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Obese Exposed as Swine Flu Collides With Fat Epidemic

Sally Furniss

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Obese Exposed as Swine Flu Collides With Fat Epidemic (Update1)

By Jason Gale

July 10 (Bloomberg) -- An unexpected characteristic has emerged among many swine flu victims who become severely ill: They are fat.

Doctors tracking the pandemic say they see a pattern in hospital reports from Glasgow to Melbourne and from Santiago to New York. People infected with the bug who have a body mass index greater than 40, deemed morbidly obese, suffer respiratory complications that are harder to treat and can be fatal.

With the new virus on a collision course with the obesity epidemic, the World Health Organization says it’s gathering statistics to confirm and understand this development. Drugmaker Roche Holding AG is combing through studies to determine whether heavier people should get bigger doses of its Tamiflu antiviral.

“Morbid obesity is one of the most common findings turning up in severely ill patients,” said Nikki Shindo, who is leading the investigation of swine flu patients at the WHO in Geneva. “It’s a huge problem.”

In Canada’s Manitoba province, three out of five people treated for the new flu strain in intensive care units are obese, said Ethan Rubenstein, head of infectious diseases at the University of Manitoba in Winnipeg. Patients with flu symptoms should be considered at risk of complications if they carry excess weight, according to Rubenstein.

So far, the evidence is anecdotal. No global or national data have been reported. Scotland, where deep-fried foods such as Mars bars and pizzas contribute to the highest obesity rate in Europe, reported the continent’s first two deaths from H1N1 and has experienced a fifth of the region’s fatalities.

Growing Trend

“We do seem to have more than our fair share of people in intensive care,” said Hugh Pennington, 71, emeritus professor of bacteriology at the University of Aberdeen. “When the dust has settled, people will look at that.”

No deaths or severely ill patients have been recorded from among the 2,146 laboratory-confirmed cases in Japan, said Yasuyuki Abe, a health ministry spokesman in Tokyo. Only 1.6 percent of adults in Japan are obese, according to the WHO.

“You don’t have to go to Scotland or Japan to figure this out,” said Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases in Bethesda, Maryland. “About 75 percent of patients have underlying conditions, and clearly obesity stands out as a statistically significant factor involved in the seriousness of the disease.”

‘Shake Out’

It’s the first time that the prominence of obesity has been noticed among severely ill flu sufferers, Fauci said in an interview yesterday. “It’s very likely that if we went back retrospectively and looked at people who did poorly during seasonal flu, what would shake out is that obesity would be one of the risks,” he said.

Researchers at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in Atlanta noted the association among Californian H1N1 patients in a May 22 report. The agency is investigating whether overweight people need different antiviral treatment or flu vaccinations. Last year, 26.1 percent of adults in the U.S. were obese, up from 25.6 percent in 2007, the CDC said in a July 8 statement.

“We were surprised by the frequency of obesity among the severe cases that we’ve been tracking,” Anne Schuchat, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases, told reporters on May 19. “If there truly is an increased risk of severe complications on obese patients, it would be important to take steps to attend to that.”

Suffocating

The bug is reported to have killed 429 people worldwide since its discovery in the U.S. and Mexico in April. The infection, which has now spread as far as New Zealand and Norway, causes little more than a fever and cough in most cases. The majority of those who died were pregnant, had asthma, diabetes or other chronic diseases, according to the WHO.

Drugmakers including Sanofi-Aventis SA, GlaxoSmithKline Plc and Novartis AG are preparing vaccines to have them ready by the time the weather turns colder in the Northern Hemisphere later this year.

Some patients are showing up at hospitals with viral pneumonia so severe they are suffocating.

The first two people to die from the bug in Peru -- a 38- year-old woman and a 4-year-old girl from impoverished areas on the outskirts of Lima -- were both obese, El Peruano newspaper reported on July 6.

Shallow Breaths

Scientists don’t yet know whether extremely overweight people get sicker because of associated conditions like heart disease and asthma, or whether the excess fat itself makes them more vulnerable. Both may be to blame.

Fat cells secrete chemicals that cause chronic, low-level inflammation that can hamper the body’s immune response and narrow the airways, says Tim Armstrong, a doctor working in the WHO’s chronic diseases department in Geneva.

What’s more, excess fatty tissue compresses the chest, and the fatty infiltration of the chest wall causes a decrease in lung function and an increase in the pulmonary blood volume, Armstrong said. “If you are obese, you tend to be less physically active and have an associated shallower breathing pattern. All these compound, leading to breathing difficulties.”

The morbidly obese are also more likely to experience insulin resistance, a condition that makes it harder for doctors to lower the level of sugar in the blood of critically ill patients, said Greet Van den Berghe, head of acute medical sciences at Belgium’s Catholic University of Leuven.

Studies in Mice


“The question has always been, is it the obesity or the other problems?” said Melinda Beck, professor of nutrition at the University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill. “There haven’t been studies that looked just at weight. In my research, it appears to be the obesity itself.”

In mouse studies, flu killed about half of the rodents made obese by a high-fat diet, compared with a mortality rate of about 4 percent in lean animals, according to Beck’s research. She is studying whether obese humans might need stronger doses of vaccine or a different method of delivery.

