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Review finds little evidence of airborne spread of flu

wilfriedsoddemann

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Another one whistleblower:

H5N1 avian flu: Spread by drinking water
Human to human and contact transmission of influenza occur - but are overvalued immense. Influenza epidemics in Germany rarely appear together with recognized clusters (9% of the cases in the season 2004/2005). Recent research must worry: So far the virus had to reach the bronchi and the lungs in order to infect humans. Now in Indonesia it infects the upper respiratory system (mucous membranes of the throat e.g. when drinking and mucous membranes of the nose and probably also the conjunctiva of the eyes as well as the eardrum e.g. at showering). In three cases (Viet Nam, Thailand) stomach and intestine by the H5N1 virus were stricken but not the bronchi and the lungs. The virus must have been thus orally taken up, e.g. when drinking contaminated water.
http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/cidrap/content/influenza/avianflu/news/jun0607indonesia.html
http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/avian_influenza/en/index.html#history
http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/cidrap/content/influenza/panflu/news/mar1307transmit.html
http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/EID/vol12no12/06-0829.htm?s_cid=eid06_0829_x


Influenza: Initial introduction of influenza viruses to the population via abiotic water supply versus biotic human viral respirated droplet shedding

The primary, initial transmission of the human influenza epidemics by the biotic droplet infection is not proven (BRANKSTON et al. 2007) and extremely improbably as influenza epidemics

? appear only in 9% of the cases (season 2004/2005 in Germany) together with recognized clusters.
? appear virologically locally singularly (influenza-subtypes and precision typing).
? appear geographically locally singularly.
? are not proven with priority in large cities and densely populated areas.
? appear predominantly in the colder regions of Germany.
? regularly reach their maxima in certain districts/cities.
? in temperate climates strictly run parallel to the course of the sum of coldness during the winter.
? can hardly spread via saliva droplets. Saliva contains far less Influenza viruses than the - heavier - droplets from throat and nose.



The facts

Influenza epidemics in Germany rarely appear together with recognized clusters (9% of the cases in the season 2004/2005) (RKI 2006).

Influenza epidemics appear virologically locally singularly (influenza-subtypes and precision typing) (AGI 2007).

Influenza epidemics also run geographically locally singularly. They are not proven with priority in large cities and densely populated areas. They arise predominantly in the colder regions of Germany (in the east with cold continental climate in the winter, southeast, altitudes) (RKI 2007). They reach their maxima regularly in certain districts/cities (RKI 2007).

In temperate climates Influenza epidemics run strictly parallel to the course of the sum of coldness during winter.

In hot climates/tropics the flood-related influenza is typical after extreme weather and natural after a flood. Virulence of influenza virus depends on temperature and time. If young and fresh contaminated water from a local low well, a cistern, tank, rain barrel or rice field is used water temperature may be higher. In the tropics there are often outdoor cisterns, tanks, rain barrels, rice fields or local low wells for water supply. In Germany about 98% inhabitants have a central public water supply with older and better protected water. In Germany therefore coldness is decisive as to virulence of influenza viruses in drinking water.

Influenza epidemics can hardly spread by saliva droplets. Saliva contains far less influenza viruses than the substantially heavier droplets from throat and nose (ANONYMOUS 2003) (GOLDMANN 2001).

Human influenza viruses could be proven in the excretions of mammals such as pigs (faecal and oronasal), wild boar (faecal and oronasal), cattle and goats, so that the transmission path from the environment over waters and the drinking water in principle is possible (BROWN 2004) (GRAVES et al. 1975) (KADEN et al. 2001) (KAWAOKA et al. 1986) (LANDOLT et al. 2003) (MARKOWSKA DANIEL et al. 1999) (RKI 1999) (VICENTE et al. 2002) (WEBSTER 1998) (ZHOU et al. 1996) (CARPENTER 2001). With considerable certainty further animal species that are infected with influenza A will be discovered in the future (WEBSTER 1998).


