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Officials discuss animal die-off response

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Sent an email to the reporter and will let you know if she responds.

SpiritWild - Wildlife Center
Sandie Elliott, Managing Director


http://www.spiritwild.org/

This is the person who wanted the avian testing completed.
 
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PonyGirl said:
Low path doesnt cause death..theyve said it a million times. .......

However it can cause illness in humans, and I suppose an opportunity for mutation to a more mammalian adapted infuenza.

For human illness from low path, the Fraser Valley, BC cases are a recent example. see (among many reports):http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0GVK/is_12_10/ai_n8592195/pg_1

Also http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=abstract&list_uids=15663859

Genome sequences of chicken (low pathogenic avian influenza [LPAI] and highly pathogenic avian influenza [HPAI]) and human isolates from a 2004 outbreak of H7N3 avian influenza in Canada showed a novel insertion in the HA0 cleavage site of the human and HPAI isolate. This insertion likely occurred by recombination between the hemagglutination and matrix genes in the LPAI virus.

from http://www.cdc.gov/flu/avian/gen-info/flu-viruses.htm...

Human illness due to infection with LPAI viruses has been documented, including very mild symptoms (e.g., conjunctivitis) to influenza-like illness. Examples of LPAI viruses that have infected humans include H7N7, H9N2, and H7N2.


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Also noteworthy, this information was never released to the media via the USDA as were the previous cases of "low path".

Example:


The bird samples were collected on Sept. 24 in the Rice Lake Conservation Area of Fulton County, Illinois, through a partnership between USDA and the Illinois Department of Natural Resources as part of an expanded wild bird monitoring program. USDA and DOI are working collaboratively with states to sample wild birds throughout the U.S. for the presence of highly pathogenic avian influenza (HPAI).

These samples were collected on 9/24 and the results were reported 9/29.

In the CA case:
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The City Council will soon discuss banning any feeding of ducks or waterfowl at Library Park. This comes after another dead duck was found last weekend at Library Park and one of the ducks tested previously by the California Department of Fish and Game has tested positive for H5 avian influenza.

An e-mail sent Sept. 11 from SpiritWild's Sandie Elliott to Buckman said, "If the lab would have listened to me on Aug. 14 when I suspected LPAI (low pathogenic avian influenza) preceding the botulism, we could have done lots of testing. I believe the topic of a program outline is soon to be a subject that the board of supervisors will be demanding." Elliott added, "It's about time."

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Initially birds were dying around 8/14. Tests were conducted and revealed h5 at some point and results were not reported. More ducks die and the City Council is trying to ban feeding water fowl.
 
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.....City Council will soon discuss banning any feeding of ducks or waterfowl at Library Park.....

I agree with Sonny - folks around the country are tired of bird droppings in places used by high human populations.

When giving my bird talks, as soon as I bring up the Canada Goose, almost everyone indicates their frustration with the impact of apparent overpopulation. Of course, it's largely because humans have created the perfect goose/duck habitat - well fertilized grasses with bodies of water nearby. But some species have been overpopoulated. I believe the Snow Goose is one - destroying their own habitat.

There are strategies for relocating these birds, but not creating favorable conditions (including feeding) tops the list of deterrents.

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The City Council is likely aware of the h5 positive testing and that ducks have died there.

The article is entitled : "Officials discuss animal die-off response"
and goes on to say "The City Council will soon discuss banning any feeding of ducks or waterfowl at Library Park. This comes after another dead duck was found last weekend at Library Park and one of the ducks tested previously by the California Department of Fish and Game has tested positive for H5 avian influenza

IMHO don't think this has a lot to do with people being sick of bird droppings. They seem more concerned for public safety. That would follow a normal, logical thought process.
 
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PonyGirl said:
Also noteworthy, this information was never released to the media via the USDA as were the previous cases of "low path".

Example:

The bird samples were collected on Sept. 24 in the Rice Lake Conservation Area of Fulton County, Illinois, through a partnership between USDA and the Illinois Department of Natural Resources as part of an expanded wild bird monitoring program. USDA and DOI are working collaboratively with states to sample wild birds throughout the U.S. for the presence of highly pathogenic avian influenza (HPAI).

These samples were collected on 9/24 and the results were reported 9/29.

In the CA case:
<SNIP>

The City Council will soon discuss banning any feeding of ducks or waterfowl at Library Park. This comes after another dead duck was found last weekend at Library Park and one of the ducks tested previously by the California Department of Fish and Game has tested positive for H5 avian influenza.

An e-mail sent Sept. 11 from SpiritWild's Sandie Elliott to Buckman said, "If the lab would have listened to me on Aug. 14 when I suspected LPAI (low pathogenic avian influenza) preceding the botulism, we could have done lots of testing. I believe the topic of a program outline is soon to be a subject that the board of supervisors will be demanding." Elliott added, "It's about time."