Of the first 32 people who died from swine flu in New York City, three-quarters had one or more underlying medical conditions, most often diabetes and heart disease, said Isaac B. Weisfuse, deputy commissioner of disease control at the city’s Department of Health and Mental Hygiene. Of seven with no known medical condition, at least four were reported to be obese, Weisfuse said.

The city plans to look at how many of the 32 patients were obese, Weisfuse said in a July 6 presentation to the European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control in Stockholm.

No Smoking


People may reduce their risk of developing complications from swine flu -- as well as many other diseases -- by maintaining a healthy weight, quitting smoking, exercising regularly and moderating alcohol intake, said Frederick Hayden, a clinical virologist at the University of Virginia.

Obesity rates have tripled in the U.S., U.K. and Australia during the past three decades, according to the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development. The ranks of the overweight are also swelling in the developing world. In China, obesity doubled among women and tripled in men between 1989 and 2000 and it may double again in 20 years, according to research released last year in the journal Health Affairs.

Studies are needed to better understand the immune response of obese people and determine whether excess body weight impairs their ability to fight the infection, said Pamela Fraker, a professor of biochemistry at Michigan State University.

“It’s sort of strange that it’s been neglected with this major population,” Fraker said. “We need to know about this for the further care and protection of the growing number of obese we have and for society in general.”

To contact the reporters on this story: Jason Gale in Singapore at j.gale@bloomberg.net
Last Updated: July 9, 2009 20:44 EDT

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601124&sid=aM.7Dg3Z_msI
 
Re: Obese Exposed as Swine Flu Collides With Fat Epidemic

Since were talking anecdotal evidence, I can't help but point out that in 1918 there were tens of thousands of young, fit, non-obese young men in military training camps, and on troop ships that were decimated by influenza.

If obesity is a risk factor, and there is an epidemic of obesity, and the vast majority of cases are mild, then a larger corresponding number of obese individuals are not experiencing complications.

Me thinks science and public health are a bit embarrassed at their ignorance and impotence in the face of this virus.

More 'pre-existing conditions' masquerading as answers...

Snick
 
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Re: Mom details health of daughter who died of the swine flu virus
Considering so many people in the US are overweight or obese;

Quote:
Overweight Prevalence

(Data are for the U.S.)
* Percent of noninstitutionalized adults age 20 years and over who are overweight or obese: 66%
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/overwt.htm

They are actually under represented in H1N1 fatalities;
Quote:
and obesity was reported in 27 percent of the patients, he said.
From thread:http://www.flutrackers.com/forum/showthread.php?p=260263#post260263
 
Re: Obese Exposed as Swine Flu Collides With Fat Epidemic

The story is mostly talking about morbidly obese people (BMI >40). I understand there will be some data from the U.S. coming out over the next few days on this as an MMWR Despatch. I think it will be worth looking at.
 
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Hat tip Ironorehopper -


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<!-- content area --> <!-- body area --> Intensive-Care Patients With Severe Novel Influenza A (H1N1) Virus Infection --- Michigan, June 2009

