Tracking World Wide Virulence of Swine Flu

[The Mountains Voice]

I've started noticing recent death stories that talk of "Organ Failure". This is a common variable to many 1918 death accounts. We now know a little more about the process scientifically about how these novel flu's kill. One aspect is the Cytokine Storm. Could this be a Cytokine Storm development in those patients that die of Organ Failure?

Everyone Please Post any related Organ Failure, Cyanosis, or Cytokine Storm Symptom cases here - so that we can begin to get an idea of what is happening in those cases that show the more serious symptoms normally associated with 1918.

Here's a recent one.....

http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_12411489
EXCERPTS.....

Marcos Antonio Sanchez headed to a hospital with flu-like symptoms last Friday. By Tuesday, the 21-year-old was suffering multiple organ failure. And on Wednesday, he died........

Sanchez tested positive for the new flu..............

But the seasonal flu usually hospitalizes and kills those under 5 and over 65. Sanchez's youth is notable -- and the new flu appears to be disproportionately affecting younger people in Utah.................

Of Utah's 122 confirmed swine flu cases, 86 percent are between the ages of 5 and 49............

................Sanchez went to West Valley City's Pioneer Valley Medical Center emergency room with flu-like symptoms on Friday, though he wasn't admitted for inpatient treatment until Saturday, according to a hospital spokeswoman.

................by the time her son was admitted, she believes he was vomiting blood and had a fever.
........................On Tuesday, Sanchez was air-lifted to the University of Utah Hospital's intensive care unit because of multiple organ failure, said Tom Miller, the U. hospitals' chief medical director. Sanchez wasn't breathing on his own. "His lungs shut down," Miller said.

Sanchez died at the hospital on Wednesday.

 

[The Mountains Voice]

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Everyone Please Post any related Organ Failure, Cyanosis, or Cytokine Storm Symptom cases here - so that we can begin to get an idea of what is happening in those cases that show the more serious symptoms normally associated with 1918.

Here's one going as far back as May 8, 2009.... comments about Mexican deaths from the WHO.

http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/cidrap/content/influenza/panflu/news/may0809breaknews.html
EXCERPT......

WHO experts held a conference call yesterday with Mexican officials to discuss clinical findings in the patients who died from severe swine flu infections, Sylvie Briand, acting director of the WHO's Global Influenza Program, said today at a media briefing. Mexican health officials have identified two high-risk groups: previously healthy young people who deteriorated rapidly with acute pneumonia and people with chronic health conditions such as cardiovascular disease or tuberculosis. Briand said viral pneumonia has played a role in the deaths, but bacterial pneumonia has been less of a factor, unlike in other pandemics. Authorities have found that causes of death are typically respiratory failure or organ failure.

 

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Below is a recent case.

http://www.freep.com/article/20090613/NEWS03/906130331
EXCERPTS.....

Sure, Settlemoir had a history of asthma and hypertension, but the 28-year-old was otherwise healthy. Friday, he died unexpectedly.

Now, health officials say, he may be the state's latest casualty from the H1N1, so-called swine flu, outbreak.

Ryan Settlemoir.........was hospitalized June 1 .......airlifted to the U-M Medical Center on June 2......

According to officials from U-M, the general cause of death was lung failure, acute respiratory distress syndrome and multiple-organ failure.

 

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Here are some stats from May 22, 2009 - made by WHO......

http://hygimia69.blogspot.com/2009/05/human-infection-with-new-influenza-h1n1.html
Excerpt......

Among 45 fatal cases in Mexico, 54% were among previously healthy people, most of whom were aged 20–59 years.......

Case fatality ratios were lower in children and teenagers than in adults, for reasons to be determined. Rapidly progressive respiratory disease has accounted for most severe or fatal cases. In Mexico, the median time from onset of illness to hospitalization was 6 days (range, 1–20 days) in 45 fatal cases, compared with a median of 4 days in hospitalized cases in the United States.

