• FluTrackers.com Inc. does not provide medical advice. Information on this web site is collected from various internet resources, and the FluTrackers board of directors makes no warranty to the safety, efficacy, correctness or completeness of the information posted on this site by any author or poster. The information collated here is for instructional and/or discussion purposes only and is NOT intended to diagnose or treat any disease, illness, or other medical condition. Every individual reader or poster should seek advice from their personal physician/healthcare practitioner before considering or using any interventions that are discussed on this website. By continuing to access this website you agree to consult your personal physican before using any interventions posted on this website, and you agree to hold harmless FluTrackers.com Inc., the board of directors, the members, and all authors and posters for any effects from use of any medication, supplement, vitamin or other substance, device, intervention, etc. mentioned in posts on this website, or other internet venues referenced in posts on this website.
  • We are not asking for any donations. Do not donate to any entity who says they are raising funds for us.

Novartis recalled Seasonal ?H1N1″ vaccine two months before allegedly new Pandemic ?H1N1″ outbreak in Mexico

Tonka

Well-known member
http://www.openureyes.org.nz/blog/?q=node/1917

Novartis recalled ?H1N1″ vaccine two months before allegedly new ?H1N1″ outbreak in Mexico
Mon, 20/07/2009 - 11:41 ? smashdracs
Novartis recalled its ?swine flu? HIN1 vaccine in February of this year, two months before the outbreak of the allegedly new and unseeen ?swine flu? H1N1 outbreak in Mexico City occurred in April.

The timing of the recall of the H1N1 vaccine raises questions concerning how Novartis could have had a vaccine for the ?swine flu? H1N1 virus on the market months before this allegedly new and dangerous ?swine flu? virus appeared in Mexico in April. The appearance of the H1N1 virus was allegedly so new and so dangerous that WHO felt obliged to declare a pandemic emergency level 6 even though there?ve been hardly any deaths around the globe officially attributed to the so-called ?swine flu?.

As a result of this declaration of a pandemic level 6 emergency, WHO?s vaccine advisory group packed with executives from Baxter and Novartis recommended worldwide vaccination, a recommendation WHO translated into a guideline with legal force.

Now, billions of people around the world face the prospect of a mandatory vaccination with unproven, toxic substances for a harmless virus that has been bioengineered to be lethal.

Novartis is also planning to have MF 59 or squalene in its vaccine, a toxic adjuvant.

Novartis ?bird flu? vaccine, which killed at least 20 people in Poland last summer, has ?adverse events reactions? listed as its ?primary outcome measure? on the database of clinical trials.

Novartis? CEO Daniel Vassella was at the Bilderberg meeting in Athens this May together with Austrian Chancellor Werner Faymann. Were they discussing plans to coordinate the activities of the Austrian government, Baxter?s Austrian subsidiary and other vaccine companies such as Novartis to implement forced vaccination in the autumn in response to the media frenzy whipped up by the appearance of a virus in Mexico that Novartis had a vaccine for anyway months before?

It was Baxter?s Austrian subsidiary that contaminated 72 pounds of vaccine material with live bird flu virus this February and sent it out to 16 labs in four countries, thereby nearly triggering a pandemic.

?-

MANUFACTURER:

Novartis Vaccines and Diagnostics Limited
Liverpool United Kingdom

REASON:

Novartis Vaccines and Diagnostics Inc. has requested their customers to immediately discontinue use of and return any remaining doses they may have from five lots of FLUVIRIN? Influenza vaccine Luer-Lok pre-filled syringes.

Routine stability testing of FLUVIRIN in prefilled Luer-Lok syringes revealed a minor deviation in the potency of the A/Brisbane (H1N1) component of the vaccine. The vaccine met all required specifications at the time of release and has been monitored in monthly time intervals during its shelf life; it has consistently met specification until the most recent test point in early January 2009 that identified a minimal decrease in H1N1 antigen content.

