gsgs
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Re: low mutation rates in flu-viruses
Re: low mutation rates in flu-viruses
now it seems that we can observe the same phenomenon
in North America. More and more sequences are being uploaded
and virus-segments with few differences but decades apart
appear.
I have not yet made a systematic list as above for
HK-Hubei-Henan but e.g.
A/pintail/Alaska/779/2005(H3N8)
seems to have some low-distance relatives from the 70s
or 80s in all segments.
While at the same time being close to other viruses from 2005.
segment 1 : 97.4% similarity for 14 years
segment 2 : 97.5% similarity for 12 years
segment 3 : 95.9% similarity for 26 years
segment 4 : 97.1% similarity for 27 years
segment 5 : 96.6% similarity for 24 years
segment 6 : 96.3% similarity for 28 years
segment 7 : 98.3% similarity for 27 years
segment 8 : 97.4% similarity for 26 years
these are different viruses for the segments, there
was apparantly much reassortment.
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comparing 52 North American avian viruses from the 70s with
248 North American avian viruses from 2000 or later
compare with Asia from post #1:
minimum:
(nucleotide-difference in 0/00)
This low-mutation evolution isn't seen in human influenza
and seems to be independent and rarer than "normal"
evolution in birds. But it contributes significantly,
so is the current H5N1 a result of this low mutation evolution
in most segments since the 70s as shown above.
What could it be ? And why isn't it in human flu ?
(but some examples for swine too !)
some possible explanations:
* the virus could persist most of the time in the environment (water ?)
and only some of the time actively replicating in birds
* the virus could persist in some special organs/places inside
some special species of birds (or other animals ?)
* the virus has a method to replicate more reliably with fewer
mutation-rates in some species under certain circumstances
(as seen with influenza-B in humans)
* some gene-configurations are particularly stable and although
the mutation rate isn't lower, only few of them survive due
to selection (including selection for synonymous mutations)
I wish more bird-sequences from the 1970s from EurAsia
Re: low mutation rates in flu-viruses
now it seems that we can observe the same phenomenon
in North America. More and more sequences are being uploaded
and virus-segments with few differences but decades apart
appear.
I have not yet made a systematic list as above for
HK-Hubei-Henan but e.g.
A/pintail/Alaska/779/2005(H3N8)
seems to have some low-distance relatives from the 70s
or 80s in all segments.
While at the same time being close to other viruses from 2005.
segment 1 : 97.4% similarity for 14 years
segment 2 : 97.5% similarity for 12 years
segment 3 : 95.9% similarity for 26 years
segment 4 : 97.1% similarity for 27 years
segment 5 : 96.6% similarity for 24 years
segment 6 : 96.3% similarity for 28 years
segment 7 : 98.3% similarity for 27 years
segment 8 : 97.4% similarity for 26 years
these are different viruses for the segments, there
was apparantly much reassortment.
---------edit1----------
comparing 52 North American avian viruses from the 70s with
248 North American avian viruses from 2000 or later
Code:
1978-2005: 39,29,40,28,28,32,16,15
compare with Asia from post #1:
Code:
1977-2004: 29,11,17,81,13,99,14,19
minimum:
Code:
27 years: 29,11,17,28,13,32,14,15
(nucleotide-difference in 0/00)
This low-mutation evolution isn't seen in human influenza
and seems to be independent and rarer than "normal"
evolution in birds. But it contributes significantly,
so is the current H5N1 a result of this low mutation evolution
in most segments since the 70s as shown above.
What could it be ? And why isn't it in human flu ?
(but some examples for swine too !)
some possible explanations:
* the virus could persist most of the time in the environment (water ?)
and only some of the time actively replicating in birds
* the virus could persist in some special organs/places inside
some special species of birds (or other animals ?)
* the virus has a method to replicate more reliably with fewer
mutation-rates in some species under certain circumstances
(as seen with influenza-B in humans)
* some gene-configurations are particularly stable and although
the mutation rate isn't lower, only few of them survive due
to selection (including selection for synonymous mutations)
I wish more bird-sequences from the 1970s from EurAsia