In fatal cases, the presenting manifestations have included fever, shortness of breath, myalgia, severe malaise, tachycardia, tachypnoea, low oxygen saturation and, sometimes, hypotension and cyanosis. Several patients experienced cardiopulmonary arrest shortly after arrival at hospital........

In Mexico, the clinical course has been notable for severe pneumonia, multifocal infiltrates including nodular alveolar and, less frequently, basilar opacities on chest radiographs, as well as rapid progression to acute respiratory distress syndrome (ARDS) and renal or multi-organ failure (24% of fatal cases). The median time from symptom onset to death was 10 days (range, 2–33 days).

 

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Here are some stats from May 22, 2009 - made by WHO......

Below we have a comment from the -
"World Health Organization Representative Office in Viet Nam 2009"
http://www.wpro.who.int/vietnam/sites/dcc/h1n1/media_centre/media_centre_faq.htm

Can H1N1 be fatal?
H1N1 has not caused a high number of fatalities, as most sufferers have recovered. However, deaths have been reported in two groups of people – people with underlying medical conditions and also, unusually, young previously healthy adults between the ages of 25 and 44. The major cause of death from H1N1 has been respiratory failure and major organ failure, following severe respiratory distress.

 

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Interesting comment at CDC website.....

http://www.cdc.gov/h1n1flu/childrentreatment.htm
Infants and Children and the Novel H1N1 Virus
Symptoms of severe disease may include:

Apnea
Tachypnea
Dyspnea
Cyanosis
Dehydration
Altered mental status
Extreme irritability

Comment: they must have had evidence of Cyanosis to put it in the very short list of symptoms they listed. I am not a physician, and welcome clarification, but I don't believe Cyanosis is a "standardly listed" symptom of seasonal flu.

 

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http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/21/health/21diagnosis.html?ref=health

A 16-month-old boy is brought to Elmhurst Hospital Center?s emergency room blue and motionless, and is pronounced dead 40 minutes later.....

In the case of the boy who died, Jonathan Zamora Castillo of Corona, Queens, it was crucial to establish the cause of death. His rapid decline ? from a generally healthy child in the morning to cyanosis and death by evening ? matched reports from the 1918 Spanish Flu epidemic of patients who drowned in their own lung secretions.

 

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Here are 2 comments on the same person....

[The Milwaukee County Medical Examiner said 48-year-old Barbara Davis died Thursday in the ICU after being diagnosed with the flu strain.

The health department said, unlike Milwaukee's first swine flu victim, Davis did not have any ?underlying medical conditions? that would have put her at a greater risk for the disease.

MILWAUKEE - Barbara Davis, 48, was healthy just a week ago. She had dinner with her mother Josephine last Friday night. But just hours after that dinner, Josephine got a phone call.

?My friend, he called me and told me Barbara was real sick.....

Barbara told her mother that she was ok. But the next day, things got worse. She had trouble breathing, and she was shaking. She could barely walk into the hospital.

?She tried to talk to people, but she just couldn?t talk,? Josephine Davis said.

Doctors treated her for two days, but they couldn?t save her.

?They?ve never seen nothing like that, what she had. That infection just went through her body, attacking her kidney, her lungs, her liver. Everything,? said Josephine Davis.

The city?s Health Department is stressing that if you are mildly ill with flu symptoms, you should call your doctor. If your symptoms are serious or if you have mild symptoms that are getting worse, you should see a doctor right away.

Makes you want to move there! Sounds like a fine and honest Health Department!!

 

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Evidence of Cyanosis and Organ Failure goes all the way back to the "1st case in Mexico"

http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1894926,00.html
Excerpts....

Swine Flu's First Fatality: A Chronicle of Deaths Foretold
By Dolly Mascare?as / Oaxaca Thursday, Apr. 30, 2009

Her name was Adela Maria Gutierrez and she was 39 when she died, the first known fatality from the virus that swept through Mexico and into the rest of the world.