In April 2009, CDC reported the first two cases in the United States of human infection with a novel influenza A (H1N1) virus (1). As of July 6, a total of 122 countries had reported 94,512 cases of novel influenza A (H1N1) virus infection, 429 of which were fatal; in the United States, a total of 33,902 cases were reported, 170 of which were fatal.* Cases of novel influenza A (H1N1) virus infection have included rapidly progressive lower respiratory tract disease resulting in respiratory failure, development of acute respiratory distress syndrome (ARDS), and prolonged intensive care unit (ICU) admission (2). Since April 26, communitywide transmission of novel influenza A (H1N1) virus has occurred in Michigan, with 655 probable and confirmed cases reported as of June 18 (Michigan Department of Community Health [MDCH], unpublished data, 2009). This report summarizes the clinical characteristics of a series of 10 patients with novel influenza A (H1N1) virus infection and ARDS at a tertiary-care ICU in Michigan. Of the 10 patients, nine were obese (body mass index [BMI] ≥30), including seven who were extremely obese (BMI ≥40); five had pulmonary emboli; and nine had multiorgan dysfunction syndrome (MODS). Three patients died. Clinicians should be aware of the potential for severe complications of novel influenza A (H1N1) virus infection, particularly in extremely obese patients.
The surgical intensive care unit (SICU) at the University of Michigan Health System (UMHS) specializes in the evaluation of adult patients with severe ARDS for advanced mechanical ventilation and possible extracorporeal membrane oxygenation (ECMO). During May 26--June 18, the unit received 13 patients for evaluation from outlying hospitals, 10 of whom were confirmed to have novel influenza A (H1N1) virus infection by testing of respiratory specimens with real-time reverse transcription--polymerase chain reaction (rRT-PCR) at MDCH and CDC. Direct immunofluorescent antibody staining at UMHS was negative for influenza A in all 10 patients. Viral culture at UMHS was positive for influenza A in two patients. All 10 patients were referred to the SICU because of severe hypoxemia, ARDS, and an inability to achieve adequate oxygenation with conventional ventilation modalities. Medical records of all 10 patients were reviewed for demographics, case characteristics, clinical findings, and clinical course.
Illness onset of the 10 patients occurred during May 22--June 13. The median age was 46 years (range: 21--53 years); nine patients were obese, including seven who were extremely obese (Table). In the three fatal cases, the time from illness onset to death ranged from 17 to 30 days. Four patients received steroids during their illness before transfer to the SICU; two with asthma received oral steroids as outpatients during the initial evaluation and treatment of their acute respiratory illness (one was on chronic oral steroids for underlying lung disease, and one without chronic pulmonary disease was prescribed oral steroids and oral antimicrobials). Five patients received intravenous corticosteroids during their SICU hospitalization: four for treatment of severe vasopressor-dependent refractory septic shock, and one for continuation of therapy for chronic pulmonary disease.
All 10 patients required initial advanced mechanical ventilation (high-frequency oscillatory or bilevel ventilation with high mean airway pressures [32--55 cm H20]). Two patients required veno-venous ECMO support. Six required continuous renal replacement therapy (CRRT) for acute renal failure. Upon transfer to the SICU, five had elevated white blood cell counts, and one had a decreased white blood cell count. The median white blood cell count (WBC) was 9,500 cells/mm3 (range: 3,700--19,700 cells/mm3; normal: 4,000--10,000 cells/mm3). All ten patients had elevated aspartate transaminase (AST) levels. The median AST level was 83.5 IU/L (range: 41--109 IU/L; normal: 8--30 IU/L). Six of the nine patients who were tested had elevated creatine phosphokinase (CPK) levels. The median CPK level was 999 IU/L (range: 51-- 6,572 IU/L; normal: 38--240 IU/L). Nine patients were admitted to the SICU with MODS, and nine manifested septic shock requiring vasopressor support. All 10 patients required tracheostomy.
Chest radiograph findings in all 10 patients were abnormal, with bilateral infiltrates consistent with severe multilobar pneumonia or ARDS. Computed tomography (CT) of the chest confirmed pulmonary emboli in four patients at admission to the SICU and in one additional patient who deteriorated 6 days after admission to the SICU. A hypercoagulable state was evident in two additional patients. One of these patients had frequent clotting of the CRRT circuit despite regional citrate anticoagulation. Another patient had bilateral iliofemoral deep venous thromboses, necessitating systemic heparin anticoagulation. None of the 10 patients had evidence of concomitant disseminated intravascular coagulation by laboratory studies.
As of July 8, none of the 10 patients had evidence of bacterial infection after admission to the SICU or in subsequent blood, bronchoalveolar lavage, or urine cultures. All patients received antibiotic therapy upon admission to the initial hospitals, and broad spectrum antibiotics were continued upon transfer to the SICU.
The timing of antiviral treatment initiation was difficult to determine because patients were transferred from other hospitals; however, the estimated median number of days from illness onset to initiation of antiviral treatment was 8 days (range: 5--12 days). During their care at the SICU, all 10 patients were administered oseltamivir and amantadine beyond the standard 5-day course, including higher-dose oseltamivir (up to 150 mg orally twice a day), with dose adjustment for decreased renal function.
As of July 8, one patient remained in the SICU requiring ECMO, one remained on advanced mechanical ventilation, five were transferred back to the referring facility in stable condition, and three had died. Autopsies were performed on two patients; results in both patients confirmed bilateral severe hemorrhagic viral pneumonitis with interstitial inflammation and diffuse alveolar damage and concurrent bilateral pulmonary emboli.

Reported by: LM Napolitano, MD, PK Park, MD, KC Sihler, MD, T Papadimos, MD, Div of Acute Care Surgery, Univ of Michigan Health System; C Chenoweth, MD, S Cinti, MD, C Zalewski, MPH, Div of Infectious Diseases and Infection Control, Univ of Michigan Health System; R Sharangpani, MD, Univ of Michigan School of Public Health; P Somsel, DrPH, E Wells, MD, Michigan Dept of Community Health. AM Fry, MD, AE Fiore, MD, MPH, JM Villanueva, PhD, S Lindstrom, PhD, TM Uyeki, MD, Influenza Div, National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases, CDC.
Editorial Note:

This report describes the clinical findings of a limited series of patients with novel influenza A (H1N1) virus infection and refractory ARDS admitted to a tertiary-care ICU for advanced mechanical ventilation. This patient group represents the most severely ill subset of persons with novel influenza A (H1N1) virus infection and is notable for the predominance of males, the high prevalence of obesity (especially extreme obesity), and the frequency of clinically significant pulmonary emboli and MODS. All required advanced mechanical ventilator support, reflecting severe pulmonary damage. The pulmonary compromise described in this report suggests that severe pulmonary damage occurred as a result of primary viral pneumonia. Although data are not available, this damage also might be attributable to secondary host immune respons
 
Re: Obese Exposed as Swine Flu Collides With Fat Epidemic

Dr. Fedson told me a couple of months ago that obesity results in slightly more inflammation in the body. This can have the effect of adding a complication to any challenge to the body.
 
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<headline>Obesity seen as risk factor in swine flu</headline>

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<cite>July 11, 2009 - 8:29AM</cite>

Some swine flu cases in America are raising questions about obesity's role in why some people with infections become seriously ill.

