• FluTrackers.com Inc. does not provide medical advice. Information on this web site is collected from various internet resources, and the FluTrackers board of directors makes no warranty to the safety, efficacy, correctness or completeness of the information posted on this site by any author or poster. The information collated here is for instructional and/or discussion purposes only and is NOT intended to diagnose or treat any disease, illness, or other medical condition. Every individual reader or poster should seek advice from their personal physician/healthcare practitioner before considering or using any interventions that are discussed on this website. By continuing to access this website you agree to consult your personal physican before using any interventions posted on this website, and you agree to hold harmless FluTrackers.com Inc., the board of directors, the members, and all authors and posters for any effects from use of any medication, supplement, vitamin or other substance, device, intervention, etc. mentioned in posts on this website, or other internet venues referenced in posts on this website.
  • We are not asking for any donations. Do not donate to any entity who says they are raising funds for us.

the evolution of an adeno-associated virus (AAV)

turkali

New member
According to several recent news articles based on a paper published in Nature Biotechnology,1 scientists have supposedly forced the evolution of an adeno-associated virus (AAV) commonly used in gene therapy.

In gene therapy, AAV can be used to deliver beneficial genes to human cells. The problem with using AAV, though, is that most people have been exposed to the virus at some point in their lives. When AAV is injected for gene-therapy purposes in these people, their immune system attacks and destroys the virus before it has a chance to deliver its therapeutic genes to their cells.

Using ?directed evolution,? scientists mutated the viral DNA and selected for those mutants that were able to survive successively higher titers of antibodies against AAV. By repeating this process several times, they found mutant virus strains that withstood large doses of AAV antibodies. These mutant AAV strains therefore could be more beneficial for gene therapy.
How was this done?

The original viral DNA was copied using an error-prone technique that intentionally increased the number of mutations in the DNA. The viruses then produced their ?capsids? (a protein structure that surrounds the DNA) and assembled themselves. Viral DNA encodes very few genes, but one or more of these genes codes for the capsid protein(s). The capsid is the target of the immune system. The scientists observed that the mutant virus strains with changes in only 7 amino acids (2 in particular) of the capsid protein were able to evade AAV antibodies.

This discovery actually sounds very familiar to the development of antibiotic resistance in bacteria. Bacteria have variations in proteins commonly targeted by antibiotics. Typically, these variations have arisen by mutation and are only beneficial to the bacteria in the presence of the antibiotic. If the variations do not allow the antibiotic to bind, the bacteria can survive in the presence of the antibiotic. Similarly, some variations in the protein composition of the viral capsid make it better able to avoid antibodies and not be destroyed.


The word ?evolution? is most likely being used by reporters to support the scientists? (and generally liberal media?s) worldview that is based on their presupposition of evolution/millions of years as fact, rather than as a descriptive term for what was actually observed with the viruses.


Many people have personal experience with the ability of viruses to mutate and evade the immune system. It?s the reason a flu shot is needed every year. Viruses commonly make mistakes when replicating their genetic material, and some of these errors give them the advantage of avoiding the immune system and subsequently causing disease. Scientists simply took this knowledge and artificially sped up the process by causing more mutations to occur, and selected for those viruses that evaded the immune system the best.

DO YOU THİNK İS İT A GOOD EXPERİMENT????????
 
Re: Why flu?

Re: Why flu?

DO YOU THİNK İS İT A GOOD EXPERİMENT????????