On April 2, Adela, who had diabetes, said she felt tired, cold, feverish. She suffered from diarrhea.........so we went to a private doctor [on April 5]. She treated [Adela], and we paid her and bought the medicines." The physician said Adela had a throat infection and prescribed amoxicillin and Amboxal. But Adela did not get better. On April 7, she went back to the doctor by herself. She had coughed up blood that day and had a 40-degrees Celsius fever (104 degrees Fahrenheit). Her husband says the doctor recommended another medicine. "It did not work," Jose Luis says. Adela's cough became worse, she was suffering from respiratory distress and her hands and feet were showing signs of cyanosis ? that is, they were turning blue. On April 8, they returned to the doctor a third time. It was then, Jose Luis says, "the doctor told us to take her to the Civil Hospital." On the 9th at 12:45 p.m., Adela was admitted to the hospital by way of the emergency room. She was diagnosed with pneumonia.

Adela had already been ill for eight days, but the next five days saw a further and rapid decline in her health. On the second day of hospitalization, she began to suffer from hypoxic encephalopathy ? her brain was not receiving enough oxygen ? and she was put on a ventilator. The next day, X-rays showed that both sides of her lungs were damaged. She continued to go downhill until the afternoon of April 13, when she died after suffering cardiac arrest.

Then the hospital had a request..........they told me they needed some samples to be sent to Mexico because her disease had been so different........The results of the biopsies of Adela's lungs and liver would help send Mexico and the world into a panic: she had the H1N1 swine flu virus and was the first known fatality.

 

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.....a common variable to many 1918 death accounts.

John M. Barry wrote in his NYT bestselling book The Great Influenza
[Excerpt: pp. 242-243]

"It was the lungs that had attracted attention from pathologists first. Physicians and pathologists had many times seen lungs of those dead of pneumonia. Many of the deaths from influenzal pneumonia did look like these normal pneumonias. And the later in the epidemic a victim died, the higher was the percentage of autopsy findings that resembled normal pneumonia, bacterial pneumonia.

TURNING DARK BLUE, THEN DYING
Those who died very quickly, a day or less after the first symptoms, however, most likely died of an overwhelming and massive invasion of the virus itself. [These were the patients who exhibited marked cyanosis, i.e. "turned blue] The virus destroyed enough cells in the lung to block the exchange of oxygen. This alone was unusual and puzzling. But the lungs of the men and women who died two days, three days, four days after the first symptom of influenza bore no resemblance to normal pneumonias at all. They were more unusual, more puzzling."

Starting to see any similarities?

 

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.....a common variable to many 1918 death accounts.

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/FWWinfluenzia.htm
Excerpt......

In the spring of 1918 large numbers of soldiers in the trenches in France became ill. The soldiers complained of a sore throat, headaches and a loss of appetite. Although it appeared to be highly infectious, recovery was rapid and doctors gave it the name of 'three-day fever'. At first doctors were unable to identify the illness but eventually they decided it was a new strain of influenza. ........

For the next few months soldiers continued to be infected with the virus but there were very few fatalities. However, in the summer of 1918, symptoms became much more severe. About a fifth of the victims developed bronchial pneumonia or septicemic blood poisoning. A large percentage of these men died. Others developed heliotrope cyanosis. Doctors were able to identify this by the bluish condition of the sufferer. Over 95% of those with heliotrope cyanosis died within a few days. This second-wave of the epidemic spread quickly. In one sector of the Western Front over 70,000 American troops were hospitalised and nearly one third of these men died failed to recover.

The Similarities are not imagined. The evidence has been there from the beginning.

 

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The Similarities are not imagined. The evidence has been there from the beginning.

It's late - I'm going to bed. I hope everyone will post more evidentiary stories as they come along. I searched for hours just to find the above. There is SO LITTLE detail being offered by officials. But I am betting that if we magically had every report, from every official death - we'd be seeing a lot more of the terms "Massive Organ Failure" & "Cyanosis".

They've known this stuff from the beginning. God help those that have swept this under the rug. And God help those poor fools that have looked to them for guidance.