Elimination and inactivating of viruses during the drinking water treatment

Drinking water is often not or only roughly filtered in Germany. The very small viruses are not definitely removed thereby. For groundwater treatment fast speed filtration plants for the elimination of iron and manganese do not possess any effect regarding the elimination of viruses (WHO 2004). Even the plants in Germany which are known to be particularly efficient regarding the flocculation and filtration can not reach the elimination and inactivating goals demanded from the WHO (WHO 2004); not even under the consideration of the common disinfection procedures, whose efficiency decreases with sinking water temperature [Chlorine and ozone treatment] and that are only of limited efficiency when microorganisms are embedded in particles or in biofilm [Chlorine, ozone treatment and UV irradiation].


"Cooling chain of the public water supply"

Coldness is by far the most important parameter for the preservation of virulent influenza viruses in water. The temperature minimum of the dam water in Germany values in January and February 3-4?C. Every year, river water has its temperature minimum also in January and February. Close to the surface ground water in Germany has its temperature minimum - similar to the soil in 100 cm depth - at the ground water surface of about 3?C in February and March. Ground water taken from wells of larger depth can also be colder than the deeper ground water due to the affection of surface water that infiltrates in the case of unsatisfactory sealing between the fountain and the surrounding rock. River water draining away and reaching wells on short ways can have the same effect. Bank filtrate from wells, which was drilled near the bank from surface water, adopts the temperature of the cold surface water. The same applies to wells, from which ground water enriched with surface water is pumped. The soil temperatures in a meter of depth correspond to the temperatures of the drinking water pipelines that are laid frost-protected in the soils. The temperature minima of the soil temperatures in a 100 cm depth value in Germany during the months February and March 3-5?C (DWD 2007). The temperatures of the drinking water pipelines and the drinking water transported in them adapt themselves to the soil temperatures. In the winter cold raw water remains cold in the drinking water treatment plants and after the treatment to drinking water in the water tanks and water pipelines until the connection to the consumers. The temperature minimum of the drinking water when connecting to the consumers follows in particular the run of the wintry cold sum in the soil and in the water pipelines. It arises in the months February/March. The cold drinking water is first mixed in the dwellings at the taps with warm water from the house installation. Thus the continuous "cooling chain of the public water supply" is described from the water winning up to the consumers with a drinking water temperature of about 4-5?C in the months February/March. Cold, young, freshly by Influenzaviruses contaminated drinking water, taken out from surface water and badly protected surface near ground water as well as out of the ground water from karst can be the abiotic vehicle, which conserves virulent Influenzaviruses in the winter at 4-5?C and transports them over the "cooling chain of the public water supply" to humans.


Transmission paths of the drinking water

Infections by drinking water will not be transmitted alone by drinking the water. Further transmission paths are the inhalation of aerosols and the contact with the drinking water. Access for humans are the conjunctiva, the nose mucous membrane, the mouth mucous membrane, the eardrum, wounds and by catheters affected other mucous membranes.


Conclusions

The primary transmission of the influenza by the biotic ?warm? droplet infection from human to human is, already because of the strict dependence on environmental temperatures in temperate climates, extremely improbable. The influenza must be triggered by an abiotic vehicle, which is increasingly efficient regarding the spread of infections with increasingly cold environmental temperatures. Therefore it has to be searched for abiotic vehicles dependent on cold environmental temperatures for the transmission of the influenza in temperate climates. Drinking water is such an abiotic vehicle.

The stated references and indications show that cold drinking water can be that abiotic vehicle, by which virulent human Influenza viruses from the reservoirs reach humans and triggers predominantly the seasonal influenza epidemics.

That applies in particular also to the extremely lethal H5N1 bird flu, whose faecal transmission is indisputable.