NO
___
<link rel="File-List" href="file:///C:%5CDOCUME%7E1%5CADMINI%7E1.DIG%5CLOCALS%7E1%5CTemp%5Cmsohtml1%5C01%5Cclip_filelist.xml"><link rel="Edit-Time-Data" href="file:///C:%5CDOCUME%7E1%5CADMINI%7E1.DIG%5CLOCALS%7E1%5CTemp%5Cmsohtml1%5C01%5Cclip_editdata.mso"><!--[if !mso]> <style> v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} o\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} .shape {behavior:url(#default#VML);} </style> <![endif]--><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml> <w:WordDocument> <w:View>Normal</w:View> <w:Zoom>0</w:Zoom> <w:HyphenationZone>21</w:HyphenationZone> <w:PunctuationKerning/> <w:ValidateAgainstSchemas/> <w:SaveIfXMLInvalid>false</w:SaveIfXMLInvalid> <w:IgnoreMixedContent>false</w:IgnoreMixedContent> <w:AlwaysShowPlaceholderText>false</w:AlwaysShowPlaceholderText> <w:Compatibility> <w:BreakWrappedTables/> <w:SnapToGridInCell/> <w:WrapTextWithPunct/> <w:UseAsianBreakRules/> <w:DontGrowAutofit/> </w:Compatibility> <w:BrowserLevel>MicrosoftInternetExplorer4</w:BrowserLevel> </w:WordDocument> </xml><![endif]--><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml> <w:LatentStyles DefLockedState="false" LatentStyleCount="156"> </w:LatentStyles> </xml><![endif]--><style> <!-- /* Style Definitions */ p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal {mso-style-parent:""; margin:0cm; margin-bottom:.0001pt; mso-pagination:widow-orphan; font-size:12.0pt; font-family:"Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"; mso-ansi-language:EN-GB; mso-fareast-language:EN-US;} @page Section1 {size:612.0pt 792.0pt; margin:70.85pt 70.85pt 70.85pt 70.85pt; mso-header-margin:36.0pt; mso-footer-margin:36.0pt; mso-paper-source:0;} div.Section1 {page:Section1;} --> </style><!--[if gte mso 10]> <style> /* Style Definitions */ table.MsoNormalTable {mso-style-name:"Table Normal"; mso-tstyle-rowband-size:0; mso-tstyle-colband-size:0; mso-style-noshow:yes; mso-style-parent:""; mso-padding-alt:0cm 5.4pt 0cm 5.4pt; mso-para-margin:0cm; mso-para-margin-bottom:.0001pt; mso-pagination:widow-orphan; font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Times New Roman"; mso-ansi-language:#0400; mso-fareast-language:#0400; mso-bidi-language:#0400;} </style> <![endif]--> Re: Conspiration <o:p></o:p>
<hr width="100%" align="center" color="#cccccc" noshade="noshade" size="1">​
<!-- / icon and title --><!-- message -->Quote:<o:p></o:p>
<table class="MsoNormalTable" style="width: 100%;" width="100%" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"> <tbody><tr style=""> <td style="border: 1pt inset ; padding: 4.5pt;"> Originally Posted by Muscade
http://www.ameriquebec.net/wp-conte...0gs0osgcggk.dw0wh8bkahw08gwocow80wkoc.th.jpeg
</td> </tr> </tbody></table> donc,
certains pourraient être prêts à tout,
et sans à limites … <o:p></o:p>
 
Re: Why flu?

Re: Why flu?

can learning anything be "bad" ?
Yes, because it is not only learning - it is experimenting.
Patenting lab chimeras.

With todays computer technology, stuffs could be learned digitaly,
mostly simulated, even based on digitized inputs of previous done experiments.
An live experimenting semi-auto-censuring is maybe needed.

Some chimerization is better to be leaved off,
because the knowledge is always decades of years from optimal,
so it could be partialy wrong, miss-used, or could became detrimental for the living species, as history teach us - if we speak of learning.

Remember the dividing of the atom formulas, ..., the gmo chimeras, ...

So much live experimenting without clean wide benefits.
The "Fleming/Florey/Chain results" folks seems to be rare at the moment ...

___

P.S.
I see the folks restarts the "magic particle" coliding searching.
Would we indeed found something until 2012;
maybe unexpectedly something under our feet also ... :rolleyes:
 
Re: Why flu?

Re: Why flu?

The title of this thread is uninformative and (deliberately?) misleading. Adeno-associated virus is not flu.

Regarding the more general question of whether this is a useful experiment, Tropical is being incoherent and self-contradictory. First he says that the experiment is unnecessary because we already know enough that the scientists should use computer simulations instead of laboratory experiments. Then he turns around and says it's dangerous because they don't know enough about the virus they're dealing with. Both of these assertions cannot be true at the same time.
 
Re: Why flu?

Re: Why flu?

knowledge in principle is not bad.
Except when your enemies have it.
Except when it's used for criminal purposes.

But ... that's the task of policy to "manage" that.
 
Re: Why flu?

Re: Why flu?

The title of this thread is uninformative and (deliberately?) misleading. Adeno-associated virus is not flu.

Regarding the more general question of whether this is a useful experiment, Tropical is being incoherent and self-contradictory. First he says that the experiment is unnecessary because we already know enough that the scientists should use computer simulations instead of laboratory experiments. Then he turns around and says it's dangerous because they don't know enough about the virus they're dealing with. Both of these assertions cannot be true at the same time.

Who says - the quadrature of the circle :)

Jokes apart, even in my bad eng. lang., I didn't see I wroted the formulation:
"the experiment is unnecessary because we already know enough"

I wroted precisely:
"stuffs could be learned digitaly,
mostly simulated, even based on digitized inputs of previous done experiments."

mostly => not always unnecessary

About "we already know enaugh" I see no mention in my post.

Quite the oposite, I wroted:
"Some chimerization is better to be leaved off,
because the knowledge is always decades of years from optimal".

But I DO see:
"An live experimenting semi-auto-censuring is maybe needed.";
"Some chimerization is better to be leaved off",

the above if enlarged was supposed to mean:

"the worldwide scientists could maybe try to put a brake to such risky and LIVE experiments, by imposing to themself an partial embargo to some chimerized free range microbial/orgs experiments."

If such ethical dilema is too much - than stop relaxing the guidelines,
and do the job in BSL-4 only
.
___

And yes, "Adeno-associated virus is not flu",
but the ideas/tryings from 2005 and prior, to construct a viable fast spreading global bf/pandemic flu vaccine by using an adenovirus/cold as its vector, are scientificaly reported at the time, FT posts also.

#1:
"scientists have supposedly forced the evolution of an adeno-associated virus (AAV) commonly used in gene therapy."
 
Back
Top Bottom