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Tracking World Wide Virulence of Swine Flu

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We don't know what that percentage is. Last tracking I saw from official numbers indicated it was in the neighborhood of 0.5% worldwide, which is considerably higher than seasonal flu. But it is widely known and accepted that we don't know the true number of cases (where cases is different than infections). But it is likely we don't have a handle on all the deaths yet. Some deaths will likely be mis-attributed to some other cause, or the immediate cause of death (pneumonia) will be listed but not linked to an immediately prior flu infection.

Oh, I know absolutely, but I am referring to the news media, and many people I've heard over and over again 'only killed X number of people so far and the regular flu kills X number of people a year'.

I think they are neglecting that this almost definitely has a higher percentage of hospitalizations and/or deaths. I know we don't have actual numbers to base percentages from, but I would love to see some good estimates.
 
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I think they are neglecting that this almost definitely has a higher percentage of hospitalizations and/or deaths. I know we don't have actual numbers to base percentages from, but I would love to see some good estimates.

Wotan was correct in his reply, and the above statement is spot on as well.

Here's the overall problem as I see it. I used to run all sorts of numbers and threads about mortality rates, hospitalization rates etc... problem is that there are NO BASELINE numbers to work on, so someone is always shouting "Foul".

For instance, to establish a "greater Mortality rate than seasonal flu", you've got to have pretty close estimates to what the Seasonal infection / death rate actually is. The official numbers are a joke - more for pacifying the masses, marketing materials to prod the sheep along so they get annual vaccines. there is no basis in reality for the numbers - especially the 36,000 figure that is repeated in a zombielike fashion.

But even if you could establish a baseline for THAT number - then you have to have a baseline number for what we've got for Current infections. I've seen horrible squabbles break out just between members here at this board about it..... Do you go with Official numbers of Infected Cases? Are their 10 actual infections for every one reported? Are there 1000 actual infections for every official one? Or is it 100,000. I've seen all those arguments. And so on, and so on.....

Then you have to deal with the baseline of current deaths. We can already see from Appleblossom's work that official numbers aren't showing the real numbers. And we know the news media isn't getting everything - so how many actual deaths are there?

So you see the problem..... math requires fixed numbers, and in this case, because of untrustworthy sources, ALL the numbers are questionable. So it creates an impossible situation where nothing you use will be accepted.

So the bottom line is - we track what we can, we encourage the news media and officials as we can - and we hope more and more people find our website, begin to get an idea of what is going on, and prepare for what is obviously developing.
 
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Below is another example of Healthy People, No Pre-Existing Conditions, not in the traditional age range for Flu Mortality.... yet they are now dead.[/B][/COLOR]

The Following doesn't neccessarily fit the subject of this thread, other than the above quote comment, however I have a few comments.....

http://www.newjerseynewsroom.com/he...aims-second-jerseyan-a-somerset-county-boy-15
EXCERPTS.....

Swine flu claims second Jerseyan, a Somerset County boy, 15
WEDNESDAY, 17 JUNE 2009 16:22
State has 367 confirmed cases and 236 pending
BY TOM HESTER SR.
NEWJERSEYNEWSROOM.COM


.......identified only as a 15-year-old Somerset County boy who died at home on June 8 after developing symptoms that included fever, vomiting, coughing and congestion. The state health lab confirmed the boy had H1N1 (swine flu) influenza.

Officials declined to identify the boy or provide his hometown or school.

(This is my 1st comment on the above.... it is getting ridiculous how far officials are stretching HIPPA privacy. It is so obvious they are manipulating media and panic control - that it borders on stupidity. For one thing - people DESERVE TO KNOW if a strain of a disease that is KILLING people is circulating in their community. This is an abomination of misuse of power / authority.)


.......Because the boy died at home, an autopsy was required. The state Medical Examiner's office is looking for possible contributing factors, officials said.

(This is my 2nd comment.... Instead of looking for more make-believe-pre-existing-conditions excuses to blame, why don't they start focusing on finding out how the actual FLU is contributing to the deaths!!
 