A high proportion of those who have gotten severely ill from swine flu have been obese or extremely obese, but health officials have said that might be due to the fact that heavy people tend to have asthma and other conditions that make them more susceptible.

Obesity alone has never been seen as a risk factor for seasonal flu.

But in a report released on Friday, health officials detailed the cases of 10 Michigan patients who were very sick from swine flu in late May and early June and ended up at a specialised hospital in Ann Arbor. Three of them died.

Nine of the 10 were either obese or extremely obese. Only three of the 10 had other health problems. Two of the three that died had no other health conditions.

This hardly settles the question of whether obesity is its own risk factor for swine flu. It's possible the patients had undiagnosed heart problems or other unidentified conditions.

Still the finding was striking, investigators acknowledged.

Also remarkable were that five of the patients developed blood clots in their lungs, and six had kidney failure. Those complications have been seen in some swine flu patients before, but not usually in such a high proportion.

"Clinicians need to be aware that severe complications can occur in patients with the novel H1N1 virus, particularly in extremely obese patients," said Dr. Tim Uyeki, a flu expert at the Centres for Disease Control and Prevention.

Uyeki was a co-author of the report, released by a CDC publication, Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report.

Also on Friday, the CDC said the number of US swine flu cases has surpassed 37,000 and deaths have risen to 211.

The numbers rose from the 170 deaths and nearly 34,000 confirmed and suspected swine flu cases reported last week.

Those are lab-confirmed and probable infections. CDC officials believe those cases - which sought treatment and underwent testing - are just the tip of the iceberg. They estimate more than 1 million Americans have been infected with the virus so far, though many probably had only a mild illness.

Swine flu is the predominant flu type circulating currently, with nine states reporting widespread cases, down from 10 a week ago.
The pandemic was first identified in California in April. Since then a total of more than 94,000 cases have been reported in more than 100 countries, according to the World Health Organisation.


http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-new...s-risk-factor-in-swine-flu-20090711-dgc9.html
 
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Source: http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601124&sid=aPUbdh6sLlb0

Swine Flu Packs Bigger Jolt for Obese as ‘Striking’ Link Found
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By Jason Gale

July 11 (Bloomberg) -- Extremely fat swine flu sufferers may have a tendency to become severely ill, health officials in the U.S. and Europe said, after a report showed a “striking” prevalence of obesity among patients hospitalized in Michigan.

Nine of 10 patients with the pandemic flu strain admitted to an intensive care unit at Ann Arbor from late May to early June, were obese and seven were “extremely obese,” with a body mass index of at least 40, doctors said. Three of the 10 died and seven had no other known health problems.

The study, in the Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report yesterday, supports a pattern seen by doctors tracking the pandemic in hospital reports from Glasgow to Melbourne and from Santiago to New York. Researchers say the trend is surprising because obesity hasn’t been identified previously as a risk factor for severe complications of seasonal flu.

“Clinicians should be aware that severe illness and fatal outcomes also can occur in patients without known risk factors for complications of seasonal influenza, including persons with extreme obesity,” the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in Atlanta said in an editorial note accompanying its report.

With the new virus on a collision course with the obesity epidemic, the World Health Organization says it’s gathering statistics to confirm and understand this development.

“Morbid obesity is one of the most common findings turning up in severely ill patients,” said Nikki Shindo, who is leading the investigation of swine flu patients at the WHO in Geneva. “It’s a huge problem.”

Seeking More Answers

So far, the evidence is anecdotal. No global or national data have been reported and the CDC said it’s unknown whether obesity is an independent risk factor. Yesterday, the European Centre for Disease Control and Prevention in Stockholm began including obesity on a list of factors that put patients at risk of dying from the pandemic bug.

Drugmaker Roche Holding AG is combing through studies to determine whether heavier people should get bigger doses of its Tamiflu antiviral. The CDC said yesterday that, until more data are available, a double dose of the Roche pill or a longer course of treatment can be considered for severely ill hospitalized swine flu patients.

The pandemic strain is reported to have killed 429 people worldwide since its discovery in the U.S. and Mexico in April, according to the WHO’s most recent report. The infection, which has spread as far as New Zealand and Norway, causes little more than a fever and cough in most cases. The majority of those who died were pregnant, had asthma, diabetes or other chronic diseases, according to the WHO.

Obesity ‘Stands Out’

“About 75 percent of patients have underlying conditions, and clearly obesity stands out as a statistically significant factor involved in the seriousness of the disease,” said Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases in Bethesda, Maryland. “It was a bit of a surprise to us.”

It’s the first time the prominence of obesity has been widely recognized among severely ill flu sufferers, Fauci said in a July 9 interview. “It’s very likely that if we went back retrospectively and looked at people who did poorly during seasonal flu, what would shake out is that obesity would be one of the risks,” he said.

CDC researchers noted the association among California H1N1 patients in a May 22 report. The agency is investigating whether overweight people need different flu vaccinations. Last year, 26.1 percent of adults in the U.S. were obese, up from 25.6 percent in 2007, the CDC said in a July 8 statement.

Severe Pneumonia

Some patients are showing up at hospitals with viral pneumonia so severe they are suffocating. All 10 of the Michigan patients, ages 21 to 53, suffered acute respiratory distress and weren’t getting enough oxygen even when put on a conventional mechanical ventilator.

