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Mother and daughter's fiance both die of H1N1

Ronan Kelly

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O femeie de 42 de ani din Caracal, judeţul Olt, a murit, duminică dimineaţă, la Secţia de Terapie Intensivă a Spitalului Judeţean de Urgenţă Slatina, ea fiind confirmată cu virusul A/H1N1. A woman of 42 years of Caracal, Olt County, died Sunday morning, the Department of Intensive Care Emergency County Hospital Slatina, it was confirmed A/H1N1 virus.
51 O femeie confirmată cu virusul A/H1N1 a murit la Spitalul Judeţean de Urgenţă Slatina A woman confirmed A/H1N1 virus died at County Hospital Emergency Slatina
Directorul Direcţiei de Sănătate Publică Olt, Marinela Madan, a declarat, luni, că cel de-al patrulea deces din judeţ de la ?nceputul noului an sa ?nregistrat, duminică, ?n cazul unei paciente confirmate cu gripă nouă. Public Health Director River, Marinela Madan said Monday that the fourth death in the county since the beginning of the new year was recorded Sunday, when a nine patients with influenza confirmed.
"Este vorba despre o femeie de 42 de ani din Caracal, mama prietenei unui t?năr de 21 ani, mort ?n urmă cu c?teva zile, confirmat, de asemenea, cu virusul A/H1N1. Cei doi nu s-au ?mbolnăvit unul de la altul, ci au avut o sursă comună de la care au contractat virusul", a declarat Marinela Madan. "This is a woman of 42 years of Caracal, mother of a young friend of 21 years died a few days ago, confirmed also A/H1N1 virus. The two did not become ill from one another but had a common source from which they contracted the virus, "said Madan Marinela.
Potrivit sursei citate, femeia a fost adusă ?n stare gravă a doua zi de Crăciun la Spitalul Municipal Caracal. According to the same source, the woman was brought in serious condition two days of Christmas at City Hospital Caracal.

?n prezent, la Secţia de Terapie Intensivă a Spitalului Judeţean de Urgenţă Slatina se mai află internată o femeie ?n stare foarte gravă, urm?nd ca rezultatele probelor de laborator să ajungă, luni, de la Institutul Cantacuzino din Bucureşti. Currently, the Department of Intensive Care Emergency County Hospital Slatina longer a woman is hospitalized in very serious condition, following the results of laboratory tests to arrive Monday, the Cantacuzino Institute in Bucharest.

Este al patrulea caz de deces ?n cazul unor pacienţi cu gripă nouă, din judeţul Olt, ?n ultimele opt zile. It is the fourth event of death in some patients with influenza nine, Olt county in the last eight days.

Alte două persoane din judeţul Olt, o femeie din comuna Pleşoiu, ?n v?rstă de 69 de ani, şi un bărbat din localitatea Spr?ncenata, de 54 de ani, au murit din cauza gripei noi, ?n primele zile ale noului an. Two people in Olt County, a woman from the village Pleşoiu, aged 69 years, and one man in town eyebrows, 54, died from influenza in November, in the early days of the new year. Femeia de 69 de ani a murit ?n 3 ianuarie, iar pacientul de 54 de ani - ?n 4 ianuarie, rezultatele cu confirmarea virusului A/H1N1 de la Institutul ?Cantacuzino? sosind la spital după decesul celor două persoane. Woman of 69 years died January 3, and the patient of 54 years - January 4, confirming the results with A/H1N1 virus at the Institute "Cantacuzino" coming to the hospital after the death of two persons.

Un t?năr ?n v?rstă de 21 de ani din municipiul Caracal a murit ?n 7 ianuarie la Secţia de Terapie Intensivă a Spitalului Judeţean de Urgenţă Slatina, el fiind confirmat cu gripă de tip A/H1N1. A couple aged 21 years in city Caracal died January 7 at the Department of Intensive Care Emergency County Hospital Slatina, it was confirmed influenza A/H1N1.

