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Officials ponder disconnecting ventilators from some patients in severe flu outbreak

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Officials ponder disconnecting ventilators from some patients in severe flu outbreak

Originally published September 23, 2009 at 7:14 PM | Page modified September 23, 2009 at 7:21 PM

With scant public input, state and federal officials are pushing ahead with plans that -- during a severe flu outbreak -- would deny use of scarce ventilators by some patients.

By Sheri Fink

With scant public input, state and federal officials are pushing ahead with plans that -- during a severe flu outbreak -- would deny use of scarce ventilators by some patients to assure they would be available for patients judged to benefit the most from them.

The plans have been drawn up to give doctors specific guidelines for extreme circumstances, and they include procedures under which patients who weren't improving would be removed from life support with or without permission of their families.

The plans are designed to go into effect if the U.S. were struck by a severe flu pandemic comparable to the 1918 outbreak
that killed an estimated 50 million people worldwide. State and federal health officials have concluded that such a pandemic would sicken far more people needing ventilators than could be treated by the available supplies.

Many of the draft guidelines, including those drawn up by the Veterans Health Administration, are based in part on a draft plan New York officials posted on a state web site two years ago and subsequently published in an academic journal. The New York protocol, which is still being finalized, also calls for hospitals to withhold ventilators from patients with serious chronic conditions such as kidney failure, cancers that have spread and have a poor prognosis, or "severe, irreversible neurological" conditions that are likely to be deadly.

New York officials are studying possible legal grounds under which the governor could suspend a state law that bars doctors from removing patients from life support without the express consent of the patient or his or her authorized health agent.

State and federal officials involved with drafting the plans say they have been disquieted by this summer's uproar over whether Medicare should pay for end-of-life consultations with families. They acknowledged that the measures under discussion go far beyond anything the public understands about how hospitals might handle a severe pandemic.

By every indication, state and federal officials expect to weather this year's flu season without having to ration ventilators. That assumes that the H1N1 virus will not mutate into a more serious killer, the vaccines against it and the other seasonal flus will continue to prove effective, and any dramatic surges in the number of patients in need of ventilators will occur in different parts of the U.S. at different times.


In recent months, New York officials have met three times with physicians, respiratory therapists and administrators to rehearse how their plan might play out in hospitals in a severe epidemic. In one of those "tabletop exercises," participants suggested that the names of triage officers charged with making life and death choices among patients at each hospital should be kept secret. The secrecy would be needed, participants said in interviews, to avoid pressure and blame from colleagues caring for patients who were selected to be taken off life support.

When they posted their plan on the web in coordination with a video conference in 2007, New York officials promised to solicit public input. Since then, they have consulted with medical and legal professionals and other experts, but few members of the general public, and the plan has remained unchanged. They declined to make the comments they have gathered immediately available for review, and those comments are not published on the Health Department's Web site.

In the initial proposal, officials called public review "an important component in fulfilling the ethical obligation to promote transparency and just guidelines."

The academic publication of the plan envisaged the use of focus groups to solicit comment from "a range of community members, including parents, older adults, people with disabilities, and communities of color." Those have not been held.

Beth Roxland, the current executive director of the New York State Task Force on Life and the Law, said the ethicists included in the state's planning process focused largely on vulnerable populations. "Even if we didn't have direct input from vulnerable populations," she said, "their interests have been well accounted for." Roxland said that public comment solicited when the ventilator plan was posted on the Health Department Web site was "sparse."


Dr. Guthrie Birkhead, Deputy Commissioner of the Office of Public Health for New York State said he wondered whether it was possible to get the public to accept the plans. "In the absence of an extreme emergency, I don't know. How do you even engage them to explain it to them?"

Even so, other states, hospital systems and the Veterans Health Administration--which has 153 medical centers across all states -- have drafted protocols that are based in part on New York's plan. The inclusion and exclusion criteria for access to ventilators, however, are different. For example, under the current drafts, a patient on dialysis would be considered for a ventilator in a VA hospital in New York during a severe pandemic, but not in another New York hospital that followed the State's plan, which excludes dialysis patients. The VA's exclusion criteria are looser because the patient population it is charged with serving is typically older and sicker than in other acute care hospitals. Different states, reflecting different values, have also established different criteria for who gets access to lifesaving resources.