The Food and Drug Administration (FDA), the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), and Novartis Vaccines have agreed that no public health impact is expected because 1) all of the affected vaccine was shipped when the vaccine met potency requirements, 2) most influenza vaccine in the US is administered during October and November, months when the vaccine met potency requirements, and 3) the decrease in antigen content is small and would have a negligible if any effect on immune response to vaccination. Revaccination of patients that have been vaccinated with the affected lots is not necessary.

http://birdflu666.wordpress.com/2009/07/19/novartis-recalls-h1n1-vaccine...
 
Re: Novartis recalled ?H1N1″ vaccine two months before allegedly new ?H1N1″ outbreak in Mexico

Re: Novartis recalled ?H1N1″ vaccine two months before allegedly new ?H1N1″ outbreak in Mexico

http://www.openureyes.org.nz/blog/?q=node/1917

Novartis “bird flu” vaccine, which killed at least 20 people in Poland last summer, has “adverse events reactions” listed as its “primary outcome measure” on the database of clinical trials.


http://birdflu666.wordpress.com/2009/07/19/novartis-recalls-h1n1-vaccine...

Yikes. If this was true we would have heard of it. You have a severely biased source, likely someone who has a grudge against Novartis. This needs to be moved to the Discussion Forum. Or removed.

And that was seasonal H1N1, not pandemic. I vote for removed.
 
Last edited:
Re: Novartis recalled ?H1N1″ vaccine two months before allegedly new ?H1N1″ outbreak in Mexico

Re: Novartis recalled ?H1N1″ vaccine two months before allegedly new ?H1N1″ outbreak in Mexico

Actually, alert it is true:

Homeless people die after bird flu vaccine trial in Poland
Three Polish doctors and six nurses are facing criminal prosecution after a number of homeless people died following medical trials for a vaccine to the H5N1 bird-flu virus.

By Matthew Day in Warsaw
Published: 4:37PM BST 02 Jul 2008

21 people died after being given the vaccine The medical staff, from the northern town of Grudziadz, are being investigated over medical trials on as many as 350 homeless and poor people last year, which prosecutors say involved an untried vaccine to the highly-contagious virus.

Authorities claim that the alleged victims received ?1-2 to be tested with what they thought was a conventional flu vaccine but, according to investigators, was actually an anti bird-flu drug.


Related Articles
Polish Ponglish dialect arrives in England The director of a Grudziadz homeless centre, Mieczyslaw Waclawski, told a Polish newspaper that last year, 21 people from his centre died, a figure well above the average of about eight.

Although authorities have yet to prove a direct link between the deaths and the activities of the medical staff, Poland's health minister, Ewa Kopacz, has said that the doctors and nurses involved should not return to their profession.

"It is in the interests of all doctors that those who are responsible for this are punished," the minister added.

Investigators are also probing the possibility that the medical staff may have also have deceived the pharmaceutical companies that commissioned the trials.

The suspects said that the all those involved knew that the trial involved an anti-H5N1 drug and willingly participated.

The news of the investigation will come as another blow to the reputation of Poland's beleaguered and poverty-stricken national health service. In 2002, a number of ambulance medics were found guilty of killing their patients for commissions from funeral companies.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/poland/2235676/Homeless-people-die-after-bird-flu-vaccine-trial-in-Poland.html
 
Re: Novartis recalled ?H1N1″ vaccine two months before allegedly new ?H1N1″ outbreak in Mexico

Re: Novartis recalled ?H1N1″ vaccine two months before allegedly new ?H1N1″ outbreak in Mexico

Actually, alert it is true:

Homeless people die after bird flu vaccine trial in Poland
Three Polish doctors and six nurses are facing criminal prosecution after a number of homeless people died following medical trials for a vaccine to the H5N1 bird-flu virus.

By Matthew Day in Warsaw
Published: 4:37PM BST 02 Jul 2008

21 people died after being given the vaccine The medical staff, from the northern town of Grudziadz, are being investigated over medical trials on as many as 350 homeless and poor people last year, which prosecutors say involved an untried vaccine to the highly-contagious virus.

Authorities claim that the alleged victims received £1-2 to be tested with what they thought was a conventional flu vaccine but, according to investigators, was actually an anti bird-flu drug.