References

AGI (2007): Arbeitsgemeinschaft Influenza http://influenza.rki.de/agi
ANONYM (2003): Understanding Sars and other Respiratory Infections May 2003.
http://www.ifh-homehygiene.org/2003/2downloadabledoc/SARS.pdf
BRANKSTON et al. (2007): Transmission of influenza A in human beings. Lancet Infect Dis. 2007 Apr;7 (4):257-65. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/e...ez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum
BROWN (2004): Influenza Virus Infections of Pigs, Part 1: swine, avian & human influenza viruses. http://www.pighealth.com/influenza.htm ; Part 2: Transmission between pigs and other species. Veterinary Laboratories Agency, UK.
http://www.pighealth.com/influenzaB.htm
DWD (2007): Deutscher Wetterdienst (DWD), Wetterstation Erfurt-Bindersleben, Erdbodentemperaturen aus 100 cm Tiefe
GOLDMANN (2001): Epidemiology and Prevention of Pediatric Viral Respiratory Infections in Health-Care Institutions, Children?s Hospital and Harvard Medical School, Boston, Massachusetts, USA, Emerging Infectious Diseases, Special Issue.
http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/eid/vol7no2/goldmann.htm
GRAVES et al. (1975): Human viruses in animals in West Bengal: An ecological analysis, Human Ecology, Volume 3, Number 2 / April, 1975, 105-130.
http://www.springerlink.com/content/u5408wx5t622ll82/
KADEN et al. (2001): Gef?hrliche Verwandtschaft. Schwarzwild - ein nat?rliches Reservoir f?r Infektionserreger und Ansteckungsquelle f?r Hausschweine? Bundes-forschungsanstalt f?r Viruskrankheiten der Tiere: Forschungsreport 1/2001: 24-28.
http://ticker-grosstiere.animal-health-online.de/20010902-00002/
KAWAOKA et al. (1986): Intestinal replication of influenza A viruses in two mammalian species, Archives of Virology, Volume 93, Numbers 3-4 / December, 1987, 303-308.
http://www.springerlink.com/content/g352726672xj5703/
LANDOLT et al. (2003): Comparison of the Pathogenesis of Two Genetically Different H3N2 Influenza A Viruses in Pigs, J Clin Microbiol. 2003 May; 41(5): 1936?1941.
http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?tool=pmcentrez&rendertype=abstract&artid=154671
MARKOWSKA-DANIEL et al. (1999): Seroprevalence of influenza virus among wild boars in Poland. National Veterinary Research Institute, Swine Diseases Departement, Pulawy, Poland. http://www.medwet.lublin.pl/Year 1999/vol99-05/art222-98.htm
RKI (1999): Robert Koch-Institut (RKI) Merkblatt f?r ?rzte Influenza ? Verh?tung und Bek?mpfung (Stand 1999).
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RKI (2007): Robert Koch-Institut Berlin, RKI, Datenbank der nach Infektionsschutzgesetz meldepflichtigen Infektionskrankheiten in Deutschland; http://www3.rki.de/SurvStat/
VICENTE et al. (2002): Antibodies to selected viral and bacterial pathogens in European wild boars from southcentral Spain. J Wildl Dis. 38(3): 649-52.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...ve&db=PubMed&list_uids=12238391&dopt=Abstract
WEBSTER (1998): Influenza: An Emerging Disease. Emerging Infectious Diseases 4(3). http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/eid/vol4no3/webster.htm
WHO (2004): World Health Organization (WHO), 2004, Guidelines for drinking-water quality, 3rd Ed., http://www.who.int/water_sanitation_health/dwq/gdwq3/en/print.html
ZHOU et al. (1996): Influenza infection in humans and pigs in southeastern China, Archives of Virology, Volume 141, Numbers 3-4 / March, 1996, 649-661
http://www.springerlink.com/content/p220471r1r337521/
ZIMMERMANN (2001): Krankheiten des Schweines. Veterin?rmedizinische Fakult?t der Universit?t Bern, Vorlesungsskript: 49-51.
http://www.vetmed.unibe.ch/studvet/...ne_Skript_WZimmermann_234JK_WS0102_081101.pdf

Contact:
Bauassessor Dipl.-Ing. Wilfried Soddemann
eMail: soddemann-aachen@t-online.de
 

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WS -

Interesting theory. It appears your therom rests on the seasonal correlation of influenza outbreaks and the cold weather coupled with the fact that "droplets" are difficult vectors of infection.