The Institute of Medicine, an independent national advisory body, is expected to release a report on Thursday morning, at the request of the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, that will recommend broad guidelines to help guide planners crafting altered standards of care in emergencies. At an open meeting held to inform the report on Sept. 1, participants described successful public exercises related to allocating scarce resources in Utah and in a Centers for Disease Control and Prevention study conducted in Seattle.

Questions about how hospitals would handle massive demand for life support equipment arose when New York state health department officials ran exercises based on a scenarios involving H5N1 avian influenza.


"They kept running out of ventilators," said Dr. Tia Powell, director of the Montefiore-Einstein Center for Bioethics and former executive director of the New York State Task Force on Life and the Law, which was asked to address the problem. "They immediately recognized this is the worst thing we've ever imagined. What on earth are we going to do?"


Officials calculated that 18,000 additional New Yorkers would require ventilators in the peak week of a flu outbreak as deadly as the 1918 pandemic. Only a thousand machines would be available, the officials estimated. The state's acute care hospitals in 2005 had about 6000 ventilators, 85% of which were normally in use. A moderately severe pandemic would have resulted in a shortfall of 1256 ventilators, health officials found.

In 2006, New York planners convened a group of experts in disaster medicine, bioethics and public policy to come up with a response. After months of discussion, the group produced the system for allocating ventilators. They first recommended a number of ways that hospitals could stretch supply, for example by canceling all elective surgeries during a severe pandemic. The state has also since purchased and stockpiled 1700 Pulmonetic Systems LTV 1200 ventilators (Cardinal Health Inc., NYSE) -- enough to deal with a moderate pandemic but not one of 1918 scale.

Officials realized those two measures alone would not be enough to meet demand in a worst-case scenario. Ventilators were costly, required highly trained operators, and used oxygen, which could be limited in a disaster.

The group then drew up plans for rationing of ventilators. The goal, participants said, was to save as many lives as possible while adhering to an ethical framework. This represented a departure from the usual medical standard of care, which focuses on doing everything possible to save each individual life. Setting out guidelines in advance of a crisis was a way to avoid putting exhausted, stressed front line health professionals in the position of having to come up with criteria for making excruciating life and death decisions in the midst of a crisis, as many New Orleans health professionals had to do after Hurricane Katrina.

The group based its plans, in part, on a 2006 protocol developed by health officials in Ontario, Canada which relied on quantitative assessments of organ function to decide which patients would have preference for an intensive care unit bed. The tool, known as the Sequential Organ Failure Assessment (SOFA) score, is not designed to predict survival, and not validated for use in children, but the experts adopted it in light of the lack of an appropriate alternative triage system.

This summer, New York officials brought the state's plan to groups from several New York hospitals for the tabletop exercises. They met behind closed doors to assess how hospitals might implement the proposed measures if the H1N1 pandemic turned unexpectedly severe this fall. In the fictional scenario, paramedics were ordered not to place breathing tubes into patients until physicians "can assess whether they meet the criteria to be placed on a ventilator.''

Problems were immediately apparent. Dr. Kenneth Prager, a professor of medicine and director of clinical ethics at Columbia University Medical Center, was concerned about the lack of awareness of the plan among the larger public and the majority of the medical community. Societal input "is totally absent," he said. "Maybe society will say, 'We don't agree with your plan. You may think it's ethically OK; we don't.'"

The protocol, he said, would also place a great burden on clinicians charged with selecting which patients would be removed from life support. "We facetiously dubbed them the 'death squad' or the 'guys in the back room'," Prager said. He envisioned family members breaking down and screaming when they found out their loved ones would be disconnected from ventilators. "That's the horror show of it. It really is a nightmare."

Even so, he felt that the plan -- and its effort to save the greatest number of patients -- was ethically appropriate. "If we don't use triage, people will die who would have otherwise been saved," he said, because a number of ventilators are "being used to prolong the dying process of patients with virtually no chance of surviving."

Doctors at the exercises feared that they would be sued by angry patients if they followed the draft guidelines. "There's absolutely no legal backing for physicians," said Lauren Ferrante, a medical resident at Columbia University Medical Center. "Who's to say we're not going to get sued for malpractice?"