 

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We've compared similarities to 1918. It shold be noted that there are similarities to H5N1 also, which shares the fact that it too is a novel assortment, the general human population never having been exposed before. Below is a similar, and related, comment on Bird Flu....


http://crofsblogs.typepad.com/h5n1/2007/04/indonesia_autop.html
April 02, 2007
Indonesia: Autopsies suggested in bird flu fight

Via the Jakarta Post, a report by Emmy Fitri, whose stories I increasingly respect: Autopsies suggested in bird flu fight. Excerpt:

The national commission on bird flu has suggested the government conduct autopsies on all bird flu victims to better understand how the disease moves through the human body.

A panel of experts appointed by the commission said Friday that while the virus was primarily transmitted from birds to humans through the respiratory system, it spread through other organs, potentially resulting in fatal multiple organ failure.

Indonesia has the world's highest number of human deaths from the H5N1 bird flu virus. As of last week, 71 people died in Indonesia of the disease. Seven deaths were reported in March alone.

"There is no specific data on which of the (victims) died of multiple organ failure. Nor is there detail on whether it's a trend in the most recent cases. But experts are saying most of the 71 cases (resulted in multiple organ failure)," chairman of the National Commission for Avian Influenza and Pandemic Preparedness, Bayu Krisnamurthi said.

Speaking after Friday's closed-door meeting with the expert panel, Bayu said postmortem examinations performed on infected chickens showed the H5N1 virus had ravaged all of the animals' organs as severely as it had the lungs.

"In human cases, we haven't come so far (that we know) whether or not the virus is also spreading to other organs. Such a conclusion can only be reached through autopsies. It's really still a mystery," he said.

The very last statement above raises an interesting point..... at some point we need autopsies to determine just how the current H1N1 is affecting all internal organ functions. If we are having autopsies... I haven't noticed published accounts of the results.

 

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This ten year died in Jalisco Mexico

Source: http://www.milenio.com/node/231394
Google translation:

Francisco, a victim of the 3 A-H1N1

The Civil Hospital insisted that was given to the patient with antiviral drugs at the outset.

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Sun, 14/06/2009 - 06:45

Jalisco yesterday the third death caused by influenza type A-H1N1: the child's Francisco Javier Moreno S?nchez, who was from the internal last April 19 at the Hospital Civil de Guadalajara Juan I. Menchaca was one of the first cases of Jalisco, despite her diagnosis took weeks.

Just on Friday (Public, June 13), the Department of Health Jalisco (SSJ) had made a public statement to deny a child of ten years has been the victim of medical malpractice. With that, the agency tried to defend his conduct after accepting that the child's family soon learned that Francis, in fact, suffered by influenza A-H1N1, the virus mutant that led to a pandemic and that a health alert remains in several areas of Mexico, including Jalisco. As the child was one of the first cases, the Institute of Epidemiological Diagnosis and Reference (Indre), the federal government was slow to issue a confirmatory diagnosis.

Francisco died yesterday at 15:40 hours Saturday after spending a month and 24 days in hospital, according to the Civil Hospital yesterday in a statement, "for serious complications and sequelae introduced as a result of a severe pneumonia, a source of income Hospital registered last April 19. " He explained that the little one suffered multiple organ failures, as a consequence of a serious complication caused by their lung function fibrosis that was created, in turn, by pneumonia.

In the communiqu? issued yesterday, the Civil Hospital with details describing the evolution of the child. Said that he was the April 19, but his medical history that had presented symptoms of respiratory problems since April 11. On admission, he was diagnosed with pneumonia, in principle operated as of bacterial origin.

The April 23 national alert was issued by the influenza A-H1N1 and Francisco came to be considered a probable case. Was reported to the Committee on Epidemiology of Civil, he took samples to test for immunofluorescence influenza type A and, as the results came in, he tried anyway, with the antiviral oseltamivir (Tamiflu), despite that this review was negative. Fifteen days later, in May, and completed the treatment with Tamiflu, came the diagnosis of Indre: positive.