The patients, who represent “the most severely ill subset” of H1N1 sufferers, were notable for several reasons, the CDC said. Nine were male, five developed dangerous clots in the lung and major organs became dysfunctional in nine of the patients. The body mass index of nine patients ranged from 34.2 to 58.9, according to the report. People with a BMI of 25 to 29.9 are considered “overweight” and those higher than 30 are “obese.”

“The high prevalence of obesity in this case series is striking,” CDC said.

A 5-foot, 5-inch (1.65 meters) woman is considered overweight at 150 pounds (68 kilograms) and obese at 180 pounds. A 6-foot man is considered overweight at 184 pounds and obese at 221 pounds.

Cause or Complication

Scientists don’t yet know whether extremely overweight people get sicker because of associated conditions like heart disease and asthma, or whether the excess fat itself makes them more vulnerable. Both may be to blame.

Fat cells secrete chemicals that cause chronic, low-level inflammation that can hamper the body’s immune response and narrow the airways, says Tim Armstrong, a doctor working in the WHO’s chronic diseases department in Geneva.

What’s more, excess fatty tissue compresses the chest, and the fatty infiltration of the chest wall causes a decrease in lung function and an increase in the pulmonary blood volume, Armstrong said. “If you are obese, you tend to be less physically active and have an associated shallower breathing pattern. All these compound, leading to breathing difficulties.”

Insulin Resistance

The morbidly obese also are more likely to experience insulin resistance, a condition that makes it harder for doctors to lower the level of sugar in the blood of critically ill patients, said Greet Van den Berghe, head of acute medical sciences at Belgium’s Catholic University of Leuven.

“The question has always been, is it the obesity or the other problems?” said Melinda Beck, professor of nutrition at the University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill. “There haven’t been studies that looked just at weight. In my research, it appears to be the obesity itself.”

In mouse studies, flu killed about half of the rodents made obese by a high-fat diet, compared with a mortality rate of about 4 percent in lean animals, according to Beck’s research. She is studying whether obese humans might need stronger doses of vaccine or a different method of delivery.

People may reduce their risk of developing complications from swine flu -- as well as many other diseases -- by maintaining a healthy weight, quitting smoking, exercising regularly and moderating alcohol intake, said rederick HaydenF, a clinical virologist at the University of Virginia.

Rates Jump

Obesity rates have tripled in the U.S., U.K. and Australia during the past three decades, according to the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development. The ranks of the overweight are also swelling in the developing world. In China, obesity doubled among women and tripled in men between 1989 and 2000 and it may double again in 20 years, according to research released last year in the journal Health Affairs.

Studies are needed to better understand the immune response of obese people and determine whether excess body weight impairs their ability to fight the infection, said Pamela Fraker, a professor of biochemistry at Michigan State University.

“It’s sort of strange that it’s been neglected with this major population,” Fraker said. “We need to know about this for the further care and protection of the growing number of obese we have and for society in general.”

To contact the reporter on this story: Jason Gale in Singapore at j.gale@bloomberg.net
Last Updated: July 10, 2009 20:28 EDT
 
Re: Obese Exposed as Swine Flu Collides With Fat Epidemic

Since were talking anecdotal evidence, I can't help but point out that in 1918 there were tens of thousands of young, fit, non-obese young men in military training camps, and on troop ships that were decimated by influenza.

If obesity is a risk factor, and there is an epidemic of obesity, and the vast majority of cases are mild, then a larger corresponding number of obese individuals are not experiencing complications.

Me thinks science and public health are a bit embarrassed at their ignorance and impotence in the face of this virus.

More 'pre-existing conditions' masquerading as answers...

Snick

This is correct, obesity was not very common among the public in 1918 especially among the thousands of young soldiers who died in their stateside barracks or on shipboard to the front.

What's more those reported in the CDC's MMWR from 10Jul2009 were for the most part morbidly obese. The average BMI was > 46 with the lowest BMI in the group of 34.

So, these are not your average overweight Americans. They are well beyond that and then some. To provide you with a frame of reference, these men would have difficulty sitting in a standard airline seat, would not be able to buy ready to wear clothes and would have great difficulty just getting around day to day.

GW
 
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I can understand why treating an obese person would be more difficult. But, that doesn't explain why the person got so sick in the first place.

I guess the virus just knows it has infected an obese person :doctor:
 
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Has anyone tried looking at the correlation with physical fitness independently of BMI? If this virus gets deeper into the lungs, would people need to be in good physical shape just to cough it all up?
 
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You bring up a good point. Someone might weigh a certain amount, but if they're in good shape, part of the weight is muscle. I presume that person would have a lower true BMI.

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Re: Obese Exposed as Swine Flu Collides With Fat Epidemic

You bring up a good point. Someone might weigh a certain amount, but if they're in good shape, part of the weight is muscle. I presume that person would have a lower true BMI.

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You have pointed out an important weakness of BMI. For instance think of an bulky muscle builder. He weighs 220lb (100kg) and is 5'7"

BMI = wt kg / ht m

= 100/1.65 = 36.7 or Level II Obesity

However, if he had body composition analysis (BCA) using dual X-ray absorptiometry (DXA the same technology used to measure bone density), and the current gold standard for measuring body fat content we would find his body fat content is 11%.