I would like to see opposing viewpoints for consideration regarding this theory. :magnify:
 
Re: Review finds little evidence of airborne spread of flu

WS -

Interesting theory. It appears your therom rests on the seasonal correlation of influenza outbreaks and the cold weather coupled with the fact that "droplets" are difficult vectors of infection.

I would like to see opposing viewpoints for consideration regarding this theory. :magnify:

More discussion about potential transmission of H5N1 through drinking water in this thread: http://www.flutrackers.com/forum/showthread.php?t=28914
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Re: Review finds little evidence of airborne spread of flu

WS -

Interesting theory. It appears your therom rests on the seasonal correlation of influenza outbreaks and the cold weather coupled with the fact that "droplets" are difficult vectors of infection.

I would like to see opposing viewpoints for consideration regarding this theory. :magnify:

can be found at that forum which may not be linked to ;-)
 
Re: Review finds little evidence of airborne spread of flu

WS -

Interesting theory. It appears your therom rests on the seasonal correlation of influenza outbreaks and the cold weather coupled with the fact that "droplets" are difficult vectors of infection.

I would like to see opposing viewpoints for consideration regarding this theory. :magnify:

Interesting is too:

- There is neither virologically nor geographically a big and homogeneous influenza cloud! Big cities and conurbations are not influenza centers.
- Influenza epidemics appear only in 9% of the cases (German season 2005) together with recognized clusters.

Most opposing viewpoints:

- Influenza is airborne transmitted (not proven statement).
- Waterborne transmission of seasonal influenza is not possible as influenza viruses are not in the feces of humans and therefore the fecal-oral route do not exist.
- Drinking water from ground water and from treated surface water does not contain virulent viruses.
- The German government has everything under control - even zoonoses ... :applause:

My answers and references you can take from my article. Pigs and wild boar for example are reservoires for human influenza viruses too. In pigs there are influenza incidences from 30 % to 80%.
 
Re: Review finds little evidence of airborne spread of flu

the pig viruses are different from the human viruses, though.
Only in rare cases does a pig-virus jump to humans,
certainly not for seasonal flu.
Also, seasonal flu doesn't start on pig-farms.

Respiratory spread human to human is clearly prevalent
and documented. Even if there were spread by water too,
which I doubt, respiratory h2h is still the dominant route.

Has there ever been a human or ferret infected
in a laboratory by drinking water ?
 
Re: Review finds little evidence of airborne spread of flu

We can added to the mix surface contaminations also.
 
Re: Review finds little evidence of airborne spread of flu

We can added to the mix surface contaminations also.

Yes, of course.

A very good argument for the way (access): surface - hands - mouth or eyes or nose - throat ... the same way is possible for water: water - mouth or eyes or nose - throat ...

But: For virulence of influenza viruses cold water is "safer" than warm surfaces.
 
Re: Review finds little evidence of airborne spread of flu

the survey contains the new theories.
For some strange theories see also this:
http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/picrender.fcgi?artid=1438138&blobtype=pdf
which was recently mentioned at another board.

Without "bible" we soon would have thousands of Soddemanns and nimans ...

I wish to help you: I am the Soddemann! There are not thousands of Soddemanns. But: What is "nimans" ? I do not know. Just help me please!
:surrender:
 
Re: Review finds little evidence of airborne spread of flu

another poster here with an unaccepted theory.
Swimming against the main stream.

So many possible theories...
 
Re: Review finds little evidence of airborne spread of flu

Aristotle had an unaccepted theory that the earth was round.


"The evidence of the senses further corroborates this. How else would eclipses of the moon show segments shaped as we see them? As it is, the shapes which the moon itself each month shows are of every kind -- straight, gibbous, and concave -- but in eclipses the outline is always curved: and, since it is the interposition of the earth that makes the eclipse, the form of this line will be caused by the form of the earth's surface, which is therefore spherical.