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http://news.stv.tv/scotland/103146-swine-flu-did-kill-glasgow-mum/
June 17, 2009
Excerpt....

Jacqui Fleming, 38, of Glasgow, died in hospital in Paisley on Sunday, two weeks after giving birth.

Her baby son Jack died on Monday from complications but not from swine flu.

A statement from the Crown Office confirmed Ms Fleming died from swine flu.

It said: "The death of a 38-year-old woman, Jacqueline Fleming, at the Royal Alexandra Hospital, Paisley, on 14 June 2009 was reported to the Procurator Fiscal at Paisley.

"With the agreement of her family, we are able to confirm that the cause of death has been certified as multi-organ failure due to influenzal pneumonia (H1N1)."
 
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http://www.fox6now.com/news/witi-090617-swine-flu-teen-death,0,1839694.story
EXCERPT.....

WITI-TV, MILWAUKEE - Fourteen-year-old Tiara Mosely-Forrest died two weeks after being rushed to Children's Hospital of Wisconsin, unable to breathe. But her uncle, Vernon Mosely, tells FOX 6 News Tiara went from being a healthy high school sophomore to the latest H1N1 Swine Flu Virus fatality.

The 14-year-old had a complete physical, blood tests and immunizations in May. The doctor told her the she was in good health.
...................Tiara first started complaining of chest pain in late May. The pain got so bad her brothers had to rush her home from the movies May 31. By late evening June 1, she could not walk on her own.

She spent the last two weeks of her life on a ventilator in the intensive care unit, where doctors eventually confirmed she had the H1N1 Swine Flu Virus.

Her mother says Tiara died June 15 from influenza, pneumonia in the lungs, a staph infection and multiple organ failure.
 
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The staph infection, I would think, was developed in the hospital. It would be nice if they would state what type of pneumonia. The length of time tells me bacterial but some of the other symptoms sound like it could have been viral.
 
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from an article I posted in the Utah forum:

Nathan Dean, chief of pulmonary critical care at Intermountain Medical Center in Murray and LDS Hospital in Salt Lake City, also hypothesizes that younger patients are having an "overreaction" to the virus, triggering a "vigorous inflammation response" that can cause septic shock and adult respiratory distress syndrome, which lands them in the hospital.

http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_12607907
 
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Nathan Dean, chief of pulmonary critical care at Intermountain Medical Center in Murray and LDS Hospital in Salt Lake City, also hypothesizes that younger patients are having an "overreaction" to the virus, triggering a "vigorous inflammation response" that can cause septic shock and adult respiratory distress syndrome, which lands them in the hospital.

Can you say, "CYTOKINE STORM"?????
If this isn't a Cytokine Storm symptom I don't know what is.
 
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Can you say, "CYTOKINE STORM"?????
If this isn't a Cytokine Storm symptom I don't know what is.

Sounds like it to me. What's sad is that many of us in flublogia (and probably most of us are laymen) saw this a couple of months ago, or at least strongly suspected it, but everyone else is having to find out the hard way since there was no "official" warning of it. :(
 
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http://www.google.com/hostednews/canadianpress/article/ALeqM5i7tXz_Z0bUPQEDkFZBk3vhcK4TewEXCERPT....

Dr. Michael Gardam, head of infectious disease prevention and control for Ontario's public health agency, believes the constant refrain of "underlying conditions" bespeaks a sort of wishful thinking, an attempt to explain away the unusual age range of the people the new virus is sending to hospital or to the morgue.

"That's the story that I think people haven't really registered," says Gardam. "We're clinging to these 'Oh, they had underlying illness, therefore it's OK."'

"But ... I would argue that the 30-year-old with mild asthma - how big of an underlying illness is that compared to again the 80-year-old person with bad lung disease from smoking, who's got heart disease? That's the usual group that unfortunately gets really sick with flu, not this healthy adult group."

You'll find little argument that this virus, at this time, is causing more severe disease in people far younger than those normally hospitalized and killed by flu or its complications in a typical flu season.

"This is not a disease of older adults. There's no question," says Dr. Allison McGeer, an influenza expert with Toronto's Mount Sinai Hospital.