New York State law forbids doctors from removing living patients from ventilators or other life support except in cases where the patient has clearly stated such wishes, for example in a living will, or through his or her legal health care agent. Other sources of liability could come from federal and state anti-discrimination laws or claims of denial of due process.

New York officials said they were currently working out legal options for implementing the plans, such as gubernatorial emergency declarations or emergency legislation.

"You can take something today that's not necessarily active and overnight flip the switch and make it into something that has those teeth in it," said Dr. Powell, who served on the committee that drafted the plan.

Dr. Powell cautioned that it is critically important to maintain flexibility in the guidelines. Any rationing measures taken in a disaster must be calibrated to need and severity.

Some states, including Louisiana and Indiana, have adopted laws that immunize health professionals against civil lawsuits for their work in disasters. Other states, including Colorado, have drawn up a series of relevant executive orders that could be applied to address these issues.

Dr. Carl Schultz, a professor of emergency medicine at the University of California at Irvine and co-editor of the forthcoming textbook, Koenig and Schultz's Disaster Medicine (Cambridge University Press), is one of the few open critics of the establishment of altered standards of care for disasters. He says the idea "has both monetary and regulatory attractiveness" to governments and companies because it relieves them of having to strive to provide better care. "The problem with lowering the standard of care is where do you stop? How low do you go? If you don't want to put any more resources in disaster response, you keep lowering the standard."

Federal officials disagree. "Our goal is always to provide the highest standard of care under the circumstances," said RADM Ann Knebel , deputy director of preparedness and planning at the Office of the Assistant Secretary for Preparedness and Response, Department of Health and Human Services. "If you don't plan, then you are less likely to be able to reuse, reallocate and maximize the resources at your disposal, because you have people who've never thought about how they'd respond to those circumstances."
 
Re: Officials ponder disconnecting ventilators from some patients in severe flu outbreak

...The goal, participants said, was to save as many lives as possible while adhering to an ethical framework. This represented a departure from the usual medical standard of care, which focuses on doing everything possible to save each individual life. Setting out guidelines in advance of a crisis was a way to avoid putting exhausted, stressed front line health professionals in the position of having to come up with criteria for making excruciating life and death decisions in the midst of a crisis,...

I hope they get their legal ducks lined up prior to this situation.

What a terrible situation - even if you got more respirators, the trained personnel don't just materialize out of the woodwork.

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Re: Officials ponder disconnecting ventilators from some patients in severe flu outbreak

I was hoping for something better than what's being presented in this latest article...this could turn out so wrong, imo.

First of all,
In the initial proposal, officials called public review "an important component in fulfilling the ethical obligation to promote transparency and just guidelines."

The academic publication of the plan envisaged the use of focus groups to solicit comment from "a range of community members, including parents, older adults, people with disabilities, and communities of color." Those have not been held...With scant public input, state and federal officials are pushing ahead

My question here is how can they possibly make such important ethical decsions regarding public health with little or no public input?

State and federal officials involved with drafting the plans say they have been disquieted by this summer's uproar over whether Medicare should pay for end-of-life consultations with families. They acknowledged that the measures under discussion go far beyond anything the public understands about how hospitals might handle a severe pandemic.
Yes, the public didn't particularly like the death consultations idea; what makes state and fed officials think the public is going to accept their loved ones being denied life-saving measures?

In one of those "tabletop exercises," participants suggested that the names of triage officers charged with making life and death choices among patients at each hospital should be kept secret. The secrecy would be needed, participants said in interviews, to avoid pressure and blame from colleagues caring for patients who were selected to be taken off life support.
How will they decide who makes these choices? I just don't see how a hospital could have its staff can be in such disagreement (that the "death squads" have to keep their identities secret) and still function well under intense stress.

"Even if we didn't have direct input from vulnerable populations," she said, "their interests have been well accounted for." Roxland said that public comment solicited when the ventilator plan was posted on the Health Department Web site was "sparse."
What does the bolded comment comment mean? Does Roxland expect vulnerable populations to be frequenting the Health Department site seeking vent information?

... other states, hospital systems and the Veterans Health Administration... have drafted protocols that are based in part on New York's plan. The inclusion and exclusion criteria for access to ventilators, however, are different.
In order for this to be fair and just, there should be one federal set of guidelines that will to apply equally for everyone. Otherwise, those who have the means will be able to take their loved ones to whatever hospital has the most lax quidelines.

