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St. Louis MO: Up to 50 students may be infected at Normandy H.S. n testing underway

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Source: http://www.stlamerican.com/articles/2008/10/21/news/local_news/localnews00000000000001.txt

Up to 50 students may be infected at Normandy H.S. n testing underway

By Sandra Jordan Of the St. Louis American
Tuesday, October 21, 2008 5:24 PM CDT

Monday night stunned students and parents at Normandy High School learned from health officials that as many as 50 students may have been exposed to HIV, the virus that causes AIDS.

Confirmed findings of disease investigation specialists working for the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and the St. Louis County Health Department led them to the school after a student tested HIV-positive.

?Several individuals, just at Normandy Senior High School, may have been exposed to HIV,? said Delores Gunn, M.D., director of the County Health Department. ?It?s time to sit down and have an honest conversation with your children.?


Gunn spoke Monday night in the presence of school district administrators and board members.

Normandy School District Superintendent Stanton E. Lawrence told parents, students and others in attendance this was an ?issue we have to embrace together as a family.?

Health department officials handed out flyers about HIV risk factors and HIV testing.

The burning question n whether that first HIV-positive person was still at the school - is the one health officials are forbidden to answer by state and federal law.

?I cannot answer that question for you,? Gunn told Laparish Primus, whose son is a 16-year-old honor student.

?Are the kids still here at the school n that are exposed at Normandy Senior High?? Primus asked.

?We won?t know until we do the testing,? Gunn responded.

Primus left work early to attend the parent meeting. She clutched her parent letter from the school and quickly exited the auditorium after receiving answers that were less than satisfying.

?I want to know if the kid was still here. My question wasn?t answered,? Primus told the American. ?This is startling. This was awful. I?m very scared. Very.?

Although Primus said she did not think her son was at risk, she is still a mom.

She said, ?I?m going to consider switching schools. He is embarrassed to tell people he goes to Normandy Senior High.?

Her personal fear does not preclude her from realizing the importance of learning more about HIV.

?If they can teach a child to cook in ?Home Ec? class, they certainly need a class about this,? Primus said. ?This is more important to them than a cooking class n a sexual health class.?

Voluntary, confidential testing of students got underway this week at no charge to the students or families.

?We cannot force anyone to take the test,? Gunn said. ?If you have risk factors, it?s in your best interest to get tested.?

Although many students may still be minors, their parents will not be given test results. Some did not like that answer either.

?I cannot share that information with anyone else other than that individual without their permission,? Gunn said. ?Results of testing will be given directly to the students. In time, virtually in all cases, the patients themselves always inform their family members.?


And although the HIV scare is the main topic of conversation at school these days, school is not where students will get their results.

?We will inform privately, at an offsite clinical setting,? Gunn said. ?It is our job by state law and by federal law that we tell each individual and make sure there are social workers and counselors to encourage them in any way.?


Currently there is treatment but no cure for HIV/AIDS.

?The earlier the interventions and an individual knows his HIV status, the better the outcome,? Gunn said, as she urged parents to encourage their children to submit to the confidential, voluntary oral HIV mouth swab testing.

?We are able to intervene and get them help immediately.?

Gunn said local, state and federal funding will pay for treatment of students who are found to be HIV-positive.

Regardless whether students opt for health department or private testing, by law test results on HIV and other sexually transmitted diseases are reported to the health department.

Gunn said it will take seven to 10 days to obtain all of the results.

Because the HIV virus can take up to three months to show up in the body, Gunn said health officials will return in January for no-cost retesting of students.


Gunn assured students and others in attendance that HIV could not be transmitted by sweat, playing ball or using a drinking fountain.

?The No. 1 route of transmission is still sexual n oral, vaginal, anal n any large transmission of bodily fluids, and also by sharing needles for drugs, including steroids,? she said.

?The best way to keep safe from HIV is not indulging in risky behavior n No. 1.?

Gunn said there is no evidence of malicious exposure. ?This is not a criminal investigation,? she said.
 
Re: St. Louis MO: Up to 50 students may be infected at Normandy H.S. n testing underway

Ok. How does HIV infect these people?

Through sexual intercourses or through iatrogenic way?

IDUs or medical devices?

Perhaps some explanations are due so more parents could be relieved...
 
Re: St. Louis MO: Up to 50 students may be infected at Normandy H.S. n testing underway

Ok. How does HIV infect these people?

Through sexual intercourses or through iatrogenic way?

IDUs or medical devices?

Perhaps some explanations are due so more parents could be relieved...
From the text in #1, I had the impression that the meds gave the info as a possibility only:
"?We won?t know until we do the testing,? Gunn responded."
"?Several individuals, just at Normandy Senior High School, may have been exposed to HIV,? said Delores Gunn, M.D., director of the County Health Department. ?It?s time to sit down and have an honest conversation with your children.?"

An reaction to the aknowledgment of having a HIV seropositive student between.
If the students weren't promiscue, or used a preservative the chances are much minor ...
 