Related Articles
Polish Ponglish dialect arrives in England The director of a Grudziadz homeless centre, Mieczyslaw Waclawski, told a Polish newspaper that last year, 21 people from his centre died, a figure well above the average of about eight.

Although authorities have yet to prove a direct link between the deaths and the activities of the medical staff, Poland's health minister, Ewa Kopacz, has said that the doctors and nurses involved should not return to their profession.

"It is in the interests of all doctors that those who are responsible for this are punished," the minister added.

Investigators are also probing the possibility that the medical staff may have also have deceived the pharmaceutical companies that commissioned the trials.

The suspects said that the all those involved knew that the trial involved an anti-H5N1 drug and willingly participated.

The news of the investigation will come as another blow to the reputation of Poland's beleaguered and poverty-stricken national health service. In 2002, a number of ambulance medics were found guilty of killing their patients for commissions from funeral companies.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/poland/2235676/Homeless-people-die-after-bird-flu-vaccine-trial-in-Poland.html

Oh, wow. I can't believe I missed that. That's absolutely horrifying. I guess the thread should stay, but it is biased, and does mistake seasonal flu for pandemic.

Can we at least change the title to put the words "seasonal" and "pandemic" in so as not to accuse Novartis of causing the pandemic?
 
Last edited:
Re: Novartis recalled ?H1N1″ vaccine two months before allegedly new ?H1N1″ outbreak in Mexico

Re: Novartis recalled ?H1N1″ vaccine two months before allegedly new ?H1N1″ outbreak in Mexico

I can see how you missed it because it was not talked about very much. The governments wanted to keep it quiet so to speak.
 
Re: Novartis recalled ?H1N1″ vaccine two months before allegedly new ?H1N1″ outbreak in Mexico

Re: Novartis recalled ?H1N1″ vaccine two months before allegedly new ?H1N1″ outbreak in Mexico

The director of a Grudziadz homeless centre, Mieczyslaw Waclawski, told a Polish newspaper that last year, 21 people from his centre died, a figure well above the average of about eight.

Twenty one died from vaccines, or twenty died from all causes?

Eight died on average yearly, or eight died on average from vaccine tests?

There is no way to sort out the BS from the facts of this report.

I agree that it should not be given any credibility.

At a minimum, it should be pulled from the 2009 H1N1 FLU NEWS FORUM and moved to the Deliberation room.
 
Re: Novartis recalled Seasonal ?H1N1″ vaccine two months before allegedly new Pandemic ?H1N1″ outbreak in Mexico

There is some stories from the AFP on this bird flu vaccine. But they give no other info.
 
Re: Novartis recalled Seasonal ?H1N1″ vaccine two months before allegedly new Pandemic ?H1N1″ outbreak in Mexico

The first post in this thread is badly biased. The article(s) that Rwilmer posted in reply are not. I think I'm OK with this in a news forum, but I think the title of the thread should be changed.

Thank you for the change.

And maybe a disclaimer on the first article.
 
Last edited:
Re: Novartis recalled ?H1N1″ vaccine two months before allegedly new ?H1N1″ outbreak in Mexico

Re: Novartis recalled ?H1N1″ vaccine two months before allegedly new ?H1N1″ outbreak in Mexico

..........At a minimum, it should be pulled from the 2009 H1N1 FLU NEWS FORUM and moved to the Deliberation room.

I moved it to discussion forum. Sharon may want to move it a little deeper. However, if it's showing up in MSM, it may be good for FT to debunk it in the public forums.

If we leave it in the NEWS forum and some people just skim the site, they'll think it's credible. By saying it's in "discussion" it immediately implies it's questionable.

.
 
Re: Novartis recalled ?H1N1″ vaccine two months before allegedly new ?H1N1″ outbreak in Mexico

Re: Novartis recalled ?H1N1″ vaccine two months before allegedly new ?H1N1″ outbreak in Mexico

I moved it to discussion forum. Sharon may want to move it a little deeper. However, if it's showing up in MSM, it may be good for FT to debunk it in the public forums.

.