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Nice find. I believe the above post is the one Niman is quoting. Obviously we should watch for clusters of severe or fatal cases, but we have seen a few where two deaths occur in the same family by chance alone in several other countries, including the US and India.
 
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The key factors here are:

Olt district: total area 5,498 km? - 489,274 population (density: 89 inhab/km2 - 60% rural)
Two towns, bigest: Slatina (79,171 population)

Since Jan, 1st until 10th (8 days) there were 9 confirmed cases AnH1N1 and four deaths, 2 of them same family.

Far from normal CFR.
 
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Re: Mother and daughter both die of H1N1

The key factors here are:

Olt district: total area 5,498 km? - 489,274 population (density: 89 inhab/km2 - 60% rural)
Two towns, bigest: Slatina (79,171 population)

Since Jan, 1st until 10th (8 days) there were 9 confirmed cases AnH1N1 and four deaths, 2 of them same family.

Far from normal CFR.

What do we know about H1N1 testing protocols and procedures?

It is possible that they are only testing and reporting severe cases such as those hospitalized, or those in intensive care. That sort of selective testing could produce an apparently high death rate such as the one you estimate.
 
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Just something worth pointing out. Three of the four deaths are people over age 40. I would suspect there are a lot of milder cases going around (H1N1 seems to spread faster in school children, for example), and only the sickest people might be getting tested.

It wouldn't surprise me if there were thousands, if not tens of thousands of H1N1 cases in that area (the total population there is about half a million).
 
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For a normal observed CFR between 0.03% - 0.05% you are going to need about 2,000 - 3,333 infected cases for every dead so:
8,000 - 13,332 cases in 8 days
from an optimist estimated of only 5% hospitalized rate: 400 - 666 hospitalized in 8 days,
but Olt only has 1 hospital at Slatina (79,171 population) and IMO such hospital can't cope with that.
So, if Romania didn't issue and international aid alert, then there are a lot less hospitalized cases and this imply a gross CFR.
 
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From this reports it seems that the fatalities were the mother and daughter's fiance. :tiphat: spentitall at RLFT


FOTOGALERIE swine flu of one family killed

Bogdan Marica,Simona Popa Bogdan Marica, Simona Popa
Marţi 12 ian 2010 Tuesday, January 12, 2010

Mama şi iubitul unei fete au murit de gripă porcină Mother and boyfriend a girl died of swine flu
Geanina Buţan (19 ani) şi-a pierdut, în numai câteva zile, mama şi logodnicul, ambii răpuşi de virusul A(H1N1). Geanina Bhutan (19 years) lost in a few days, mother and fiancé, both killed by the virus A (H1N1). „Am pierdut cele mai dragi persoane din viaţa mea. "I lost the dearest person in my life. Nu-mi vine să cred!" Au fost cuvintele pe care Geanina le-a rostit ieri, la înmormântarea mamei sale. I do not believe it! "They were words that Geanina he said yesterday at his mother's funeral.

Două dintre cele cinci victime răpuse de virusul gripei noi în judeţul Olt urmau să facă parte din aceeaşi familie. Two of the five victims killed the new influenza virus Olt County would be part of the same family.

Tânărul de 21 de ani ar fi devenit în curând ginerele femeii de 42 de ani a cărei înmormântare a avut loc ieri. The young man of 21 years would soon become the son-woman of 42 years whose funeral took place yesterday. Marinela Madan, directorul adjunct al Direcţiei de Sănătate Publică Olt, spune că niciunul dintre cei doi nu suferea de vreo altă boală şi că decesele au fost provocate de gripa porcină. Marinela Madan, Deputy Director of River Department of Public Health, said that none of these men suffer from any other disease and that deaths were caused by swine flu.


Mother and boyfriend a girl died of swine flu



„Femeia şi tânărul care urma să-i fie ginere s-au îmbolnăvit în aceeaşi perioadă. "The woman and young man who was to be my son fell ill during the same period. Evoluţia gripei noi a fost nefastă la ambii", a explicat aceasta. Evolution of influenza in November was bad at both, "explained it.

