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Pandemic threat-level market indicators

Binkerbear

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The three flu-related biotechs (NVAX, BCRX, and PPHM) that I watch were all up between 4 and 5 percent today. This was probably a reaction to the WHO admission of Indonesian h2h. Basically, the market (people who vote with their wallets) IMHO has determined that the threat level should now be raised a bit.
 
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These same three stocks have been plunging lately along with the price of gold. My take is that avian flu is, for now, a non-event among market participants.
 
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The market says that bird flu is not a threat but the slowing U.S. economy and the latest Middle East war are.
 
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GSK's Bird Flu Data Quell Vaccine Supply Fears
That headline yesterday apparently dropped NVAX and BCRX a whopping 10 percent today. Either there is no bird-flu threat or GSK (Glaxo Smith-Kline) is planning on supplying vaccine to the entire world.
 
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GSK is down a couple bucks since the news about its vaccine trials. Most bird flu stocks are at or near their 52-week lows. The market not only doesn't care about bird flu, I wonder if its tainted some of the companies trying to deal with it or profit from it.

Shrug.
 
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I also noticed that GSK has been down, even with positive news about a vaccine. It may be time to start watching these biotech stocks as leading indicators of impending bird flu. :)
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Last fall and into winter, NVAX and BCRX seemed like proxies on birdflu when they started heading up both peaking very early in '06. Now, they are both down around 50% from their highs. I don't think you can use GSK to measure a threat-level as it is into everything and flu is probably a minor concern. My question is: Has GSK ruined all prospects for these companies or is the market now totally ignoring the threat and is that a possible opportunity ? My gut says that if the threat reappears in the headlines that NVAX will quickly double, maybe triple.

Profiteering disclaimer: If I buy NVAX, I'm taking a huge risk on a small, risky biotech (ie, capitalism). Should it triple in a pandemic, that's great - I'll have one small win in a tidal wave of losses. My purchasing power (in dollars) will erode, my home's value will fall dramatically, jobs will end as well as access to healthcare, and the value of any assets will fall possibly to zero. I will still end up a huge loser. No way can this be considered profiteering.
 
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GSK's Bird Flu Data Quell Vaccine Supply Fears
Peter Kang, 07.26.06, 5:21 PM ET
GlaxoSmithKline announced today new clinical trial data for an experimental bird flu vaccine, which the British drug giant hopes will quell concerns of a potential shortage should a global pandemic break out.
GSK (nyse: GSK - news - people ) said its vaccine, which uses an adjuvant -- an agent that boosts the immune system and amplifies a drug's effectiveness -- demonstrated a high immune response at a very low dose of vaccine.
Interim results of a 400-patient trial in Belgium showed effectiveness in 80% of patients treated.
"This means that we could make very large quantities of the vaccine if needed for a flu pandemic and potentially greatly increase the number of individuals that could be vaccinated," a company spokeswoman said.
GSK said it plans to begin the process for regulatory approval "in the coming months," according to a release.
"Data from the GSK study should eliminate fears about the lack of adequate global vaccine capacity if an H5N1 pandemic occurs," wrote Ken Trbovich of RBC Capital Markets in a Wednesday report. "By our estimates GSK alone could produce enough of its H5N1 vaccine to inoculate one billion people."
The biotech analyst said the news does not bode well for many of the small biopharmaceutical companies working on their own treatments.
"The GSK data is a significant setback for Novavax and nearly all of the early stage companies that had hoped to parlay the fears of a pandemic into a robust vaccine business," he said.
However, Vinny Jindal, a biotechnology analyst with ThinkEquity Partners, said the news out of London is far from a panacea.
"It could definitely prevent substantial portions of people from ever contracting H5N1 but it would be a stretch to say it's a silver bullet for bird flu," Jindal said in an interview. "Novel treatments will be as crucial a part of our response to the avian flu as vaccines."
The analyst pointed out that avian flu patients treated with Roche's influenza treatment Tamiflu have the same mortality rate as those not treated. "New drugs will be needed to address patients that are already infected with H5N1 for whom the vaccines fail," he said.
A previous version of this story incorrectly cited Jason Kantor of RBC Capital Markets as the author of the report.
 