Dr. Guthrie Birkhead, Deputy Commissioner of the Office of Public Health for New York State said he wondered whether it was possible to get the public to accept the plans. "In the absence of an extreme emergency, I don't know. How do you even engage them to explain it to them?"
I'd like to offer Dr. Birkhead a suggestion. Starting as soon as you finalize your plans, begin informing the public of your plans. Whenever anyone is admitted to the hospital, make them sign a form stating they give the hospital permission to disconnect/deny ventilators in case the President declares a (whatever will trip the law). The criteria can be simply stated on the form, with hospital counseling for those who don't understand.

They can make every patient in the hospital sign the agreement; especially those who are already on vents. At the bottom of each form, there chould be a link to the Public Health site with a copy of the form and a Q&A section.

To keep this from the public is unforgivable, imo. I totally agree with Prager.
Prager...envisioned family members breaking down and screaming when they found out their loved ones would be disconnected from ventilators. "That's the horror show of it. It really is a nightmare."

My last comment: I wonder if they've considered how people will feel to know someone else's loved one was disconnected/refused a vent so that they could have it instead. I think this is a good time for people to think about their end-of-life wishes and put them in writing if they haven't already done so.
 
Re: Officials ponder disconnecting ventilators from some patients in severe flu outbreak

Officials ponder disconnecting ventilators from some patients in severe flu outbreak

Originally published September 23, 2009 at 7:14 PM | Page modified September 23, 2009 at 7:21 PM

With scant public input, state and federal officials are pushing ahead with plans that -- during a severe flu outbreak -- would deny use of scarce ventilators by some patients. (...)

Many of the draft guidelines, including those drawn up by the Veterans Health Administration, are based in part on a draft plan New York officials posted on a state web site two years ago and subsequently published in an academic journal. The New York protocol, which is still being finalized, also calls for hospitals to withhold ventilators from patients with serious chronic conditions such as kidney failure, cancers that have spread and have a poor prognosis, or "severe, irreversible neurological" conditions that are likely to be deadly.
(...)



Questions about how hospitals would handle massive demand for life support equipment arose when New York state health department officials ran exercises based on a scenarios involving H5N1 avian influenza.


"They kept running out of ventilators," said Dr. Tia Powell, director of the Montefiore-Einstein Center for Bioethics and former executive director of the New York State Task Force on Life and the Law, which was asked to address the problem. "They immediately recognized this is the worst thing we've ever imagined. What on earth are we going to do?"

(...)



Problems were immediately apparent. Dr. Kenneth Prager, a professor of medicine and director of clinical ethics at Columbia University Medical Center, was concerned about the lack of awareness of the plan among the larger public and the majority of the medical community. (...)

The protocol, he said, would also place a great burden on clinicians charged with selecting which patients would be removed from life support. "We facetiously dubbed them the 'death squad' or the 'guys in the back room'," Prager said. He envisioned family members breaking down and screaming when they found out their loved ones would be disconnected from ventilators. "That's the horror show of it. It really is a nightmare."
(...)


comment of mine:

Yes, "It really IS a nightmare."


Related threads:
HHS sets pandemic priority list for life-saving treatment
http://www.flutrackers.com/forum/showthread.php?t=126432

Medical care, under dire circumstances
http://www.flutrackers.com/forum/sho...d.php?t=117829

Allocation of Ventilators in a Public Health Disaster
http://www.flutrackers.com/forum/showthread.php?t=61803
(excellent summary by mixin posts # 2 ? 4)

additional link:
http://www.health.state.ny.us/diseas...c/ventilators/




Doctors and HCW,
see posts # 24 and 25: Medical care, under dire circumstances

http://www.flutrackers.com/forum/sho...d.php?t=117829

Quote #18:
"To allocate ventilators, beds and intensive-care equipment doctors would have to 'score' patients on their health and prognosis as well as seriousness of their conditions.

Quote post # 24 (Originally Posted by tropical): :applause:

God and ...

Doctors would NOT have!

This is an twisted brainwashing advice from weak health chains, who have no willingness to drag more money for lifeboat issues!

