• FluTrackers.com Inc. does not provide medical advice. Information on this web site is collected from various internet resources, and the FluTrackers board of directors makes no warranty to the safety, efficacy, correctness or completeness of the information posted on this site by any author or poster. The information collated here is for instructional and/or discussion purposes only and is NOT intended to diagnose or treat any disease, illness, or other medical condition. Every individual reader or poster should seek advice from their personal physician/healthcare practitioner before considering or using any interventions that are discussed on this website. By continuing to access this website you agree to consult your personal physican before using any interventions posted on this website, and you agree to hold harmless FluTrackers.com Inc., the board of directors, the members, and all authors and posters for any effects from use of any medication, supplement, vitamin or other substance, device, intervention, etc. mentioned in posts on this website, or other internet venues referenced in posts on this website.
  • We are not asking for any donations. Do not donate to any entity who says they are raising funds for us.

Migrating flocks not carrying bird flu, scientists report

Theresa42

Well-known member
Migrating flocks not carrying bird flu, scientists report
By Elisabeth Rosenthal International Herald Tribune
WEDNESDAY, MAY 10, 2006

ROME - The flocks of migratory birds that winged their way south to Africa last autumn and then back over Europe in recent weeks did not carry the H5N1 flu virus or spread it during their annual journey, scientists have concluded, defying health officials' dire predictions.

International health officials had feared that the disease was likely to spread to Africa during the winter migration and return to Europe with a vengeance during the reverse migration this spring. That has not happened - a significant finding for Europe, because it is far easier to monitor a virus that exists domestically on farms, but not in nature.

"It is quiet now in terms of cases, which is contrary to what many people had expected," said Ward Hagemeijer, an avian influenza specialist with Wetlands International, an environmental group based in the Netherlands that studies migratory birds.

In thousands of samples collected in Africa this winter, H5N1 was not detected in a single wild bird, officials and scientists said. In Europe, there have been only a handful of cases detected in wild birds since April 1, at the height of the northward migration.

The number of cases in Europe has decreased so dramatically compared to February, when dozens of new cases were found daily, that experts believe the northward spring migration played no role. There was one grebe in Denmark on April 28 - the last case - as well as a falcon in Germany and a few swans in France, according to the World Organization for Animal Health, based in Paris.

In response to the good news, agriculture officials in many European countries have this month lifted restrictions designed to protect valuable domestic poultry from infected wild birds.

In the first week in May, both the Netherlands and Switzerland rescinded mandates that poultry be kept indoors. Austria has loosened similar regulation and France is considering doing so, as farmers (and their poultry) chafe under the restrictions of indoor life as the weather warms.

The February cases in Europe were attributed to infected wild birds that traveled west to avoid severe cold in Russia and Central Asia but apparently never carried the virus on to Africa.

The international scientists who had issued the prior warnings are perplexed, unsure if their preventive measures - like intensive surveillance and eliminating contact between poultry and wild birds - helped defuse a time bomb, or if nature simply granted the reprieve. And they warn that H5N1 could return to Europe in the future.

"Is it like Y2K, where also nothing happened?" asked Juan Lubroth, a senior veterinary official at the UN Food and Agriculture Organization in Rome, referring to the expected computer failures as the year 1999 turned to 2000. "Perhaps it is because it was not as bad as we feared, or perhaps it is because people took the right measures."

Still, he and others say, the lack of wild bird cases in Europe only underscores how little is understood about the virus.

"Maybe we will be lucky and this virus will just die out in the wild," Lubroth said. "But maybe it will come back strong next year. We just don't have the answers."

The feared H5N1 bird flu virus does not now spread among humans, although scientists are worried it may acquire that ability through natural processes, setting off a worldwide flu pandemic. The less bird flu is present in nature and domestically on farms, the less likely it is for this evolution to occur, they say.

Worldwide, it has killed about 200 humans, almost all people who were in extremely close contact with sick birds.

Specialists from Wetlands International, who were deputized by the Food and Agriculture Organization, sampled 7,500 African wild birds last winter in their search for the disease. They found no H5N1, Hagemeijer said, so it is not surprising that H5N1 did not return to Europe with the spring migration.