On Friday 12, when the SSJ reported on the plight of Francisco, the secretary and the director of Public Health explained that the child suffered from a bacterial infection, and noted that "from the beginning" he had been treated as a probable case...

 

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7http://www.fox13now.com/news/seenontv/kstu-utah-third-deaths-family-statement,0,4652489.story:40 PM MDT, June 14, 2009
Excerpt.....

Francine and her mother became ill with the flu two weeks ago today. Her mother tested positive and was treated for the flu and has since recovered. Francine tested negative and was sent home. Her health continued to decline, and three days later she was taken to Jordan Valley Hospital. For the second time she tested negative, was sent home, and told to increase fluids and rest.

We begged the doctors to treat her with Tama flu because it had helped her mother, but they refused because her test had come back negative. After another three days she became incapacitated, and was again taken to Jordan Valley where she was admitted and found to have pneumonia, plus all of the symptoms associated with the flu, but once again tested negative. At this point she had had the flu for approximately eight days, untreated. Her condition continued to decline, and on Tuesday was transferred to IMC Hospital. By this time her body was so ravaged from the virus that her kidneys and lungs started to fail and brain activity had diminished. On Wednesday, June 10 we received a positive Type-A flu test, and on Thursday we received, from the CDC, a positive test for H1N1, Swine Flu.

After fighting a valiant battle she succumbed to this illness. It has been reported that she had underlying illnesses that contributed to her death, but according to her doctors she died from lung damage, kidney failure, and brain damage which were all strong and healthy prior to contracting the virus.

WE NEED PHYSICIAN GUIDANCE ON A GLOBAL SCALE REGARDING TAMIFLU ASSIGNMENT. TOO MUCH INDEPENDENT THOUGHT FROM PEOPLE WITHOUT CLEAR GUIDANCE, AND TOO LITTLE FACTS. WHO & CDC NEED TO STEP UP TO THE PLATE AND MAKE STRONG, CLEAR GUIDANCE.

 

[The Mountains Voice]

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One aspect is the Cytokine Storm. Could this be a Cytokine Storm development in those patients that die of Organ Failure?

Swine Flu Cytokine Storm Cures
Turmeric, Fish Oil and Aspirin Provide Anti-Inflammatory Protection? Art Ayers - http://diseases-viruses.suite101.com/article.cfm/swine_flu_cytokine_storm_cures

Apr 28, 2009
Deaths from the Mexican influenza epidemic have the cytokine storm pattern of young, healthy adults. Inflammatory cytokines can be blocked by anti-inflammatory foods.

The swine flu epidemic centered in Mexico City appears to be a modern replay of the Spanish influenza epidemic of 1918-19. Infants and elderly were spared. It was the young adults with robust immune systems that were the prime victims and the disease took them literally by storm.

Cytokine Storm -- Immune System out of Control
The Spanish flu killed by producing a virulent immune response with production of large amounts of the immune system hormones, the inflammatory cytokines IL-1, IL-6 and TNF. These are the cytokines associated with the symptoms of infection, fever, fluid retention/swelling, malaise, headache, etc. These are the inflammatory symptoms that normally transition into recovery, but in the case of swine flu, additional cytokines are produced, including anti-inflammatory IL-10. The problem appears to be that the sudden IL-10 signaling disrupts the natural transition from inflammation to recovery and the inflammatory signaling becomes acute and life-threatening.

Acute Inflammation Kills by Fluid in Lungs
The swine flu epidemics in Spain and once again in Mexico kill by immunological inflammation that causes fluid to accumulate in lungs, i.e. acute respiratory distress syndrome (ARDS) triggered by a cytokine storm.

This type of organ failure is similar to the consequences of systemic infection, septicemia. These severe infections initiate an acute inflammatory response that may be very dangerous, but in many ways their similarity to swine flu symptoms may be fortuitous. Treatment for cytokine mediated multiple organ failure may provide some possible approaches to the treatment of swine flu, which avoid evolution of H1N1 caused by antiviral drugs such as Tamiflu.