Geanina şi Ion Buţan acuză personalul Spitalului Municipal din Caracal de neprofesionalism în tratarea celor doi pacienţi. Geanina and John Bhutan Municipal Hospital staff accused of neprofesionalism Caracal in treating two patients.
O banală răceală care sa dovedit a fi fatală Ion, Verginica şi Geanina Buţan formau o familie fericită până acum două săptămâni. An ordinary flu that proved fatal to John, Vergina and Geanina Bhutan were a happy family until two weeks ago.
Cu câteva zile înainte de Crăciun, cei trei au contractat o răceală, care avea să fie fatală pentru mama tinerei. A few days before Christmas, the three have contracted a cold, which would be fatal for the young mother. "Am fost imediat la doctorul de familie, care ne-a prescris câteva medicamente: Nurofen forte şi încă unul, ce se mai dă pentru răceală", povesteşte Ion Buţan (46 ani), tatăl tinerei. "I was immediately family doctor, who has prescribed some medicines: Nurofen strengths and one, which is also given for colds," says John Bhutan (46 years), father of the young.
La câteva zile, imediat după Crăciun, starea fetei de 19 ani şi a mamei sale, Verginica, sa înrăutăţit. A few days immediately after Christmas, the state faces 19 years and his mother, Verginia, worsened. Văzând că cele două nu se simt bine, bărbatul a chemat Ambulanţa, femeile fiind transportate de urgenţă la spitalul din Caracal. Seeing that the two do not feel well, the man called the ambulance, emergency women being transported to hospital in Caracal. În acelaşi timp, iubitul Geaninei, Adrian Tăbârcă (21 ani) ajungea la spital cu aceleaşi simptome de răceală. Meanwhile, boyfriend Geanina Adrian Tabarcea (21 years) reached the hospital with the same symptoms of colds.
Ion Buţan susţine că personalul de la Spitalul din Caracal ia administrat soţiei sale doar glucoză şi clorură de sodiu, fără ai face alt tratament. Ion Bhutan claims that staff at the Hospital of Caracal has given his wife only glucose and sodium chloride, without making other treatment. „I-au pus o perfuzie cu glucoză. "They made an infusion of glucose. Atât. Both. Nu i-au dat niciun medicament, nimic, doar au hidratat-o. It gave no medicine, nothing, only they hydrated her. Abia a doua zi a venit un doctor şi a consultat-o, atunci au trecut-o pe ceva medicamente", susţine acesta. Only the next day a doctor came and found her, then passed it on some drugs, "he said.

Rezultatele analizelor, contradictorii The test results contradictory

Geanina Buţan, în schimb, şi-a revenit şi a fost externată. Geanina Bhutan, in contrast, recovered and was the hospital. Între timp, viitorul său soţ şi mama tinerei zăceau pe paturile spitalului. Meanwhile, her future husband and young mother lay on hospital beds. Rezultatele analizelor au demonstrat că iubitul fetei era infectat cu virusul A(H1N1). The test results showed that the beloved girl was infected with virus A (H1N1).

Verginica Buţan avea 42 de ani Verginica Bhutan have 42 years


Cu acest diagnostic a fost transportat de urgenţă, pe 29 decembrie, la Spitalul din Slatina. With this diagnosis was transported emergency on December 29, the Hospital of Slatina. Din păcate, iubitul Geaninei Buţan a murit pe 7 ianuarie. Unfortunately, her lover died Bhutan Geanina January 7. Surprinzător, analizele Verginicăi Buţan, efectuate imediat după internare de personalul Spitalului din Caracal, nu indicau faptul că aceasta ar suferi de gripă porcină. Surprisingly, analysis Verginicăi Bhutan, performed immediately after admission to hospital staff in Caracal, it indicated that it would suffer from the swine flu.

