a test subject for someone's science project.

I just read this and interpreted it to say that they don't have to have permission to test you to see what you have. Imagine the world is in the midst of pandemic with people reacting emotionally, rather than responding from a reasoning place... they're so upset they are fighting the docs and nurses every step of the way, refusing to be tested for H5N1... I think all this says is that the powers that be can test you without your consent, as in take a throat swab or draw some blood and check.

It might also mean that relatives can't make off with or cremate a body before tests are run. In a pandemic world this makes sense to me...
 
Re: US FDA Waives Informed Consent Rule For Public Emergencies

...I think all this says is that the powers that be can test you without your consent, as in take a throat swab or draw some blood and check.

It might also mean that relatives can't make off with or cremate a body before tests are run. In a pandemic world this makes sense to me...

Mellie has valid points. Just imagine if there had been thorough testing on all BF patients......we may know enough to develope effective treatment strategies.

They may need to know which strain you have to determine whether to give you tamiflu or one of the mantadines.

.
 
Re: US FDA Waives Informed Consent Rule For Public Emergencies

Just got off a USA based forum on survivalism and the thread was there too. It's not just about sensible measures in case of an epidemic, it's also about the current administration grabbing more power all the time. The people there are quite worried about the lenght the current measures against for instance terrorism are going. They view this as another way of grabbing hold over the citizens and they might be right about it.
There is talk about "chipping" immigrants (like dogs and cats get chipped now), NAIS for animals, bio-scan passports, DNA databases and these above measures in case of an epidemic are along those lines.
While testing and quarantining may seem the best option if things go global H2H, it might be an idea to look at the motives of some propositions that are on the table now. The involuntarily bloodtaking and sampletaking is a violation of human rights. It could be for the benefit of all but that would mean the authorities think they can contain a global pandemic. I think it's pretty clear from history that NO pandemic can be contained. Period! No vaccin is available as a virus mutates constantly. No treatment is garuanteed as a virus can build resistance to it.
So why pronounce measures that are in fact not benefitting the public health at all? Most people wil only too gladly give samples of tissue if they think it can help physicians to cure them and their loved ones. Why announce that force may and can be used? Getting people ready to accept measures which might be even more unpopular like quarantaining?
 
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Delta said:
t could be for the benefit of all but that would mean the authorities think they can contain a global pandemic.
A global pandemic is by definition not contained.


Delta said:
So why pronounce measures that are in fact not benefitting the public health at all? Most people wil only too gladly give samples of tissue if they think it can help physicians to cure them and their loved ones. Why announce that force may and can be used? Getting people ready to accept measures which might be even more unpopular like quarantaining?
Perhaps the intention to to test suspected bird flu carriers people arriving in the US, in order to stop or slow the movement of the virus in the US.
 
Re: US FDA Waives Informed Consent Rule For Public Emergencies

Delta said:
......... Getting people ready to accept measures which might be even more unpopular like quarantaining?

If there were a pandemic raging in my community - I trust quarantines would be very popular. No force necessary.

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Re: US FDA Waives Informed Consent Rule For Public Emergencies

AlaskaDenise said:
If there were a pandemic raging in my community - I trust quarantines would be very popular. No force necessary.
Unless ofcourse a person would be at work and find their family contained at home. Travellers or commuters unable to get back home and being separated from their families is a real possiblity. With most people working away from home this makes quarantine an unpopular measure.
Word about quarantined areas being fed and quenched by authorities (expecting them to hand out only basic rations) would make a quarantine unpopular. A former student of mine from Romania told me people in Bucharest received less than bare minimum and this in a time where the rest of the world is able to provide plenty. Once any epidemic becomes full blown I have no faith that authorities will be able to feed me and my family adequately. Let alone contain an area with desperate people in it.
That's why I have my doubts about measures that infringe human rights in advance.
 
Re: US FDA Waives Informed Consent Rule For Public Emergencies

Delta - I think everyone shares your concerns. However, if a pandemic occurs, this will be an emergency situation. Many decisions will be made for the safety of the public. Some of these decisions will not be popular. We will have to "make the best of it".

Some persons are recommending carrying a duffle bag with a change of clothes are a few other essentials, including a small bit of food, in case you are traveling and get caught in a quarantine.

We will all have to work with the authorities to help keep the social order. They will have enough problems on their hands without the regular "law abiding" populace becoming uncooperative.

We will all have to be patient, cooperative, and understanding.
 
Re: US FDA Waives Informed Consent Rule For Public Emergencies

Perhaps some of our colleagues in the health care and medical field can give us an idea of the possible plethora of testing that might be done to determine the well-being of an individual suspected and or diagnosed with this deadly virus? I don't want my imagination to began to run wild. After all, I just read that there is a test that gleens results in 4 hours for H5N1. What other tests would be necessary?

I'll wait for a reply.

K.M.K.
 
Re: US FDA Waives Informed Consent Rule For Public Emergencies

The rule took effect Wednesday but remains subject to public comment until Aug. 7. The FDA said it published the rule without first seeking comments because it would hinder the response to an outbreak of bird flu or other public health emergency.

WHERE CAN WE MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT?
 
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