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Binkerbear said:
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Profiteering disclaimer: If I buy NVAX, I'm taking a huge risk on a small, risky biotech (ie, capitalism). Should it triple in a pandemic, that's great - I'll have one small win in a tidal wave of losses. My purchasing power (in dollars) will erode, my home's value will fall dramatically, jobs will end as well as access to healthcare, and the value of any assets will fall possibly to zero. I will still end up a huge loser. No way can this be considered profiteering.

I don't think you have to justify your position. Your stock choices are simply gambles on your perception of future events that may or may not happen.

Suppose for instance, that an H5N1 pandemic starts, and stocks tank in sectors such as Cruise Ships, Resort Chains, Non-gambling, entertainment destinations, Travel Agencies, Restaurants, Motion Picture Studios etc.
(http://www.flutrackers.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1496&postcount=10)
But I am a contrarian so I go long and buy as much as I can afford. And then, miraculously, an effective vaccine is developed, the CFR falls to .0001%, the stocks come back and I make a fortune. (Yeah, like that is going to happen :D )

Does that make me a profiteer from the pandemic? Absolutely, but no will criticize me. Why? Because few people died and not too many suffered. Since none of us know what the future holds with a pandemic, we can not be accused of being profiteers simply because we adjust our investment holdings to maximize our gains and preserve as much of our capital as possible in light of uncertain knowledge about future events.
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Absolutely, Al. That was a great explanation. I hope some may be swayed by it. It's the foundation of our system and it's what makes this country great. To me, it's no different than prepping with survival as the goal.
 
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Guys... i don't really get this moral anti-profiteering business. The idea of our system is to make a profit.

Can someone explain why it is bad to attempt to anticipate market moves, company moves and public perceptions to make a buck regardless of the "whys"?
 
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Good question. If we're all on the same page here then why did the "page" get removed for awhile. :D Anticipating market moves and making an investment based on it seems identical to anticipating bird flu and investing in food, water, and other supplies.
 
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Both NVAX and BCRX have started ticking up in the last few days after several months of decline. Now that bird flu is reappearing in the MSM, these stocks will be interesting to watch. As more bad news filters out, will prices continue up and will volume start showing steady increases day after day ?
Should these stocks ever spike up in price and volume with no related (company specific) news, I, for one, will go into this mode: :eek:
 
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I love having my own thread. :o Anyway, of note today: While NVAX was up a whopping 4 %, VRA was up almost 17 % and AVII was up an astounding 19 %. Most of the other flu biotechs were up today as well. [Disclaimer: I do not own these and monitor them only trying to determine the seriousness of a pandemic threat.]
 
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Binkerbear
So are you :eek: yet ?
I find these posts interesting. I do not own, nor will buy any these stocks or related genre.
C R
 
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"I love having my own thread."

Bink - You deserve your own thread.


Meanwhile:

US' growing insecurity about China

The US is in danger of succumbing to increased isolationism in its quest to stem the growing power of China and the Asia region itself.