Other methods used for body fat measurement include under water weighing (The Archimedes Method), skin fold thickness measurement by a trained nutritionist using calipers, and by Bioelectric Impedance. While BI is widely used in health clubs it is the least accurate. The former gold standard was under water weighing but this method is difficult to do and is not accurate in those with COPD. Measurement by skin fold thickness is accurate when done by an experienced person but is time consuming. Determining body composition analysis by DXA is very accurate (+/-3%), fast and easy but requires an expensive piece of equipment. However, for the past decade it has replaced all other methods for this purpose in drug studies submitted to the US FDA.

Now, is this man healthy? Probably not but this is not because he is fat. The reason is he has an imbalance between his fat and muscle; specifically too little fat and too much muscle. What is healthy for people is to have a body fat content and BMI in the 20s but these two are not the same and measure different things entirely.

The BMI healthy range is the same for men and women with normal being defined as between 20 and 25. Overweight is 25 to 30 with obese > 30. It is well known that healthy women have more body as a percent of total weigh than men. So, with DXA based BCA measurement the healthy range in men for body fat is between 20% and 25% and for women is 25% and 30%.

The definition of health and wellness is in transition presently. I have become a student Integrative Medicine as advocated by Andrew Weil, MD. Using a more comprehensive definition of "optimal health and wellness" then, one would examine our body builder's health within several spheres of health. The first is Anatomical Fitness, the second is Metabolic Fitness of and the third is Athletic Fitness. All three comprise Physical Fitness and to have optimal physical fitness one must be fit within all three domains.

Anatomical Fitness is defined as having a BMI and BCA by DXA both within the normal range. So, our body builder would fail this measure in both these categories and hence is unbalanced anatomically. An classical example of an anatomically fit man is Raphel's statue of David.

Metabolic Fitness is defined as having healthy levels of serum lipids, highly sensitive C-reactive protein, fasting blood sugar and insulin, and other measures like thyroid, sex hormones, and vitamin D etc.

Athletic Fitness is defined as being able to exercise for >10 minutes at a level of 11 METs. The MET is AKA metabolic equivalents and is a standard way to compare the energy required to perform certain activities from brisk walking, bicycling at 10 MPH, or rowing. The MET achieved can be converted through a simply formula to the VO2 which is a measure of how much O2 each minute is consumed by the muscles during exercise. This is the true measure of athletic fitness.

For instance, a sedentary person who never exercises and only walks around the house etc are often found to be unable to exercise at a level of more than 4 to 8 VO2. A person who is more active in their daily lives and who might exercise occasionally are likely to have a VO2 of 20. A person who exercises regularly for 45 minutes 3 or 4 days each week and has an active lifestyle probably has a level of 35 to 40 VO2. Elite athletes, like marathon runners achieve levels of 70 to 75 VO2 which is just about the maximum anyone can obtain.

It turns out that studies show that obtaining a VO2 of between 35 to 40 provides one with a very low risk for heart disease, stroke, HBP, and diabetes. So, this is the level we want people to reach for athletic fitness.

For optimal health in the Physical Sphere then one needs to be fit in all these domains.

With regard to the issue at hand, being fit in this way would give one tremendous resources with which to fight most infectious diseases but influenza in 1918 caused the deaths of many thousands of young men who probably met these comprehensive criteria. So even being fit by this advanced definition did not protect them. I suspect that cytokine storm is not something fitness can ward away and many of the morbidly obese men in the CDC report had signs of mult-organ failure typical of cytokine storm.

Another interesting finding in that study was apparent rhabdomyolysis as indicated by these patient's elevated CPK levels. This means they had muscle tissue breakdown and is a new finding during severe flu for me.

Apparently all of them had this to some degree or another and this is important because while it was not really severe, when muscle tissue breaks down, myoglobin, the major muscle protein is released from the degenerating tissue and washed into the blood. From there is goes through the kidney where this glue-like substance can clog the filter mechanism (glomeruli) and cause renal failure.

This is very interesting because this same mechanism may well be present in others with renal failure seen with the novel strain and might have been the cause for the widespread incidence of renal failure seen in 1918 as well.

If this indeed is the cause of renal failure in patients with severe influenza, it can be prevented by forcing fluids through the kidney. However, the treating physician needs to know about this before he can treat it since the quantity of fluids required to protect the kidney from myoglobinuria is much greater than the usual amount given patients for maintenance.

What's more, a tenet of ICU care for patients with adult respiratory distress syndrome (ARDS) which all 10 of these men had is to keep their IV fluid input low because it has been observed that giving them high levels IV fluid results in a worsening of their lung disorder due to some of the excess fluid being parked in the lung tissue blocking the ability of the lung to exchange CO2 for O2. So "keep them dry" is the rule.

What is of note too from this report is that a number of these men were said to have gone into septic shock but I don't think any of them had bacterial infections confirmed at any point in their hospital course. What might of happened here was that they went into hypovolemic shock due to them being kept dry but the doctors taking care of these patients are pros and I will accept what they thought at the bedside rather than what I think here in my armchair.