</SNIP>

Initially birds were dying around 8/14. Tests were conducted and revealed h5 at some point and results were not reported. More ducks die and the City Council is trying to ban feeding water fowl.

On SpiritWild's website it also says that no dead ducks have been found since September 3rd. This contradicts the above news report. We can speculate all we want, but we will not know anything until Monday when I can get some state officials on the phone. I have not heard from the editor or the reporter of the original story in post one.

"The Avian Botulism outbreak that has plagued the area of Library Park in Lakeport seems to have run its course. No sick or dead waterfowl has been found in the area since September 3rd.
The area will still be monitored because avian diseases can come in waves, however, the cooler weather will help with the dissolved oxygen levels in the lake water and usually signals the end of the annual botulism outbreaks in the area.
Approximately 50 ducks died during this outbreak which is considered very, very, small."

http://www.spiritwild.org/
 
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Saw that written about the last die off.

My interpretation is this is a new duck that has died around the time of the writing of the article and people are concerned with the death being in an area with ducks already h5 positive.
 
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I can not assume the timing of that posting on the website. It is there now. I am going with the facts, of which, I have little. :eek:
 
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IMHO don't think this has a lot to do with people being sick of bird droppings. They seem more concerned for public safety. That would follow a normal, logical thought process.


Probably both - just imagine how many of our regulations will need to change when HPAI is carried by birds that frequent public places.....they will become "the enemy."

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This comes after another dead duck was found last weekend at Library Park


Most recent duck death was between 9/17-9/23.
This news report may be a good source for supporting factual content as they have to verify before they print.

The Spirit Wild is Lake County's Wildlife Rescue & Rehabilitation Center and am not sure what their role would be in documenting these type of events.
 
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PonyGirl said:
This comes after another dead duck was found last weekend at Library Park


Most recent duck death was between 9/17-9/23.
This news report may be a good source for supporting factual content as they have to verify before they print.

The Spirit Wild is Lake County's Wildlife Rescue & Rehabilitation Center and am not sure what their role would be in documenting these type of events.

Clearly there are inconsistencies here. If there is one, there may be more. That is the implication. We will know something on Monday.
 
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Probably both - just imagine how many of our regulations will need to change when HPAI is carried by birds that frequent public places.....they will become "the enemy."

Understand and live in a rural area and my property borders a man made duck pond frequented by migratory birds. Its like an accident waiting to happen. Same neighbor is raising chickens there. Am esp concerned for my animals who are confined from them but are in relative proximity.
 
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FWIW, I did a google search for Lakeport + H5N1. I got two results. One is above article dated today. The other reads as follows:

No one's in charge ... that's the problem
Lake County Record-Bee, CA - Aug 29, 2006
... death of approximately a dozen wild ducks at Library Park in Lakeport is nothing new. ... if the ducks had actually died from the feared avian flu H5N1, then there ...

When I clicked this link to go to the article, the Lake County Record-Bee.com site indicated: "The content item you have requested is no longer available."

I dug around the site a bit and could find anything further and this is too new for the wayback machine.
 
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Good reasons to not feed waterfowl.

http://tinyurl.com/k6qwr

Duck/goose treats aren't good for them, nor are they good for the environment. Could actually make waterfowl more susceptible to avian flu.

It's one of those things that birdwatcher people know, like people here know about bird flu. Something that seems really harmless and is enjoyed by many people is really not a good idea. As hard as it is to get people to prepare for something they never want to happen (pandemic,) even harder to get them to stop doing something they love to do with the grandkids!
 
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Our feathered friends are certainly just beginning a period of extreme hardship. If it's not bird flu, then it's habitat destruction, global warming and it's many impacts, pollution, etc. I'm always encouraged by remembering the have a long history of adaptation. But past onslaughts may have been fewer at one time and slower. Today, on NPR they said that the Sandhill Crane has been adapting to various changes for 9 million years! Just imagine - millions of years to adapt to influenza - no wonder they can be asymptomatic carriers.

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More on warm-weather botulism...

http://www.jdnews.com/SiteProcessor.cfm?Template=/GlobalTemplates/Details.cfm&StoryID=45271&Section=News

Everything is just ducky
October 01,2006
ROSELEE PAPANDREA
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DAILY NEWS STAFF

HUBERT ? Toni O?Neil wasn?t so sure that many of the 30 ducklings rescued from downtown Swansboro two months ago would survive a day.

But after vigilant care at Possumwood Acres Wildlife Sanctuary in Hubert where O?Neil, a wildlife rehabilitator, works to bring sick or abandoned creatures back to life, 15 of the 30 ducklings not only survived but thrived.
On Saturday, the young Muscovy ducks were ready for the next phase of their lives, and two families were eager to provide homes.