Abia al doilea rând de analize avea să scoată la iveală faptul că femeia era infectată cu virusul A(H1N1). Only second analysis was to reveal that the woman was infected with virus A (H1N1). "La o zi după, au trimis-o şi pe soţia mea la Slatina. Au urcat-o într-o Ambulanţă unde nici măcar nu era asistentă. Nici perfuzia nu i-au aşezat-o cum trebuie, de ia intrat serul sub piele şi i sa umflat mâna", povesteşte bărbatul. "The day after, they sent it and my wife in Slatina. They got her in an ambulance which was not even a nurse. Neither infusion did not put it right, and entered the serum under the skin and was swollen hand, "says the man. La Spitalul din Slatina avea să primească medicamentaţia împotriva gripei porcine, însă starea ei deja de agravase. Hospital in Slatina was to receive medication against swine flu but her condition already aggravated.

Geanina a scris pe www.adevarul.ro Geanina wrote on www.adevarul.ro

În acea zi, Geanina posta pe site-ul „Adevărul" un comentariu la articolul care anunţa internarea în stare gravă a mamei sale la spitalul din Slatina: On that day, Geanina posting on the website "truth" in a review article announcing the hospitalization of his mother's serious condition in hospital in Slatina:

"Normal ca a ajuns în stare gravă, dacă nu au ştiut să facă analizele. Femeia de 42 de ani e mami, iar când în Caracal i s-au făcut recoltările de probe pentru verificare de A(H1N1), soferul de pe Ambulanţă a aruncat toate probele la container. În prima fază, rezultatele au venit ca fiind negative, starea sa agravat şi sa cerut un nou rând de probe, care ulterior sa dovedit a fi pozitiv. Deci cine e de vină? Oare doar gripa sau şi inconştienţa medicilor şi a personalului din spitale?". "Of course I arrived in serious condition, if they knew how to do analysis. A woman of 42 years is Mommy, and when the Caracal and have been sampling for screening of A (H1N1), the driver of the ambulance discarded all evidence to the container. First, the results came as negative, her condition worsened and asked a new line of evidence, which later proved to be positive. So who's to blame? Is just the flu or unconsciousness and doctors and staff in hospitals? ".

La doar o zi de la înmormântarea lui Adrian, pe 8 ianuarie, Verginica Buţan a murit pe patul de spital, în Slatina. Just one day after the funeral of Adrian, on January 8, Vergina Bhutan died on hospital bed in Slatina. "Eram şi noi o familie fericită. Geanina intrase la Facultatea de Biologie din Bucureşti. Adi era un băiat bun, mi-a plăcut întotdeauna de el. Acum ce ne facem?", ne-a spus ieri Ion Buţan. "We were and we a happy family. Geanina entered the Faculty of Biology, Bucharest. Adi was a good boy, I always liked him. Now what do we do?" Told us yesterday Ion Bhutan.

Replica medicilor Replica doctors

Conducerea Spitalului din Caracal susţine că Verginica Buţan a fost tratată corespunzător. Hospital Management Caracal claims that Verginica Bhutan was treated accordingly. „Am încredere în personalul spitalului pe care îl conduc. "I trust the hospital staff they lead. Sunt oameni cu experienţă, care sigur şi-au făcut datoria. They are experienced people who have certainly done their duty. Toate analizele pentru A(H1N1) se fac la Bucureşti şi depind de buna organizare a Serviciului de Ambulanţă. All analysis for A (H1N1) in Bucharest and are dependent on good organization of ambulance service. Uneori poate să dureze şi două-trei zile. Sometimes it may take two to three days. Când un caz nu mai depinde de noi, îl trimitem la Slatina", a declarat dr Radu Liviu, directorul medical al Spitalului Municipal din Caracal. When an event not up to us, you send in Slatina, "said Dr. Radu Liviu, medical director of the Municipal Hospital of Caracal.
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Oficialul european spune că directorii companiilor farmaceutice au iniţiat o „campanie de panică" care a determinat Organizaţia Mondială a Sănătăţii să declare pandemie. Acesta a demarat deja o anchetă pe această temă şi susţine că avem de-a face cu „unul dintre cele mai mari scandaluri din industria farmaceutică ale secolului". The European official said that the directors of pharmaceutical companies have initiated a "campaign of panic" which led the World Health Organization to declare the pandemic. It has already started a survey on the issue and argues that we are dealing with "one of the largest pharmaceutical industry scandals of the century.