Re: St. Louis MO: Up to 50 students may be infected at Normandy H.S. n testing underway

*50* students seems like a high number, but perhaps the original person went undiagnosed for a while. Within a school setting, I would imagine HIV would be considered a sexually transmitted disease or transmitted by shared drug needles.

?If they can teach a child to cook in ?Home Ec? class, they certainly need a class about this,? Primus said. ?This is more important to them than a cooking class n a sexual health class.?
Mixin's note to parents: Please do your job and educate your own childred as to the dangers of sexually-transmitted diseases. Do not count on your schools or your kids' schoolmates to give *your* children their sex education; you likely will not be happy with the results.
 
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HIV-positive person exposes up to 50 students to virus

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NORMANDY, Mo.–Students at a St. Louis high school are getting HIV testing this week after an infected person told health officials as many as 50 teenagers might have been exposed to the virus that causes AIDS.
Officials refused to give details on who the person was or how the students at Normandy High School might have been exposed, but the district is consulting with national AIDS organizations as it tries to minimize the fallout and prevent the infection – and misinformation – from spreading.
"There's potential for stigma for all students regardless of whether they're positive or negative," Normandy School District spokesperson Doug Hochstedler said today. "The board wants to be sure all children are fully educated."
A teacher in a neighbouring district singled out a girl dating someone at Normandy High and instructed her to get tested, Hochstedler said. A competing school's football team initially balked at playing Normandy's team.
Jasmine Lane, a 16-year-old sophomore, said her boyfriend from a neighbouring high school broke up with her on learning of the news – after she bought them tickets to homecoming.
Hochstedler said that as far as he knows, no other district has had to handle a similar situation. Students at the school of 1,300 are being tested, and the district is getting advice on the best ways to support kids in crisis.
Sophomore Tevin Baldwin said that many of his classmates in this working-class city of about 5,000 residents want to transfer out of the district, which encompasses other towns.
"Nobody knows what's going on," he said. The district declined to respond to his assertion.
Marcus Holman, a 14-year-old freshman, said he never imagined HIV would become such a widespread threat at school.
"I'm just trying to pass, get to the next grade, safely," he said.
Normandy Superintendent Stanton Lawrence agreed that students remain focused on learning, despite concerns and distraction. There's no hysteria or panic, and school is running routinely, he said.
"They recognize this situation is what it is, and doesn't mean school is over," he said. "Their concern is heightened, but we have to face it and do the responsible thing."
The St. Louis County Health Department said last week that a positive HIV test raised concern that students at Normandy might have been exposed. The department is not saying whether the infected person was a student or connected with the school, only that the person indicated as many as 50 students may have been exposed.
Hochstedler said the district doesn't know the person's identity, or even whether he or she is a student.
"We do know there was some potential exposure between that person and students," he said. "We don't know the individual or the route of transmission.''
The district learned Oct. 9 of the potential exposure and within a business day worked out with the Health Department how to release the information and handle testing, he said.
"They took a very proactive stance," he said. "There's no precedent for this."
Students are being tested at six stations in the high school gymnasium, one class at a time. Only representatives from the Health Department are with the students, who are offered educational materials and a chance to ask questions before they are given an opportunity to be tested with a mouth swab, Hochstedler said. They may decline.
They exit through a separate door, and no one in the school would know who did or did not get tested.
"It's entirely up to the student," he said. "There's a lot of stigma associated with this."
The district will never know whether or how many of its students tested positive, he said.
"Once they're tested," he said, "it's an issue between the department and the child and his family."
So far, the district has met twice with parents and begun to ask ministers in the community to stress the importance of responsible behavior, Lawrence said.
Students in grades four through 12 already take classes that discuss the consequences of risky behavior, including HIV, he said. :tiphat:http://www.thestar.com/News/World/article/523600
 
Re: St. Louis MO: Up to 50 students may be infected at Normandy H.S. n testing underway

Since we are living in 2008 and not in 1980, HIV transmission is known to be ONLY through unprotected sexual intercourses or promiscuous intravenous illicit drug usage. Other ways of infections are only through blood transfusions (with untested blood, and I think in USA this issue is to date very rare) or non-sterile surgical equipment (also extremely rare in developed countries).

Thus, students should be feel safe because HIV doesn't transmit during casual contacts and share of common life rooms, dorms, toilets.

No transmission by air or when staying in a room with people coughing or sneezing.

These things should be of common knowledge in a school environment...

Any other rumors or hoax about HIV transmission out of the above mentioned ways should be immediately fugated by clear and indepht communication to students and parents.
 
Re: St. Louis MO: Up to 50 students may be infected at Normandy H.S. n testing underway

. . .
Thus, students should be feel safe because HIV doesn't transmit during casual contacts and share of common life rooms, dorms, toilets.

No transmission by air or when staying in a room with people coughing or sneezing.

These things should be of common knowledge in a school environment. . .

IOH makes an important point about known transmission mechanisms of HIV which is different than the mechanism associated with an avian influenza virus.

Once the next pandemic starts, we should be very cognizant about aerosolized and fomite transmission of such a virus.
 