Again, our observations of the stars make it evident, not only that the earth is circular, but that it is a circle of no great size. For quite a small change of position to south or north causes a manifest alteration of the horizon. There is much change, I mean, in the stars which are overhead, and the stars seen are different, as one moves northward or southward. Indeed there are some stars seen in Egypt and in the neighborhood of Cyprus which are not seen in the northerly regions; and stars, which in the north are never beyond range of observation, in those regions rise and set. All of which goes to show not only that the earth is circular in shape, but also that it is a sphere of no great size: for otherwise the effect of so slight a change of place would not be so quickly apparent. Hence one should not be too sure of the incredibility of the view of those who conceive that there is continuity between the parts about the pillars of Hercules and the parts about India, and that in this way the ocean is one."

(Aristotle, "On the Heavens," Book II, Chapter 14, The Works of Aristotle, Oxford University Press; pp. 297-298.)
 
Re: Review finds little evidence of airborne spread of flu

Aristotle had an unaccepted theory that the earth was round.


"The evidence of the senses further corroborates this. How else would eclipses of the moon show segments shaped as we see them? As it is, the shapes which the moon itself each month shows are of every kind -- straight, gibbous, and concave -- but in eclipses the outline is always curved: and, since it is the interposition of the earth that makes the eclipse, the form of this line will be caused by the form of the earth's surface, which is therefore spherical.

Again, our observations of the stars make it evident, not only that the earth is circular, but that it is a circle of no great size. For quite a small change of position to south or north causes a manifest alteration of the horizon. There is much change, I mean, in the stars which are overhead, and the stars seen are different, as one moves northward or southward. Indeed there are some stars seen in Egypt and in the neighborhood of Cyprus which are not seen in the northerly regions; and stars, which in the north are never beyond range of observation, in those regions rise and set. All of which goes to show not only that the earth is circular in shape, but also that it is a sphere of no great size: for otherwise the effect of so slight a change of place would not be so quickly apparent. Hence one should not be too sure of the incredibility of the view of those who conceive that there is continuity between the parts about the pillars of Hercules and the parts about India, and that in this way the ocean is one."

(Aristotle, "On the Heavens," Book II, Chapter 14, The Works of Aristotle, Oxford University Press; pp. 297-298.)

Doctor John Snow Blames Water Pollution for Cholera Epidemic
In Snow's day most physicians believed that cholera was caused by "miasmas" -poisonous gases that were thought to arise from sewers, swamps, garbage pits, open graves, and other foul-smelling sites of organic decay.
From the last month of 1849 until late in 1853, Britain experienced few cases of cholera. Snow continued to work on his theory that drinking water was the primary means of contagion. He accumulated data that had been collected in the epidemic of 1848-49 and that showed that patterns of the disease could be linked with specific water supplies. ?
 

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Re: Review finds little evidence of airborne spread of flu

you're making the -how I'd call it" nimannian mistake.
You pick examples instead of looking at the complete statistics.

For each Aristotle, each Snow, there are hundredths and thousands of
Ptolemaios and Smiths with strange new theories which proof wrong
later and who are forgotten then.
 
Re: Review finds little evidence of airborne spread of flu

you're making the -how I'd call it" nimannian mistake.
You pick examples instead of looking at the complete statistics.

For each Aristotle, each Snow, there are hundredths and thousands of
Ptolemaios and Smiths with strange new theories which proof wrong
later and who are forgotten then.

OK. But I trust in my results! Bye Bye!
 
Re: Review finds little evidence of airborne spread of flu

For the case of Rügen there are proof evidence, that the most sequences originates from areas in Russia and Black Sea. I can't find a correlation to a infection by drinking (surface) water ... in Rügens Bodden ... maybe from Black Sea, but not from Rügen, not to mention from Riems ...
 
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