"For people under 50, this is a significantly more severe disease than seasonal flu. For people over 50, it's much better," she notes.
 
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http://www.cbc.ca/canada/manitoba/story/2009/06/17/mb-swine-flu-death-wilson.html
Family of Manitoba swine flu victim in shock and grieving
Wednesday, June 17, 2009
EXCERPT..............

The family of a Manitoba woman is grieving after health officials confirmed she died as a result of complications due to swine flu.

Wilson, who lived on the Opaskwayak Cree Nation, about 730 kilometres northwest of Winnipeg, went to hospital in The Pas on June 6. She was given Tylenol and sent back home, said Lehmann Ballantyne.

Wilson went back to the hospital the following day feeling even worse and was flown by air ambulance to Winnipeg, where doctors confirmed she had the H1N1 influenza A virus, said Lehmann Ballantyne.

Wilson also contracted pneumonia and was put on life support. As her kidneys failed and her condition got worse, Wilson's family met to decide whether to keep her hooked up to the machines...................
 
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http://www.wisn.com/health/19785017/detail.html

Certain Age Groups Hit Hard By H1N1
Some Healthy People React Violently To Virus

POSTED: 10:12 pm CDT June 17, 2009
UPDATED: 10:30 pm CDT June 17, 2009

MILWAUKEE -- H1N1 flu has an explosive effect in certain age groups, according to an infectious disease specialist who 12 News spoke to Wednesday at Children's Hospital of Wisconsin.

For those with mild cases, some need antiviral medication; most go home and get better.

"The flu itself we are seeing is milder," said Dr. Michael Chusid of Children's Hospital, "But there is a small group of individuals - mostly healthy people - who seem to react violently to it."

While the seasonal flu targets the very young and very old, this strain of flu has been striking a notably different age range.

"When we look the positive tests we get the vast majority of individuals who are five to 18 years of age," said Chusid.

Contrary to more typical outbreaks, the H1N1 flu has experts exploring why it is more difficult for the healthier victims with stronger immune systems to fight the virus.

"Their immune system is robust and when they get this relatively mild infection, at least mild for many people," Chusid said. "They over react and the inflammation and this inflammation over reacts and produces causes a tremendous pneumonia and this is what is making them so sick."

The concern is about what currently is happening with this flu strain and what could happen next.

"With the really big ones, there has been a small wave maybe like this -- six months to two years -- before the big tsunami of lots of infection," said Chusid.

He said it is also possible people who got flu strains back in the 1950s and 1960s have built up antibodies protecting them from this strain.

Copyright 2009 by WISN.com. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.
 
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http://www.sandiego6.com/news/local...s-Adela-Chevalier/54qJ1EXOF0yzw2unoKSxPA.cspxEXCERPT.......

San Diego County Swine Flu Victim Family Speaks Reported by: Antonio Castelan
Email: antonio.castelan@sandiego6.com
Last Update: 6/17 11:51 pm


.......Rivera says it all started on Saturday when Adela came down with a slight fever.

.........By Monday, Adela asked her mother to take her to the hospital. She went into the emergency room at Palomar Pomerado in Escondido.

Lopez told San Diego 6, "She was still alert and she was very sweaty."
In a mere eight hours, doctors told the family Adela had died from respiratory complications.

Lopez said, "A lot of things go through my mind. You know, it's unexpected. We thought she'd be okay."

I am a dad. I think that as more stories like the above come out, and more and more children die..... We're going to start seeing more attention to this thing in the media. And more reaction from the public. I say that not from a scientific stanpoint, mortality rates, CFR's, etc... But because i am a dad, because this is the sort of thing that rips my heart out, and scares the hell out of me. SURE - it's low percentage cases that die. But that sure as hell doesn't make me feel any better in my gut, every time my kid goes out to interact with other kids - and I KNOW there is flu in my area. It just makes me paranoid - absolutely on edge.
 
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TMV, #73


Bad situation indeed.

Stil, there are no critical masses of people demanding better policies and treatment answers from the health professionals, and from the policy makers - worldwide.