„Toni Tecuceanu a luat un alt virus periculos în spital" "Toni Tecuceanu took another dangerous virus in the hospital"

Paul Tecuceanu (în medalion) susţine că fratele său nu a murit de gripă porcină Foto: Maria Lazăr Pop Paul Tecuceanu (the medallion) claims that his brother has died of swine flu Author: Maria Lazar Pop



Paul Tecuceanu, fratele lui Toni, fost membru al „Cronicii Cârcotaşilor" susţine că fratele lui a contractat un alt virus decât A(H1N1) cât timp era internat, foarte puternic, a cărui denumire a uitat-o. Toni Tecuceanu a murit în urmă cu o săptămână în Institutul de Boli Infecţioase „Matei Balş", după ce a fost internat mai multe zile cu diagnosticul de gripă A(H1N1). Paul Tecuceanu, Toni's brother, former member of the "Chronicle Commercials' claims that his brother contracted a virus other than A (H1N1) while he was hospitalized, strong, whose name has forgotten it. Toni died Tecuceanu ago a week in the Institute of Infectious Diseases "Matei Bals" after being hospitalized for several days with a diagnosis of influenza A (H1N1).
„Despre acest virus, luat din spital, mi-au spus două doamne doctor, una de la Terapie Intensivă şi una dintre cele care îi urmăreau tratamentul. "On the virus taken from the hospital, my doctor said two ladies, one of the intensive care and one of them sought treatment. Era o denumire latinească parcă, dar nu mi-o mai amintesc. It was a name latinească like, but remember me. Sunt convins că medicii de acolo au făcut tot posibilul pentru a-mi salva fratele, însă nu înţeleg de ce virusul nou nu apare pe nici-unul din documentele medicale ale lui Toni", ne-a declarat Paul Tecuceanu. I am convinced that doctors there have done everything possible to save my brother, but do not understand why new virus does not appear on any one of Toni's medical documents, "said Paul Tecuceanu us.
Acesta îşi mai aminteşte că medicii i-au mai spus că în ultimele zile l-au pus pe Toni Tecuceanu la perfuzii cu medicamente foarte tari, aduse din SUA, pentru a combate noul pericol, însă nu reuşeau să-i scadă deloc temperatura. He also recalled that their doctors have said that in recent days have placed on Toni Tecuceanu the infusion of very strong medicines, to the U.S. to combat the new threat, but managed to fall at all temperatures.
„Nu cumva acest virus la omorât?" "I somehow kill this virus?"

„La un moment dat, o doamnă doctor de la ATI ma chemat în birou la ea şi mi-a spus că s-ar putea ca noua infecţie să ajungă la rinichii lui Toni. "At one point, a lady doctor from ATI called me into her office and told me that it could reach the new kidney infection Toni. Mă întreb dacă nu cumva acest virus la omorât pe fratele meu", se întreabă Paul, care na primit până acum niciun răspuns. I wondered if this virus killed my brother, asks Paul, who has not so far received no response.
Fratele actorului îşi aminteşte că, în ultima zi de viaţă a lui Toni, doctorii i-au spus că intenţionau să-i facă noi investigaţii, anume o bronhoscopie şi o tomografie computerizată. Actor brother recalls that the last day of Toni's life, doctors told him that I intend to make further investigations, namely a bronchoscopy and a computed tomography scan.