However, my point in bringing these things up is to hammer home the fact that having this information on patients is of value and the CDC needs to release much more of it and soon.

We need to have this information to learn from it and to develop new ideas about the disease process and its treatment like the notion above regarding a possible cause for the renal failure seen so often in those seriously ill.

We need to apply as much brain power to this problem we can and while the CDC is truly a brain power trust if there ever was one, this is a tough problem and the more heads working on it the better.

I do have some critical comments to make about this case report and that is how outragious it was. It was truly an example of public health muck racking of the first order. On the CDC's public enemies list is obesity right up there with smoking. They just could not resist publishing this report as a way to get in a blow against fat people. I understand this alterior motive and approve of it but this case series was frankly over the top because it does not probably represent the average US death. It is skewed and while still helpful does not give us information about the previously healthy non-obese people who died. Also of concern is that this report will give the false impression to the uninformed public that they do not have to worry about influenza because they are not obese. Not true.

Furthermore, the case information given in this report was way too scanty. We need much more than provided to really make sense of these deaths. Since the CDC and all public health agencies and coroners are exempt from HIPPA, they can report whatever they want as long as it is in the public interest. So while I think they have a responsibility to use the information they have responsibly about patients, they also have a responsibility to share that information with the public, physicians, and scientists when it is in the public interest. Clearly if there was ever a time when it is in the public interest to do so, this is it.

What a looong post. I think maybe I should move over to the DailyKos or something and become an Internet personality! ;~>

Grattan Woodson, MD
 
Re: Obese Exposed as Swine Flu Collides With Fat Epidemic

If we start to criticize even scientific paper because they present a case series of patients with moderate-to-severe obesity, I don't think then we could longer suggest to people to trust in public health officials.

Among the paper's experts there is T. Uyeki. I think he's doing several effort to support changes in therapeutical approaches, so I think is unjust to attack the report only because the CDC war on obesity.

If they have had ten people in S-ICU and seven severely affected by obesity, then we cannot conclude their study is biased.

Other reports will follow and other conditions will be evaluated as well.

The paper highlights further the facts that of the ten patients, three died and five were discharged from S-ICU to long-term care wards/facilities and improved.

The point is: how many S-ICU well equipped, staffed are ready to treat patients so severely ill?

And with a great surge in cases - as widely predicted by health officials - how longer these facilities will be able to operate?

We need to make aware people of these things:

- the ICU and S-ICU beds are not unlimited with respect to the amount of patients capacity and staff coverage;

- many patients may need an emergency triage before ICU admission;

- people must protect themselves if widespread epidemics in community;

- rapid assessment by health authorities of other therapeutical approaches are urgently needed;

- most countries - both in developed and in third-world regions - cannot afford these level of excellence in intensive care units.

This, obviously, without the need of additional changes in antigenic and genetic properties of the pandemic H1N1 2009 virus.
 
Re: Obese Exposed as Swine Flu Collides With Fat Epidemic

If we start to criticize even scientific paper because they present a case series of patients with moderate-to-severe obesity, I don't think then we could longer suggest to people to trust in public health officials.

Among the paper's experts there is T. Uyeki. I think he's doing several effort to support changes in therapeutical approaches, so I think is unjust to attack the report only because the CDC war on obesity.

If they have had ten people in S-ICU and seven severely affected by obesity, then we cannot conclude their study is biased.

Other reports will follow and other conditions will be evaluated as well.

The paper highlights further the facts that of the ten patients, three died and five were discharged from S-ICU to long-term care wards/facilities and improved.

The point is: how many S-ICU well equipped, staffed are ready to treat patients so severely ill?

And with a great surge in cases - as widely predicted by health officials - how longer these facilities will be able to operate?

We need to make aware people of these things:

- the ICU and S-ICU beds are not unlimited with respect to the amount of patients capacity and staff coverage;

- many patients may need an emergency triage before ICU admission;

- people must protect themselves if widespread epidemics in community;

- rapid assessment by health authorities of other therapeutical approaches are urgently needed;

- most countries - both in developed and in third-world regions - cannot afford these level of excellence in intensive care units.

This, obviously, without the need of additional changes in antigenic and genetic properties of the pandemic H1N1 2009 virus.

Overall, I found the report very informative just not informative enough. It would not be accepted by a peer reviewed medical journal with such scanty clinical data; but beggars can't be choosers and we are the ones without this information.

There are several things about this report that I did not say in my assessment but will add here in the interest of being complete.

The fact that only 3 of the 10 died is remarkable. It is well known that ARDS has an average survival rate of about 50% yet these doctors and that facility were able to improve survival to 66% which is unexpected especially given the care and medical challange presented by these not simply obese but morbidly obese (except for 1) patients.

In my opinion, these kinds of outcomes can not be expected to be obtained in very many other facilities. The methods used to ventilate the patients and the employment of extracorporeal venous oxygenation are technologies that are not widely available.

If in the fall the CAR rises to 30% or even 50% of the population, there will be no way that anything like this will be possible anywhere; rather it is not likely that our hospitals will even be able to stay open due to supply and staff shortages.

GW
 
Re: Obese Exposed as Swine Flu Collides With Fat Epidemic

This means they had muscle tissue breakdown and is a new finding during severe flu for me.
Why would influenza cause muscle tissue breakdown?