By Eric Teo Chu Cheow (16/08/06)
During a recent visit to Washington DC and New York, I gave a series of lectures at think tanks and held discussions at the State Department. I wanted to understand how the United States would view and react to an “emerging Asia” and a rising China. I was particularly interested in getting an update on the American appraisal of the “China threat.” What follows are my personal observations and conclusions.
What I found feeding on the US psyche is a growing sense of insecurity which the “China threat” and America’s declining presence and role in Asia inevitably feeds into. It is not only a post- 11 September security threat, but a “threat” emanating from Asia (which is not the “China threat” alone): America’s inherent fears of being bypassed, excluded or surpassed in Asia are building up. An “emerging Asia” increases America’s post- 11 September psychosis, exemplifying and exaggerating America’s own insecurity.
In brief, America is growing insecure about its future and role, especially in an emerging Asia, a tendency that could result in a new phase of inner absorption, if not increasing isolationism.
A lot of this is rooted in internal political dynamics. President George W Bush’s administration is plagued by scandals and low popularity ratings. Support for Bush’s Iraqi policy had plunged to an all-time low; more than 2,500 US military servicemen have so far died in Iraq. The emotional debate over immigration seems to be dividing US society as well. This autumn, the Republicans may lose control over the House of Representatives (though the Senate appears secure), making Bush a lame-duck president. This political insecurity has set the stage for a crisis of confidence in US politics.
But more important, especially within the context of domestic political insecurity, is the realization of US weakness and vulnerability in economic competitiveness and financial clout when compared to an emerging Asia, and especially, a rising China and India.
In fact, the “China threat” (which has been plaguing the US psyche over the last few years) has probably shifted from a pure military or security threat to an economic-cum-financial one. Even if the threat syndrome has not really declined, it has metamorphosed as the US public is increasingly concerned about the economic and financial impact of a rising China; the US trade deficit with China has mushroomed to US$200 billion, and Washington registers its largest trade deficit with Beijing.
Job losses and rising unemployment are hitting the US hard, especially in the lead-up to mid-term elections. With Congress hard pressed to protect US jobs, one could expect the “China threat” to be played up in the months ahead, especially when President Bush’s political clout is low. The emotional debate over amnesty for illegal workers in the US and their role within the economy and society has created a real political dilemma for the Bush administration.
The renminbi debate will intensify as trade disputes escalate and creeping forms of protectionism appear, as illustrated by the Unocal-CNOOC and Dubai Port sagas. The financial dimension is also epitomized by the growing concern over imbalances as Americans discuss China amassing some US$900 billion in foreign reserves, bypassing those of Japan; moreover, at least a quarter is believed to be “locked” into US Treasury bonds, a formidable weapon in confrontational times, especially when Americans need some US$2 billion a day to sustain their economy and spending. As one academic reminded me, “America’s financial security is at risk.”
A senior researcher at Brookings asserted that the US would lose out if and when China becomes the center of Asian trade, as this would result in huge losses for the US financial center: every financial transaction of US$100 in international currency trading in the US results today in at least a US$3 commission for US banks. According to him, if China should become the center of trade in Asia, financial services could shift from the United States, resulting in net job losses for its financial services sector and make a decisive dent in US GDP, of which financial services constitute some 22 percent.
The US business and financial community’s concern is based on this premise, especially when the twin deficits in the US have hit an all-time high and are likely to continue to rise. Meanwhile, concerns are growing over how the US is becoming more dependent on China’s “financial largesse” in terms of the latter’s expanding international financial clout and the US Treasuries that Beijing buys. US concerns are magnified by the bursting of the housing bubble and rumors of further interest rate hikes, thanks to the current weak dollar.
Washington’s economic and financial worries are now crystallized around the “China syndrome,” but jobs and employment issues constitute the real basis for this threat perception. This is symptomatic of the US loss of economic competitiveness vis-a-vis China and Asia. But despite growing concerns about isolationism, America needs Asian trade and economic cooperation and vice versa. The US must therefore overcome its own insecurities in the longer term, even though drastic structural adjustments will not be easy for Washington to implement.


http://www.isn.ethz.ch/news/sw/details.cfm?ID=16532
 
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Binkerbear said:
I love having my own thread. :o Anyway, of note today: While NVAX was up a whopping 4 %, VRA was up almost 17 % and AVII was up an astounding 19 %. Most of the other flu biotechs were up today as well. [Disclaimer: I do not own these and monitor them only trying to determine the seriousness of a pandemic threat.]

Question. What is driving up these prices? I don't think FluTrackers members could produce that kind of spike. :)

And I doubt that many serious traders are following information presented here on the Garut cluster. Finally, I am not convinced that any of these biotechs have a sure-thing, inside-the-park home run with a H5N1 vaccine, even assuming they could produce it and distribute it in sufficient quantities.