„Mi-au zis chiar că, dacă e nevoie, vor interveni chirurgical. "I just said that, if necessary, will intervene surgically. Na mai fost timp de nimic, pentru că a doua zi dimineaţă, fratele meu a murit", îşi aminteşte ruda acestuia. El ne-a infirmat zvonul potrivit căruia Toni Tecuceanu s-ar fi vaccinat înainte de a se îmbolnăvi. Never been for nothing, because the next morning, my brother died, "recalls his relative. He has denied rumors that the Tecuceanu Toni would be vaccinated before they become ill.
Paul a încercat să afle după deces, la autopsie, dacă virusul misterios a fost cel care ia ucis fratele: „L-am întrebat pe autopsier: Toni a murit din cauza infecţiei? Paul tried to find out after death, the autopsy, where was the mysterious virus that killed his brother: "I asked Senior: Toni died of infection? Mi-a zis că nu se va şti decât după analiza la microscop, care va fi gata peste trei săptămâni". Fratele rămas în viaţă ne-a precizat că nu acuză pe nimeni, el vrea să afle răspunsul la câteva întrebări. He said he will not know until after the analysis under a microscope, which will be done over three weeks. "Alive brother said that we accuse anyone, he wants to know the answer to some questions.
Adrian Streinu-Cercel, directorul Institutului „Matei Balş", ne-a declarat că infecţia cu virusul A(H1N1) a atras suprainfecţii bacteriene cu mai mulţi bacili care s-au instalat la nivelul plămânului. „Nu ştiu să fi fost vorba de un virus anume, contractat în spital", ne-a spus medicul. Adrian Streinu-Cercel, director of the Institute "Matei Bals", told us that infection with virus A (H1N1) drew bacterial superinfections with several bacteria that have been installed in the lung. "I know there have been a specific virus, contracted in hospital, the doctor told us.
Cât despre analiza la microscop, secretarul de stat Streinu - Cercel a explicat că ea se face pentru a se vedea cum a evoluat boala la nivel celular. As for analysis under a microscope, Secretary of State Streinu - Earring explained that it is to see how developed the disease at the cellular level.
"Toni Tecuceanu a murit din cauza mai multor complicaţii provocate de virusul A(H1N1), ultima din ele fiind cea de la nivelul inimii. Muşchiul inimii nu a fost oxigenat suficient şi aşa a făcut miocardită. Aceste amănunte nu apar pe certificatul de deces, pentru că diagnosticul anatomo-patologic (nr, cel care se stabileşte la deces) este altceva decât diagnosticul clinic", a declarat prof. Streinu -Cercel "Toni Tecuceanu died of multiple complications caused by virus A (H1N1), the last of them from the heart. Oxygenated heart muscle was not enough and he did myocarditis. Such details do not appear on death certificate, for the anatomic-pathologic diagnosis (No one who is determined to death) is nothing but a clinical diagnosis, "said Professor Streinu-Cercel

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Re: Mother and daughter's fiance both die of H1N1

Many people suffered from swİne flu and some people (İncludİng chİldren) paİd wİth theİr lİves. Thİs global dİsaster must be stopped before turnİng İnto a real nİghtmare.
 
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we need the sequences.

two related (but not genetically related) people dying
when only ~20 per million die usually should be reason
enough to examine.

that's only 1 expected examination per ~100M population,
if deaths happen randomly ! (assuming 25 related people per person)
 
Re: Mother and daughter's fiance both die of H1N1

These translations are confusing... as best as I can tell:

Vergina (mother) died
John Bhutan (father, husband)
Geanina Bhutan (daughter, girlfriend of Adrian) sick but recovered
Adrian Tabarcea (boyfriend) died
The women were given some sort of meds at home but were hosptialized when their conditions continued to worsen.
Apparently by the time they diagnosed Vergina, it was too late.