Without changes of the policies, all of us will be in the same mess.

As we see, even great illnessing clusters from a new pandemic flu, as in Manit./Canada, did not produce any TV news headline worldwide.

Sad and sorrow.
 
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http://news.brisbanetimes.com.au/br...swine-flu-dies-in-adelaide-20090619-cqnb.html

Man with swine flu dies in Adelaide
June 19, 2009

A West Australian man has become the first person with swine flu to die in Australia.

The 26-year-old man died in the Royal Adelaide Hospital (RAH) on Friday afternoon after being diagnosed with the virus on Thursday.

South Australian health authorities could not yet confirm whether the man died because of swine flu (??? see below), as he had been suffering from a number of other serious health conditions.

The man had been transferred from Alice Springs Hospital to the RAH intensive care unit on Monday.

SA Health Minister John Hill said the RAH would continue to investigate the cause of death.

"What we do know is that this man was seriously ill from a number of conditions and the reason he was sent to the Royal Adelaide was because of those conditions," he said.

"How the swine flu interacted with those conditions and what's the ultimate cause of death is something we can't really speculate about."

SA Health's chief medical officer Paddy Phillips said he did not, as of yet, have all the details surrounding the Aboriginal man's death.

"Although the patient was diagnosed as positive for swine flu yesterday, his other medical conditions had dramatically deteriorated by the time he got to Adelaide," Professor Phillips said.

"We will be letting the Commonwealth know exactly whether or not H1N1 was a major contributor or not."

Prof Phillips said WA health authorities and the commonwealth's chief medical adviser had been informed, and that the man's death would not yet be added to the list of casualties from swine flu.

"This is very recent and while we have a large amount of information (and obviously aren't sharing it), we clearly don't have all of the information - that will require further review."...............................................

It is understood the man came from a small Aboriginal community about 700km west of Alice Springs.

Prof Phillips would not detail the medical conditions the man was suffering from, except to say they had affected a number of his organ systems.
He said the man's family had been informed of his death.................
 
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June 18, 2009
Last Friday an 8-year-old boy from Oak Forest was being checked into a local hospital.

Just one day later, Saturday, he was dead from the H1N1 virus or swine flu, Cook County health officials announced Wednesday.

The boy had no underlying health conditions besides the virus, officials said, but the agency is awaiting results from an autopsy to be sure.

The death of the boy marks the eighth in the state, including two people last week who lived in Chicago.

County health officials declined to release further information on the boy, citing privacy concerns.

"This tragic death underscores the need for people to remain vigilant in preventing the spread of illness," said Stephen A. Martin Jr., chief operating officer of the Cook County Department of Public Health. "While we expect to see more confirmed cases and even more deaths from the virus, you can reduce your risk of becoming infected and prevent spreading it to others by covering your cough, cleaning your hands and containing your germs by staying home when ill."

They call it the three C's, and the agency is urging people to get into the habit of covering your mouth to cough, cleaning your hands and containing germs to avoid exposure to H1N1.

Health officials have confirmed 1,489 cases of swine flu in Chicago and suburban Cook County, and 94 cases in Will County.

Illinois has had nearly 2,000 confirmed swine flu cases in 22 counties.

A 26-year-old woman with no other known health problems died June 9 after being in a Chicago hospital for a week.

A 52-year-old man with other health problems was admitted to a hospital May 30. He died June 11.
http://www.southtownstar.com/news/1628598,061809swine.article
 
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Welcome JenniferSmiles. Thanks for contributing!
 
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San Diego County's first swine flu death reported
By Mike Lee, Union-Tribune Staff Writer, Susan Shroder, Union-Tribune Staff Writer
7:01 p.m. June 16, 2009


SAN DIEGO ? A 20-year-old woman is the first person to die of swine flu in San Diego County, local health officials reported Tuesday.

The victim had lived in the region, said Dr. Wilma Wooten, the county's public health officer.

She started having respiratory problems Sunday and went to the emergency room of a local hospital the next day, said Wooten, who wouldn't identify the medical center.