Doctors would have to push the system to get all the needed equipment and staff - not the oposite.


Quote post # 25 (mine):

Doctors would NOT have!

Yes, that's it.

tropical, thank you for your wake up call !
 
Re: Officials ponder disconnecting ventilators from some patients in severe flu outbreak

11/2005: Survey developed by DOHMH
?12/2005 ?01/2006: Survey sent to 68 hospital EP Coordinators
?01/2006: Data reviewed and approved by hospital Directors of Respiratory Therapy
?01/2006: Data clarified and tabulated

65 hospital units analyzed in survey, which represents ALL acute care hospitals in New York City
?Data from 2 hospitals reported as part of other hospitals?data
?1 hospital excluded from analysis (hospice)

Full-Featured Ventilators?Adult/Pediatric 1,857
Full-Featured Ventilators -Adult-Only 578
Full-Featured Ventilators -Neonatal Only 276
Total Full-Featured Ventilators 2,711
Portable Ventilators 186
Automatic Resuscitators 614
Anaesthesia Machines (N = 62) 790
Source: 12/2005 -01/2006 NYC DOHMH Survey of Ventilator/Staff Capacity

http://www.nyc.gov/html/doh/downloads/pdf/bhpp/bhpp-archive-20060202-pres08.pdf

The above report shows New York City figures for 2006. Total about half of the first post in this thread.
Officials calculated that 18,000 additional New Yorkers would require ventilators in the peak week of a flu outbreak as deadly as the 1918 pandemic. Only a thousand machines would be available, the officials estimated. The state's acute care hospitals in 2005 had about 6000 ventilators, 85% of which were normally in use. A moderately severe pandemic would have resulted in a shortfall of 1256 ventilators, health officials found.
 
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I don't know anything about American healthcare, but I would think decisions like this are routinely made re ICU beds, let alone in an epidemic. We can't always have millions of spare beds sitting empty ready to just wheel them forward complete with trained staff at little notice. Sad choices are always having to be made.
 
Re: Officials ponder disconnecting ventilators from some patients in severe flu outbreak

It might be worse than their predictions if there are only half the number of ventilators they are saying they have. Once one figure is skewed the rest don't make any sense!
 
Re: Officials ponder disconnecting ventilators from some patients in severe flu outbreak

I don't know anything about American healthcare, but I would think decisions like this are routinely made re ICU beds, let alone in an epidemic. We can't always have millions of spare beds sitting empty ready to just wheel them forward complete with trained staff at little notice. Sad choices are always having to be made.

"Sad choices"? I can barely describe the anguish most people go through when they have to disconnect a loved one, even when they're convinced there is no hope.

If denial/disconnection without permission of the patient (or the person authorized to make such a decision) is being routinely made in the US, I'm not aware of it. Do they do that in Scotland?

And while we're worrying about vents and care, we should also be giving some thought to how many patients have needed extracorporeal membrane oxygenation (ECMO).
 
Re: Officials ponder disconnecting ventilators from some patients in severe flu outbreak

I'm sorry, I picked this up wrong. I was talking more about the hard choices to be made of too many patients to go into too few ICU beds ... not taking them off once they are on them. I didnt read it properly :oops:
 
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Hmmmm....with Healthcare Reform all over the news these days....the topic of illegals and their receiving coverage is a rather heated issue....

I wonder if the NY Plans address the issue of removing a less healthy US citizen from a vent for a healthier illegal....
 
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From the Canadian Medical Association

Critical care doctors want escalated pandemic planning
<hr style="background-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); color: rgb(204, 204, 204);" size="1"> Laura Eggertson September 1, 2009

Critical care physicians are calling on Canada to "substantially" escalate its response to pandemic (H1N1) 2009, in preparation for a second wave of the influenza that is likely to cause severe lung injuries in a subset of patients and could exceed the capacity of the country?s intensive care units.

"It?s exceedingly likely that come the late summer, early fall, there is going to be much more H1N1-A and the absolute number of patients are going to be a lot higher. It may very well exceed our capacity and our plan to care for them," says Dr. Rob Fowler, a critical care physician at Sunnybrook Hospital in Toronto, Ontario. "Our response needs to be escalated substantially more than we?re doing right now."