Re: St. Louis MO: Up to 50 students may be infected at Normandy H.S. n testing underway

IOH makes an important point about known transmission mechanisms of HIV which is different than the mechanism associated with an avian influenza virus.

Once the next pandemic starts, we should be very cognizant about aerosolized and fomite transmission of such a virus.

Ok and how are we going to convince horny teenagers that staying away from each other is the best idea?
 
Re: St. Louis MO: Up to 50 students may be infected at Normandy H.S. n testing underway

HIV/AIDS has been around for such a long time, I'm surprised there are parents who are still in the dark about it. I was almost amused by this comment: "Primus said she did not think her son was at risk". I suspect she doesn't have a clue.

Amish Country,
If a couple of teens are determined, there's only so much a parent can do to prevent it. The second best thing, imo, is teach safe sex.
 
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Source: http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/ne...D33F050C5966BF15862574ED0017BD88?OpenDocument

Tattoos not source of HIV scare at Normandy High, say health officials
ST. LOUIS POST-DISPATCH
10/25/2008

Tattoo needles are not the source of HIV exposure among up to 50 Normandy High School students, health officials said Friday.

Responding to rumors in the community, the St. Louis County Health Department said there was no indication that tattoos or any tattoo business is involved.


Voluntary, confidential and free testing of Normandy students started this week at the school after an investigation into one HIV diagnosis led to concerns about a number of at-risk students who may have been exposed to the virus that causes AIDS.

The testing by the health department is expected to be completed by the end of the month.

Planned Parenthood is also offering free HIV tests through November for area high school students who bring a student ID to one of their clinics. For more information, call 800-230-7526.
 
Re: St. Louis MO: Up to 50 students may be infected at Normandy H.S. n testing underway

HIV/AIDS has been around for such a long time, I'm surprised there are parents who are still in the dark about it. I was almost amused by this comment: "Primus said she did not think her son was at risk". I suspect she doesn't have a clue.

Amish Country,
If a couple of teens are determined, there's only so much a parent can do to prevent it. The second best thing, imo, is teach safe sex.

:applause: I strongly agree. However, as you pointed out the parents have to be informed and actually "communicate" with their teens spelling details out in words the teens understand. In my family I was expected to figure things out from very vague and cryptic innuendos. While the adult may understand this subtle form of communication is useless with kids. Obviously assuming the school system can do the entire job is not enough.

Actually I have often wondered why those who want to prevent teenage pregnancies and STD's have not focused in on the physical effects a full term pregnancy and infant care can have on the mother. My resulted in painful flat feet, strange moles popping up that were blamed on hormones (as most everything else was), weight gain, high stress was blamed for hair falling out of places it should grow, hair also started growing in places it was unwanted, lack of sleep lead to puffy red bloodshot eyes and a short temper. I wonder if a doctor or teacher explaining the visible results of what may happen to breasts, as the result of nursing might be enough to solve the problem in some cases.

The picture of a beautiful carefree young girl potentially turning into a flat footed, hobbling, stress out, over weight, short tempered retch with blood shot eyes, strange moles, thinning hair and no time for herself or friends due to her new responsibility might get someone’s attention.
 
Re: St. Louis MO: Up to 50 students may be infected at Normandy H.S. n testing underway

Source: http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/ne...D33F050C5966BF15862574ED0017BD88?OpenDocument

Tattoos not source of HIV scare at Normandy High, say health officials
ST. LOUIS POST-DISPATCH
10/25/2008

Tattoo needles are not the source of HIV exposure among up to 50 Normandy High School students, health officials said Friday.

Responding to rumors in the community, the St. Louis County Health Department said there was no indication that tattoos or any tattoo business is involved.


Voluntary, confidential and free testing of Normandy students started this week at the school after an investigation into one HIV diagnosis led to concerns about a number of at-risk students who may have been exposed to the virus that causes AIDS.

The testing by the health department is expected to be completed by the end of the month.

Planned Parenthood is also offering free HIV tests through November for area high school students who bring a student ID to one of their clinics. For more information, call 800-230-7526.

This story seems like a huge overreaction. The health department is doing a terrible job explaining what happened and how 50 students may have been exposed... What does that mean? It just does not make sense. They are scaring parents and students for most likely no reason at all.
 
Re: St. Louis MO: Up to 50 students may be infected at Normandy H.S. n testing underway

Medstudent,

I suspect what is happening here is that this is a school with sexually active hihg school students, with possibly a hard core group of fairly promiscous teenagers. It happens, and I think it happens in most schools of this age group to a greater or lesser extent.

The number of 50 is likely to be derived from known sexual contacts of the index case, along with their contacts. The contacts will be considered suspect, regardless of whether safe sex occured until proven otherwise. I would guess that it is a pretty large high school, so we will still be talking about a minority of students. Perhaps an object lesson for parents (and high school students) everywhere, and I expect that they are making a big deal of it so that all infected kids can be identified and got onto therapy quickly and the transmission chain amongst youngsters stopped.

A potential tradgedy for all concerned .... lets hope that the 50 test negative.
 
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