Anti-inflammatory Treatment for Swine Flu
Cytokine storms associated with sepsis and ARDS have been treated by forcing progression of the inflammatory process into its recovery phase. Some of the most effective approaches use recognizable anti-inflammatory compounds: aspirin, omega-3 fatty acids (fish oil) and curcumin (turmeric).

Aspirin may block cytokine storms by altering COX-2 to produce anti-inflammatory eicosanoids and lipoxins. Aspirin also blocks the major inflammatory transcription factor, NFkB. Of course, the administration of aspirin to children with viral diseases, is counter-indicated, because of the risk of Reye syndrome. The omega-3 fatty acid EPA is converted by COX-2 into an anti-inflammatory prostaglandin. Curcumin is one of the most potent inhibitors of NFkB. This trio of anti-inflammatory natural compounds may ultimately be major players in blocking the killing capacity of swine flu.

 

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Slightly related?

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNew...610?hub=Health
Excerpt......

There are mounting and troubling signs that H1N1 flu and pregnancy don't mix well........................ Humankind's relationship with the new H1N1 virus is still in its infancy. But people who've studied the issue of pregnancy during flu pandemics don't like the signs they are seeing.

Dr. Denise Jamieson, an obstetrician-gynecologist with the U.S. Centers for Disease Control's division of reproductive health, says she finds the evidence to date "very unsettling.".....

....Data released by the CDC last month said at that point, 17 per cent of Americans hospitalized for severe H1N1 flu infections were pregnant women.

A report a couple of weeks back in the World Health Organization's journal, Weekly Epidemiologic Record, noted of 30 H1N1 flu patients hospitalized in California, five were pregnant women. Of those, two developed severe complications -- spontaneous abortion and premature rupture of membranes..........

.......Studies done after the disastrous 1918 Spanish flu -- which took its heaviest toll on young adults -- showed astonishing death rates among pregnant women, said Dr. Michael Osterholm, an infectious diseases expert at the University of Minnesota.

Skowronski's review paper suggests there were also very high rates of spontaneous abortions during that pandemic -- 26 per cent in pregnant women who became infected and 52 per cent among those who went on to develop pneumonia from their infection.

"Premature rupture of membranes" sounds like it could POSSIBLY be Cytokine Storm related - a sudden hemoragic like inflammation resulting in rupture???

 

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"Premature rupture of membranes" sounds like it could POSSIBLY be Cytokine Storm related - a sudden hemoragic like inflammation resulting in rupture???

PROM is not that uncommon & its causes are not fully understood but a maternal infection is usually listed as a common predisposer. However, I haven't seen any report of cytokine storm as being implicated. ANY significant maternal infection appears able to possibly trigger prom.

I personally think the issue for pregnant women is the alteration of the immune system which needs to be dampened so that it does not react against the fetus. I think that dampening leaves the woman more vulnerable to infection.

 

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PROM is not that uncommon & its causes are not fully understood but a maternal infection is usually listed as a common predisposer. However, I haven't seen any report of cytokine storm as being implicated. ANY significant maternal infection appears able to possibly trigger prom.

I personally think the issue for pregnant women is the alteration of the immune system which needs to be dampened so that it does not react against the fetus. I think that dampening leaves the woman more vulnerable to infection.

I think your comments have great merit - and are the Probable Answer. But until they start considering, and looking at all the possibilities... we won't know for sure. They need to start doing autopsies, examining birth material, thinking outside the box. It's been 90 years since the 1918 pandemic - and we still don't know much more. Everyting should be on the table for consideration.

 

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:tiphat: FrenchieGirl
http://www.flutrackers.com/forum/showthread.php?p=230578

It was first recorded fatality from the human influenza in Costa Rica.......

......."Unfortunately the gentleman died today 53 years with a shock refractáreo box, that means multiple organ system fails and blood pressure dropped," in an irreversible manner, explained the minister, compared to the case which became the first death product of the disease in Central America.