I think the only thing in MSM was the bad H5N1 vaccine, which appears to be at least partially true.

If the post that opened this thread is in MSM, then we do need to debunk it. The title of this thread will be very important.

I think there really was a recall on a seasonal H1N1 vaccine (post #2) and really was a bad H5N1 vaccine (post #4), but the first post is horrendously biased, and the two events don't have any link. There is a part of me that wants that post to be publicly viewable as an example of a biased source, as it is tough to outdo that one. If you asked me to write a biased article as an example, I couldn't do better than that one.

We've just scratch the surface on this one. It also contains this quote:

"Now, billions of people around the world face the prospect of a mandatory vaccination with unproven, toxic substances for a harmless virus that has been bioengineered to be lethal."

Wow.
 
Last edited:
Re: Novartis recalled Seasonal ?H1N1″ vaccine two months before allegedly new Pandemic ?H1N1″ outbreak in Mexico

Regarding the H5N1 vax of homeless people in Grudziadz - there is a legal case in progress. This is a terrible translation & I don't have time now to clean it up. The gist is that for the 3rd time they're trying to get a court hearing. I'm not that up on Polish law so I'm not sure how this fits into the process but it sounds preliminary to me.

What I'm seeing though is that the allegations are more about failure to obtain full consent - the people are saying they thought it was for regular flu & not H5N1, and also the general ethics of using homeless people desparate for money to participate in the studies (they were paid to do so). I'm so far not finding any reports linking the deaths to the vaccine or any indications that those deaths are part of the court proceedings in any way.

~hornblower



http://www.nowosci.com.pl/look/nowo...=1153&NrSection=1&NrArticle=142685&IdTag=1013


People respond grudziądzki clinics for performing medical treatments without the patient
wap, Monday, July 6, 2009


Today, for the third time toruński Court intends to commence the process of testing for the homeless from Grudziadz vaccines against avian influenza.

Previous attempts did not went up. First, a sudden illness of defenders. Then went to the hospital, one of the accused women who zasłynęły for all of Poland also by the fact that the court in the future perukach and przeciwsłonecznych large glasses, that they can not be identified on the photographs in newspapers.

Recall that in the dock to sit with the doctors and nurses a private grudziądzkich practice. The performance of the allegations made medical treatments without the consent of patients, Untruths credentials in the property and the negative regulation of the clinical trial sponsor.

That in 2007 in drug tests involving nearly 350 people from Grudziadz and neighborhoods, "News" wrote first. The case came to light when one of podopieczni local shelters for the homeless pokł?cili the money that they get from clinics for vaccination. The call for separation of interest to adventurers policemen vaccination clinic for which the money is paid to patients.

As established, the homeless participated in studies testing vaccines against avian influenza virus H5N1. After administration of subsequent doses, clinic patients pay a small amount of the title "flat-rate cost of access to vaccination."

According to the assurances of management institutions, all vaccinated test drug know that taking part in clinical trials. According to doctors carrying out tests, participation in them was completely safe, because it is registered in the United States and that market has already sold tens of millions of vaccines.

Two main defendants sought redemption process, believing that their actions do not have the characteristics of the offense and there is no evidence that there was a breach of the law. The court found, however, such applications as premature.
 
Re: Novartis recalled Seasonal ?H1N1″ vaccine two months before allegedly new Pandemic ?H1N1″ outbreak in Mexico

I'm so far not finding any reports linking the deaths to the vaccine or any indications that those deaths are part of the court proceedings in any way.

Thanks, that seems to be the most important finding in this case.
 
Re: Novartis recalled Seasonal ?H1N1″ vaccine two months before allegedly new Pandemic ?H1N1″ outbreak in Mexico

#13: " not finding any reports linking the deaths to the vaccine"

It was the oposite: because of many deaths of the homeless who gots such exp. vacc., the case poped up.

FT have somewhere past threads about, with the initial news texts, discussed also.

About #1, there was mixing of facts and non.


Human exp. are diferently conducted but obviously must be even more controled (about tampered animal vaccines we know some from news of public admited recalls: Egypt, etc).
 
Back
Top Bottom