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Parlamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe (PACE) on 29 March 2010 ? SECOND public hearing: Swine Flu: 'the next time someone cries wolf on a pand

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http://assembly.coe.int/ASP/NewsManager/EMB_NewsManagerView.asp?ID=5415

PACE: Parlamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe
Social, Health and Family Affairs: 29/03/2010
(SECOND Parlamentary hearing at Paris)



Swine Flu: 'the next time someone cries wolf on a pandemic, it will not be taken seriously'



Paris, 29.03.2010 - ?The next time someone cries wolf over a pandemic, the overwhelming majority will not take it seriously,? participants were told today at a parliamentary hearing on the handling of the H1N1 pandemic, organised in Paris by PACE?s Social, Health and Family Affairs Committee.

?A pandemic cannot be whatever the WHO declares it is. If it turns out that former PACE member Wolfgang Wodarg was right when he said the pandemic was decided to help the pharmaceutical industry make bigger profits, this might well turn out to be one of the biggest health scandals ever,? said Paul Flynn (United Kingdom, SOC), PACE rapporteur on this issue.

Participants also expressed regret at the WHO?s failure to revise its position on the pandemic, and warned against a possible repetition of events if no lessons were learnt. ?The world no longer trusts the WHO, but we need a body of this kind and it must therefore restore its own credibility,? Mr Flynn added.

He paid tribute to the rare courage of the Polish Health Minister Ewa Kopacz, who had refused to be held hostage by the pharmaceutical industry and did not order vaccines. She said that drug company profit should not be more important than people.

She urged the WHO to urgently re-examine their position and decrease the pandemic alert level. She also denounced the lack of solidarity among European states when the pandemic was declared and the lack of co-ordination at EU level. Marc Gentilini, an expert in infectious diseases who is a former President of the French Red Cross, regretted that there was no such thing as a European health policy and called for the building of what he called a Europe of Health: ?The precautionary principle is not a political umbrella to be abused,? he said.

Health researcher Tom Jefferson, of the independently-funded Cochrane Collaboration, stressed that parliamentary democracy was the best means of ensuring that private interests do not prevail over the sovereignty of states: ?We trust democracy to have a surveillance system that works. The public health sector may not rely on privatised expertise,? he warned, underlining that so-called experts did not emerge like daisies but were ?created and made into key opinion-leaders?.

Mich?le Rivasi, a member of the Green Group in the European Parliament, who is calling for an inquiry by MEPs into the handling of the ?flu pandemic, illustrated what she called ?the chronicle of a pandemic foretold? and denounced the rush with which the WHO had announced the pandemic. She asked whether we were getting the whole truth from the WHO. She said it was important for PACE and the European Parliament to work together on this issue.

The participants also regretted that the WHO had not accepted the invitation to participate in this second hearing.


links to the Video of the second hearing (2 h 30 min):
http://assembly.coe.int/ASP/NewsManager/EMB_NewsManagerView.asp?ID=5415

and to the

Memorandum by Paul Flynn
http://assembly.coe.int/CommitteeDocs/2010/20100329_MemorandumPandemie_E.pdf


see also:

credits to tetano :applause: (post # 3, related thread)
http://www.flutrackers.com/forum/showthread.php?t=140046
Parlamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe (PACE) on 26 January 2010 - public hearing: The handling of the H1N1 pandemic: more transparency needed?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/mar/28/who-public-confidence-flu-pandemic
 
Re: Parlamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe (PACE) on 29 March 2010 ? SECOND public hearing: Swine Flu: 'the next time someone cries wolf on a pandemic, it will not be taken seriously'

As a separate issue, more transparency from governmental agencies is always desired.

The politicization of this pandemic is unforgivable and risks lives.


The Dead Children Thread

http://www.flutrackers.com/forum/showthread.php?t=124781




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Re: Parlamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe (PACE) on 29 March 2010 ? SECOND public hearing: Swine Flu: 'the next time someone cries wolf on a pandemic, it will not be taken seriously'

whoever that is "flutrackers" .

It clearly was a pandemic by their definition,
but they should want to add
a "category" to it or a severety level.
Like they do it for hurricanes and earthquakes.

England's early published predictions were even worse.
PCAST estimates were also too high, IMO.