Maybe it is readers following the advice of some second rate financial newsletter on profiting from the coming pandemic. :D
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A rising tide floats all boats.

Remember the internet bubble?

This is the next bubble...and it's thinly traded to boot. That means screamingly fast moves. If you know commodities, think lumber, cocoa and orange juice, and nickel. There will be corners and runs. This sector will become the wild west rather quickly, once that Garut REGIONAL cluster becomes "known".

I'm just focused on not making a killing; I just don't want to get killed. Gold and even gold stocks; silver and silver stocks... slow and steady. The headlines are frightening. The hedge funds are buying grade B and below bonds because they're chasing yields. The real estate market has locked in ALL the speculators; those who have weak hands are begging to be released at break even; boy are they in for a surprise.

The stock market, imo, is not big enough or liquid enough to absorb the flushing suction of dropping asset values in the R/E market. My expected scenario, tracking the collapse which will be the bird's boot on the neck as PI gets recognized for what it is, is R/E market implosions, expressed as regional implosions, starting in late Sept, early Oct of this year, and quickly, within a few months max, expanding nationwide. The towels will be flying as they're tossed in. Comfortably, I expect to see 25% declines against prior highs, and shocking 50% declines which will result in the biggest bankruptcies the US has ever seen; the multiplier effect will crash the economy as the housing and construction dependent employees find themselves 86'd and unemployable. R/E agents who hold their "profits" in their latest spec houses will start to eat their roofs as they'll have no income and alligators sucking funds.

(As an aside, today a close friend told me that their very close relative is close to being upside down on their house in the upper midwest; a 20% drop will wipe out all profits. The discussion was "should they walk away now, or wait?")

The exception will be the bird flu stocks, and gold and silver.

Deflation will not arrive in an orderly fashion. Jeremy said long ago, the bird flu economic news will be surprisingly abrupt. If you have not heeded his words in your thinking, you're one of "them" and not one of "us".

What I see is that the US and the West is playing "pretend" with their economic conditions and with pandemic flu. When the latter arrives, the former will simply collapse.

FYI, a dear friend is highly placed in one of the major US basic foods suppliers. For them, PF will arrive abruptly. Our basic foods from the million-plus acres they control will cease flowing. They've not plan #1 being either considered or in place. If there's a soul here who thinks that any canner who depends on fresh food from the farm can continue to produce food products during a pandemic, it's time for a serious rethink. Drop the illusionary glasses and think hard about what this will mean.

Stock prices will all be heading south big time, pulled by collapsing markets all around... except those offering "hope" and "security". There's no middle ground I can see.

Oh, I see I forgot to sign this little missive.

Gloomie...who smells blood and expects to gorge when the worst is upon us. (Again, fascinatingly, today's R/E conversation led to my friend salivating saying that the rich will take advantage of the 50% housing price declines; I smiled and felt good in my belief that those who act too quickly will get consumed as well. For me, this event is one of those economic vacuum events wherein the playing field for those who don't "get it" becomes flattened. It's economic Darwinism time, imo. My timeline for the flu posted at Flu Clinic in the Expert Opinion thread in the main room I think is dead on correct. I'm very hopeful that this "season" will close out without chaos, and the profits will be reaped, the economic hatches thereafter battened, and there may be enough time to both go on vacation again and continue to search for "economic life savers" for this ditty just now loading up at Indonesia station.
 
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has this
http://www.trendmacro.com/default2.asp
link been already mentioned ?

it has been going down since April,May and now for the first time seems to change again upwards.

I'm not sure, but the up-movements in that chart seem to
correlate with
1.) Bush's 7.1 billion$ request for panflu (of which senate finally approves about the half AFAIK
2) outbreak in Turkey
3) Webster's ABC-interview and some other alarming interviews and articles
4) the bird flu movie
 
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