A 3-acre pond already stocked with fish, turtles and plenty of visits from wildlife seemed like the perfect spot for nine of the ducks, and John and Ann Carson of Hubert couldn?t wait to bring them home. Shirley Ballantine, who lives on Old 30 Road in the Jacksonville area, added six to her two ponds.

The three adult Muscovy ducks that survived will remain at Possumwood Acres.

When O?Neil took in the ducklings in late July, she never intended to return them to downtown Swansboro. At the time, she wasn?t certain what caused many of the ducks that roamed freely in the town?s waterfront area to die.

Officials with the N.C. Department of Agriculture said Friday that botulinum toxin type C ? a type of botulism found in birds ? was the culprit, said Brian Long, spokesman for the Department of Agriculture.

The finding didn?t surprise O?Neil but after treating the ducks, including the many that didn?t make it, she is still convinced that more than botulism is to blame.

?We had ducklings running around and eating,? O?Neil said. ?They were fine and then in an hour they were dead.?

She thinks they were also poisoned.

?I think some of them got a double whammy,? O?Neil said. ?You can get botulism and live. I think they were already weakened and succumbed to the botulism or the other way around.?

Dr. Mary Ann McBride, the assistant state veteran with the N.C. Department of Agriculture?s veterinary division, said the bacteria that causes botulism is everywhere and it?s not unusual to see it grow in hot months.

?When it gets into stagnant water or a low-oxygen environment, it grows rapidly,? she said. ?It takes very little toxin to kill water fowl.?
State officials were called to Swansboro after more than 10 adult ducks and at least 25 ducklings were found dead. Samples were taken and a necropsy ? an animal autopsy ? was done on one of the dead birds. McBride knew it wasn?t bird flu immediately, but the exact cause of death was more difficult to determine.

Samples were sent to a lab out of state and the results were in Friday. While people who care for the ducks need to be sure water and food supplies are always fresh, McBride said, this form of botulism won?t hurt humans.

?This is not a public health risk,? she said.

Tests don?t indicate that the ducks were poisoned. A common term for what the ducks had is ?limber neck,? McBride said.

?Typically when we see this, they can?t hold their heads up,? McBride said. ?They undergo a form of paralysis because they can?t control their muscles. Some were able to pull through this because they didn?t get a lethal dose.?
Officials in Swansboro are planning to take a few steps in an effort to prevent a situation like this from happening again, said Swansboro police Chief Ed Parrish.

?We plan to formulate some sort of education flier and get that out to individuals who may be involved with the ducks,? he said. He?s also going to get officers to check the areas were the ducks congregate.

?We will be on the lookout for spoiled food and unsanitary conditions that might cause problems,? Parrish said. ?We will attempt to monitor and address the issues as they might arise.?

O?Neil is grateful that she won?t have to worry about the brood that was adopted Saturday.
?I want these guys to have a good life where we don?t have to worry about anything happening to them,? she said.

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Florida1 said:
Clearly there are inconsistencies here. If there is one, there may be more. That is the implication. We will know something on Monday.

I don't see any inconsistancies. Over the summer there was a duck die off (maybe 50 ducks). The diagnosis was botulism. Now there is a least one more (but probably more) who died in late September. I suspect the H5 is from the more recent case.

USDA hasn't said anything on these birds, at least not recently.

H5 in a dead duck is not a good indicator. The earlier die off involved bent neck.
 
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Niko said:
FWIW, I did a google search for Lakeport + H5N1. I got two results. One is above article dated today. The other reads as follows:



When I clicked this link to go to the article, the Lake County Record-Bee.com site indicated: "The content item you have requested is no longer available."

I dug around the site a bit and could find anything further and this is too new for the wayback machine.

Bits and pieces can be obtained via various searches. This one suggests that the H5 was not from the August outbreak, but from the current outrbreak of one or more dead ducks (which has not been linked to botulism):
 
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It looks like earlier story is available for a fee


<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="90%" align=center border=0><TBODY><TR><TD>[FONT=Arial,Helvetica][SIZE=+1]Understanding the duck deaths[/SIZE][/FONT] </TD></TR><TR><TD bgColor=#ffffff height=6>
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</TD></TR><TR><TD><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="90%" align=center border=0><TBODY><TR><TD>[FONT=Arial,Helvetica][SIZE=-1]Author: From staff reports
Date: September 2, 2006
Publication: Lake County Record Bee (Lakeport, CA)
[/SIZE][/FONT]</TD></TR><TR><TD>[FONT=Arial,Helvetica][SIZE=-1]Cynthia Davis -- Record-Bee staff LAKEPORT -- The city of Lakeport's new Web site currently lists "Dead Birds at Library Park" under the category of Hot Topics for residents.
It's an apt description at a time when the heat is on the city and county to quickly respond to dead or dying ducks in the city's centerpiece park.
The waterfowl are believed to be affected by avian botulism, but the actual cause may never be known for........... [/SIZE][/FONT]</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
 
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