There was (is) some danger of a 1918-like repitition,
<10% IMO, but worth to be considered

BTW. can we make the headlines shorter ?
 
Re: Parlamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe (PACE) on 29 March 2010 ? SECOND public hearing: Swine Flu: 'the next time someone cries wolf on a pandemic, it will not be taken seriously'

Wouldn't it be difficult to know the severity of any pandemic ahead of time? With little known immunity to H1N1, wouldn't it have been classified as HIGH initially? (And, like weather forecasting...wrong a lot of the time.)
 
Re: Parlamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe (PACE) on 29 March 2010 ? SECOND public hearing: Swine Flu: 'the next time someone cries wolf on a pandemic, it will not be taken seriously'

The headline is fine.

More transparency is needed in all governmental agencies.

Financial connections to industry should be revealed by all representatives of the world's peoples.

Many of the predictions about the pandemic were incorrect.

But the pandemic is not over.
 
Re: Parlamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe (PACE) on 29 March 2010 ? SECOND public hearing: Swine Flu: 'the next time someone cries wolf on a pandemic, it will not be taken seriously'

they might have started with category two in May and then going down
to one after the New York wave in June.

It's the reluctance to give estimates that causes the uncertainety.
They cannot always be correct with the predictions but they
should try it anyway (IMO)
 
Re: Parlamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe (PACE) on 29 March 2010 ? SECOND public hearing: Swine Flu: 'the next time someone cries wolf on a pandemic, it will not be taken seriously'

As a separate issue, more transparency from governmental agencies is always desired.

The politicization of this pandemic is unforgivable and risks lives.
(...)


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sharon :tiphat: :iagree:

... and I also do NOT agree with the PACE statement



Just for clarification:


Council of Europe

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_of_Europe
The Council of Europe is a separate organisation from the European Union (EU).
Not to be confused with European Council.

The Council of Europe (French: Conseil de l'Europe) is one of the oldest international organisation working towards European integration, having been founded in 1949. It has a particular emphasis on legal standards, human rights, democratic development, the rule of law and cultural co-operation. It has 47 member states with some 800 million citizens.
Its statutory institutions are the Committee of Ministers comprising the foreign ministers of each member state, the Parliamentary Assembly composed of MPs from the Parliament of each member state, and the Secretary General heading the secretariat of the Council of Europe?.



Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe (PACE)
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parliamentary_Assembly_of_the_Council_of_Europe

The Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe (PACE) , which held its first session in Strasbourg on 10 August 1949, can be considered the oldest international parliamentary assembly with a pluralistic composition of democratically elected members of parliament established on the basis of an intergovernmental treaty. The Assembly is one of the two statutory organs of the Council of Europe, which is composed of the Committee of Ministers (the Ministers of Foreign Affairs, meeting usually at the level of their deputies) and the Assembly representing the political forces (majority and opposition) in its member states.

Unlike the European Parliament (an institution of the European Union), (?) its powers extend only to the ability to investigate, recommend and advise.
The Council of Europe (a non-EU organisation) is not to be confused with the European Council (the council of heads of state and government)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Council

or the Counsil of the European Union (officially the Council and commonly referred to as the Council of Ministers)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_of_the_European_Union
 
Re: Parlamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe (PACE) on 29 March 2010 ? SECOND public hearing: Swine Flu: 'the next time someone cries wolf on a pandemic, it will not be taken seriously'

I think that when we have a 'true' picture of the data - which the epidemiologists will arrive at a couple of years from now - governments will also need to assess thier own learning points from this pandemic, especially with regard to pandemic communications.

One of these may be that a desire to minimise numbers in order to avoid 'panic' can be counterproductive to the success of vaccination strategies and public support for pandemic mitigation measures. I think that rather than crying wolf, there has been a desire (and active measures by many governments) to do the opposite.

Thankfully this pandemic has been 'mild' to date, but not nearly as mild as many politicians and the public believe. A mortality rate of 5 x higher in those under 50 is not actually all that mild, but pandemic communications early on have focussed on the overall mortality rates and contrasted with seasonal years. The desire to downplay events may have been counterproductive to the long term goals of protecting populations. It is one thing to have vaccines and anti-virals and another thing altogether to persuade populations who have little trust of either governments or the pharma sector to take them.

This hearing is an extension of the sum of these problems IMHO.
 
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