Thank you for the clarification of BMI details.

So we should: 1) have a BMI <30, 2) have healthy levels of serum lipids, highly sensitive C-reactive protein, fasting blood sugar and insulin, and other measures like thyroid, sex hormones, and vitamin D etc; and 3) exercise regularly for 45 minutes 3 or 4 days each week with a generally active lifestyle.

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Re: Obese Exposed as Swine Flu Collides With Fat Epidemic

Why would influenza cause muscle tissue breakdown?

Thank you for the clarification of BMI details.

So we should: 1) have a BMI <30, 2) have healthy levels of serum lipids, highly sensitive C-reactive protein, fasting blood sugar and insulin, and other measures like thyroid, sex hormones, and vitamin D etc; and 3) exercise regularly for 45 minutes 3 or 4 days each week with a generally active lifestyle.

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Yes and yes.

Yes, it appears from the case series that the patients hospitalized in Michgan all had some degree of rhabdo and this is not something that I was aware of as being seen in flu patients before. This does not mean someone or virtually everyone but me has been aware of it for decades. It is new to me though and I read a lot about this topic.

So, if anyone out there has information linking severe influenza most particularly pandemic influenza to muscle breakdown, please enlighten me.

I am going to search a couple of sources I have from 1918 and pubmed and see what turns up.

Yes, to be optimally healthy in the Physical Quadrant, which is only one of four, you need to meet the above requirements in each of the three domains.

The four quadrants are Physical, Internal, Relational and External. They correspond to Ken Wilber's work as this is an Integral Medicine paradigm and he is the father of all things Integral.

GW
 
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Rhabdomyolysis


Contents of this page:
Illustrations
Definition
Causes
Symptoms
Exams and Tests
Treatment
Outlook (Prognosis)
Possible Complications
When to Contact a Medical Professional
Prevention
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Definition Return to top

Rhabdomyolysis is the breakdown of muscle fibers resulting in the release of muscle fiber contents (myoglobin) into the bloodstream. Some of these are harmful to the kidney and frequently result in kidney damage.

Causes Return to top

When muscle is damaged, a protein pigment called myoglobin is released into the bloodstream and filtered out of the body by the kidneys. Myoglobin breaks down into potentially harmful compounds. It may block the structures of the kidney, causing damage such as acute tubular necrosis or kidney failure.

Dead muscle tissue may cause a large amount of fluid to move from the blood into the muscle, reducing the fluid volume of the body and leading to shock and reduced blood flow to the kidneys.

The disorder may be caused by any condition that results in damage to skeletal muscle, especially trauma.

Risk factors include the following:

Alcoholism (with subsequent muscle tremors)
Crush Injuries
Heat intolerance
Heatstroke
Ischemia or necrosis of the muscles (as may occur with arterial occlusion, deep venous thrombosis, or other conditions)
Low phosphate levels
Seizures
Severe exertion such as marathon running or calisthenics
Shaking chills
Trauma
Use or overdose of drugs, especially cocaine, amphetamines, statins, heroin, or PCP
Symptoms Return to top

Abnormal urine color (dark, red, or cola colored)
General weakness
Muscle stiffness or aching (myalgia)
Muscle tenderness
Weakness of the affected muscles
Additional symptoms that may be associated with this disease include the following:
Fatigue
Joint pain
Seizures
Weight gain (unintentional)
Exams and Tests Return to top

An examination reveals tender or damaged skeletal muscles.

CPK is very high.
Serum myoglobin test is positive.
Serum potassium may be very high
Urinalysis may reveal casts and be positive for hemoglobin without evidence of red blood cells on microscopic examination.
Urine myoglobin test is positive.
This disease may also alter the results of the following tests:

CPK isoenzymes
Urine creatinine
Serum creatinine
Treatment Return to top

Early and aggressive fluids (hydration) may prevent complications by rapidly remove myoglobin out of the kidneys. Fluids may need to be given by I.V. The fluid needs with muscle necrosis may equal the massive fluid volume needs of a severely burned patient.

Medicines that may be prescribed include diuretics and bicarbonate (if urine output is sufficient).

Hyperkalemia should be treated if present. Kidney failure should be treated as appropriate.

Outlook (Prognosis) Return to top

The outcome varies depending on the extent of kidney damage.

Possible Complications Return to top

Acute tubular necrosis
Acute renal failure
When to Contact a Medical Professional Return to top

Call your health care provider if symptoms indicate rhabdomyolysis may be present.

Prevention Return to top

Drink plenty of fluids after strenous exercise to dilute the urine and flush the myoglobin out of the kidney. Proper hydration is also necessary after any condition or event that may involve damage to skeletal muscle.

Update Date: 8/14/2007
Updated by: Charles Silberberg, DO, Private Practice specializing in Nephrology, Affiliated with New York Medical College, Division of Nephrology, Valhalla, NY. Review provided by VeriMed Healthcare Network.


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Re: Obese Exposed as Swine Flu Collides With Fat Epidemic

The entry from Medical Encyclopedia above lists deep vein thrombosis as a possible cause of rhabdo and most of the gents had this, so this might be the reason rather than a direct effect of the flu. I will keep looking.

GW
 
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