The patient died in the emergency room without being hospitalized. Infectious disease specialists confirmed that she was infected with swine flu, also called H1N1 influenza A, just before 5 p.m. Tuesday.

Wooten said the victim was apparently healthy before this illness and had not traveled outside the region.

?This situation is an extremely painful reminder that ... the virus still exists in our community,? Wooten said during a news conference.

She added that people exposed to the victim have been identified and are receiving courses of the antiviral drug Tamiflu.



http://www3.signonsandiego.com/stories/2009/jun/16/bn16flu2-first-sd-death/?metro
 
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Thanks.... and your welcome. I would like to do all I can to help. We are all in this thing together.... :)

MIAMI (AP) -- A 9-year-old boy who died in a Miami-Dade hospital last week had swine flu, officials said Tuesday.

Officials did not disclose the boy's name, school or hometown, but they said he lived in Miami-Dade County.

Dr. Fermin Leguen, chief physician for the county's health department, said the boy was brought to Baptist Hospital in Kendall on June 9 within 24 hours of showing flu-like symptoms. The boy died at the hospital the same day.

"This child had a history of asthma," said Leguen. "He had developed an acute respiratory illness."

After the boy died, health officials sent tissue samples to a Florida Department of Health Laboratory in Tampa. It took a week to confirm the boy had contracted the swine flu virus.

He died about four days after he was last in school, Leguen said, adding that health department officials were trying to contact school personnel.

Miami-Dade School Board officials wouldn't immediately comment on the case Tuesday.

State health officials say Florida currently has 417 confirmed cases of the swine flu virus, including 143 in Miami-Dade County.

"Our hearts and prayers go out to the family and friends of this child," said Florida Surgeon General Dr. Ana Viamonte Ros, in an e-mailed statement. "While most cases of H1N1 swine flu are mild, there are exceptions like this tragic case.

Also Tuesday, U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement officials said there are five confirmed cases of swine flu at the Krome detention center outside Miami, with 20 more detainees exhibiting flu-like symptoms. Two people from Jamaica and one each from Brazil, Peru and Mexico have confirmed cases, said ICE spokeswoman Nicole Navas.

On June 11, the World Health Organization raised the worldwide pandemic alert level to Phase 6 in response to the ongoing global spread of the virus. As of June 12, there were 17,855 cases and 45 deaths attributed to the swine flu in the United states.

Officials say that many of the people who have died in the U.S. from swine flu had other health problems -- and that the best precautions against catching the virus are to stay home if sick, cover coughs and sneezes, and wash hands frequently.

Meanwhile, Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius told The Associated Press on Tuesday that schoolchildren could be first in line for swine flu vaccine this fall -- and schools are being put on notice that they might even be turned into shot clinics.

Sebelius said she is urging school superintendents around the country to spend the summer preparing for that possibility, if the government goes ahead with mass vaccinations.

"If you think about vaccinating kids, schools are the logical place," Sebelius told The Associated Press.

No decision has been made yet on whether and how to vaccinate millions of Americans against the new flu strain that's circulating the globe. But because younger people so far seem most susceptible to this new flu, Sebelius says school-age children could be among the first groups targeted for the shots. She gave the update in an interview with The AP on Tuesday.

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Associated Press writers Curt Anderson in Miami and Lauran Neergaard in Washington contributed to this story.
 
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PORT JERVIS NY- A 48-year-old Pike County woman, who had an underlying health condition, was brought to the hospital for treatment Friday and died Sunday.

Orange County spokesman Richard Mayfield said the woman was brought to the hospital for treatment. The Orange County Health Department received confirmation that the woman was admitted to the hospital with underlying medical conditions. The tests came back that it was conclusive that she had swine flu, he said.

The name of the woman has not been released. Federal privacy rules prevent disclosure of information without consent of the victim or immediate family.

Pennsylvania state health officials said as of late Monday, there are four confirmed and two probable cases of swine flu in Pike County. Wayne County has its first probable case. Monroe County has 71 cases today, including 34 confirmed and 37 probable.
http://www.pocononews.net/news/June09/16/16Jun09-5.html
 
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