Toni Tecuceanu died; but has no connection to the others.
He appears to have been an actor and his death is getting some attention due to the diagnosis.
This is from Toni's brother, Paul:

http://www.bucharestherald.com/dail...rtea-fratelui-meu-o-manipulare-fara-scrupule-

[snips]
"Now, after Toni died, all Romanians rushed into hospitals to get the vaccine. People are talking about the 'Tecuceanu Phenomenon'... Is it really a phenomenon or an unscrupulous manipulation?" Paul Tecuceanu wonders. "Something doesn't add up! The information I got is contradictory," the actor's brother said in a post on the blog owned by 'Baby' Oana, a former colleague of Toni's at 'Cronica Carcotasilor'.

The bad news is that he got another virus.' We knew about it, a few days ago we were told he had got this virus, a hospital virus, they called it, a virus he supposedly got because of the ventilation machine. The ventilation was running at high parameters, these machines help you breathe, but cause different things. The virus was extremely strong, I can't remember its medical name now, and was very resistant to some of the strongest drugs currently available in the world," (Possibly MRSA?)

"In the days when Toni was held at Matei Bals Institute in the ICU, doctors told me that besides his lungs, his other organs were not affected. But after the autopsy they told me all organs had been affected," the message on the blog reads.

"The day my brother died, doctors told me the death was most likely caused by a heart attack. Then, after the autopsy, I asked what the cause of the death was. I was told they didn't know for sure and that in official documents, they wrote 'acute cardiac and respiratory insufficiency, acute bilateral bronchopneumopathy and second -degree obesity.' I asked about the heart attack... 'You can find out the cause of death in three weeks, after we've analyzed everything in the microscope. If there was a heart attack, we'll see it with the microscope,' was the strange answer I got.
 
Re: Mother and daughter's fiance both die of H1N1

I feel bad for the poor woman who lost both her mother and fiance. The repeated mention of superinfections and hospital virus make me suspect that some kind of staph or strep bacterial infection was present in the hospital that caused the two linked fatalities, although it does seem like it might be the unrelated actor, Toni, who got a superinfection, especially in light of:

"Marinela Madan, Deputy Director of River Department of Public Health, said that none of these men suffer from any other disease and that deaths were caused by swine flu "

But the initial misdiagnosis and lack of treatment ("they only gave her glucose and sodium chloride") wouldn't help.
 
Re: Mother and daughter's fiance both die of H1N1

I didn't look at a map; but I think they might have been in different hospitals.

At first the mother, daughter and boyfriend were all at the same hospital in Caracal and then the mother and daughter were transferred to a hospital in Slatina.

Toni, the actor, was in Institute of Infectious Diseases "Matei Bals". But he says:
"On the virus taken from the hospital, my doctor said two ladies, one of the intensive care and one of them sought treatment."
Was the doctor telling him about the mother and daughter having the same "hospital" virus?
 
Re: Mother and daughter's fiance both die of H1N1

I think all the references to "hospital virus" and superinfection are to the unrelated celebrity, Toni, not to either the mother or the fiance. I don't think either of those two are believed to have a co-infection, but certainly a co-infection like staph or strep would help explain this.
 
Re: Mother and daughter's fiance both die of H1N1

I didn't look at a map; but I think they might have been in different hospitals.

At first the mother, daughter and boyfriend were all at the same hospital in Caracal and then the mother and daughter were transferred to a hospital in Slatina.

Tony, the actor, was in Institute of Infectious Diseases "Matei Bals". But he says: Was the doctor telling him about the mother and daughter having the same "hospital" virus?

Hi, mixin: :tiphat:
Institute of Infectious Diseases "Matei Bals" is in Bucharest. Mother, daughter and boyfriend never were hospitalized out of Olt District. Distance from Slatina to Bucharest by road is 221 km (around 3h travel time).

The actor case and these cases are not crosslinked at anytime.
 
Re: Mother and daughter's fiance both die of H1N1

Thanks Estacion. I wondered if the hospitals were close enough that the doctor might have heard about the mother and daughter. With them being that far apart, he must have been talking about 2 women in his hospital, then.
 
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