Fowler, a member of the Canadian Critical Care Trials Group, is gathering case descriptions of critically ill patients in ICUs across the country. His report will describe the patients? clinical presentation, treatment challenges and outcomes. About half the patients whose data Fowler and colleague Dr. Anand Kumar have collected were treated in Manitoba. Quebec, Ontario and Alberta have seen the next largest concentrations of critically ill patients. In addition, Fowler has access to data from Mexico?s critical care group. The picture emerging from Mexico is of an influenza that largely affects people aged 10?55, with a core group of patients typically in their 40s who have developed acute lung injuries and hypoxic respiratory failure.

"We?re seeing a very similar thing, and in a subset of patients, severe lung injury requiring extraordinary support in intensive care, with means to oxygenate that a lot of the world doesn?t have, and is in limited supply in Canada," Fowler says.

These patients have required aggressive and unconventional means of oxygenation, often staying on ventilators for weeks at a time, says Kumar, who describes many of the Winnipeg patients he treated as "the most difficult patients in terms of ventilator management that I?ve ever seen in my 20 years of practice."

"To a great extent, among adults, this is an ICU disease," Kumar notes. Many of those who were admitted needed high-frequency oscillatory ventilation ? a jet-like ventilation that oscillates oxygen into patients at the rate of 300 times a minute or more. This therapy also requires nitrous oxide and airway pressure relief, as well as other advanced ventilation techniques, he adds. About half a dozen Canadian patients also had to be placed on heart-lung bypass machines to give them extra-corporeal membrane oxygenation or likely would have died.

Most hospitals in Canada do not have oscillating ventilators, and there are only a few centres that can do heart-lung bypass. That has left critical care physicians concerned about the country?s readiness if a second pandemic (H1N1) 2009 wave hits in the fall.

"I don?t think that everybody realizes that the pandemic stores, the emergency store of ventilators that a lot of people are depending upon in case of emergency, simply aren?t advanced enough to take care of these patients," says Kumar.

Ventilators made more than 15 years ago and those routinely used in emergency rooms aren?t advanced enough for this type of therapy, he adds. However, older ventilators may be useful for the less severely injured.

In a written response to CMAJ questions, the Public Health Agency of Canada (PHAC) confirmed that of the additional 370 ventilators it is trying to purchase as part of its National Emergency Stockpile System, none are oscillating ventilators. PHAC does not have a stockpile of heart-lung bypass machines.

Nurses and respiratory technologists will be as critical if Canadian hospitals see even 3.5 times more cases of pandemic (H1N1) 2009 patients with lung injuries in a second wave ? and that is a conservative estimate, says Dr. Allison McGeer, director of infection control at Toronto?s Mount Sinai Hospital. Like Kumar and Fowler, she is concerned that ICUs may become the choke point in the health care system come fall.

Unlike ICUs in the United States, which routinely keep some beds empty and ventilators free, Canadian units normally run at 90%?95% full ?sometimes more, with patients waiting in emergency before being admitted. "It?s very efficient from a systems point of view, but it means we have no surge capacity in our ICUs in Canada," says McGeer. Even so, "I am less worried about the ventilator supplies than I am about the staff resources to care for them," she adds.

Hospitals should also be stockpiling sedatives, paralytics and antibiotics, because the ventilated patients with pandemic (H1N1) 2009 often require "massive" sedation.

Administrators should also be making plans to designate staff to make tough triage choices, Kumar says. "The idea of, how you triage 2 young people to a single ventilator ? that?s a very difficult issue."

Fowler is also worried that Canadian hospitals will have to limit resources to people who are very sick because of inadequate capacity. "That?s a position we haven?t found ourselves in throughout the history of medicare in Canada."

With each province and region developing its own pandemic plan, the Canadian Critical Care Society is concerned that "from a national perspective, there?s no coordinated effort to help with resource utilization and sharing that sort of resource planning," says Dr. John Granton, a Toronto ICU physician and the Society?s president.

Pandemic planning has largely been devoted to securing a vaccine and rolling out immunization, but federal oversight is needed to ensure provincial licensing requirements are waived and malpractice insurance is extended so that, if necessary, health care professionals and medical equipment can be shared between jurisdictions, Granton says.

http://www.cmaj.ca/cgi/content/full/181/5/253
 
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