While avian influenza has become a huge problem in domestic poultry on farms in a few African countries, like Egypt, Nigeria and Sudan, experts increasingly suspect that it was introduced there through imported infected poultry and poultry products.

Hagemeijer thinks that the virus's strength among wild birds may have weakened as the southward migration season progressed - a trait common in less dangerous avian influenza viruses, he said. That probably limited its spread to Africa, he said.

H5N1 is the most deadly of a large family of avian influenza viruses, most of which produce only minor illness in birds.

Many avian influenza viruses are picked up by migratory birds in their nesting places in northern lakes during the summer and autumn breeding season. As the months pass, the viruses show a decreasing pattern of spread and contamination.

"So it tends to be mostly a north-to-south spread, and then it wanes," he said.


Still, this means that the cycle could well start again this summer, if the H5N1 virus - which can live for long periods in water - has persisted in those breeding areas. Many bird specialists believe that a small number of wetland lakes in Central Asia and Russia may harbor the H5N1 virus all the time, serving as the origin of European and Central Asian infections.

In fact, so much remains uncertain about the path of the virus that the European Union and some countries, like Germany, have decided to keep at least some precautions in place. Germany this week extended a law, due to expire May 15, that keeps poultry inside if they live near wetlands or in other areas that have had bird flu cases.

"There is still no systematic risk assessment - we've tested thousands of birds, but really tens of thousands need to be tested," Hagemeijer said.

Scientists still do not know which birds carry the virus silently and which die from it quickly, or also how it typically spreads from wild bird to wild bird, or between wild birds and poultry.

At the Beijing donor conference sponsored by the World Bank, $1.9 billion was pledged. "But none of it was for researching the role of wild birds," Hagemeijer said. "It was all for stockpiling Tamiflu" - the anti-viral drug for use against bird flu.

The disappearance of the virus from wild birds in Europe would be important, nonetheless, because it is easier to monitor a virus that exists only on farms.

Farm-based outbreaks of avian influenza are still occurring constantly in a number of countries, although not in Europe. The Ivory Coast had its first outbreak of bird flu, on a farm, last week.

But other countries, like Turkey, have made good progress in containing the disease among poultry, Lubroth said. He added that he hoped that quick measures to limit outbreaks had reduced its spread in Africa.

After the disease was found on farms in Nigeria in January, most experts expected it would spread rapidly among farms and into wild birds in the region. Apparently, it did not.

"Why didn't it sweep up the coast from Niger, to Benin and Senegal and back up through Europe? Why didn't it hit Africa's big lakes?" Lubroth asked.

"All we have are a few snapshots of the virus. What we need is a movie of its life cycle."

http://www.iht.com/articles/2006/05/10/news/flu.php
 
Wetlands Int'l surveys...?

Wetlands Int'l surveys...?

In thousands of samples collected in Africa this winter, H5N1 was not detected in a single wild bird, officials and scientists said....

Specialists from Wetlands International, who were deputized by the Food and Agriculture Organization, sampled 7,500 African wild birds last winter in their search for the disease. They found no H5N1, Hagemeijer said, so it is not surprising that H5N1 did not return to Europe with the spring migration.
Anybody know more about these surveys done by the Wetlands International folks? What sort of birds did they test? Where? When? Were they dead or alive? I found a tid-bit of info [below] but not much.

Frankly, 7,500 samples from the millions of wild birds in Africa doesn't sound like a very large sample....

From the Avian Influenza & Wild Birds Bulletin
A summary report of the Scientific Seminar on Avian Influenza, the Environment and Migratory Birds
April 14, 2006

Addressing FAO?s activities on wild bird surveillance in Africa, Vincent Martin, FAO, said that FAO, with support from other partners, initiated five regional technical cooperation programmes (TCPs) in November 2005 as a proactive response to HPAI. He noted that these programmes aim to enhance local knowledge and capacity with regard to epidemiology, wildlife surveillance and laboratory diagnostics.

Martin discussed the West African TCP, which focuses on the Senegal, Niger and Chad River basins for active surveillance using a quick risk assessment process. He noted that as these river basins are significant wetlands with large congregations of wild birds in proximity to poultry, they are potential sites for the introduction of the H5N1 virus into West Africa.

Observing that H5N1 was not detected in 3500 samples taken in Chad, Mali, Ethiopia and Morocco, Martin highlighted the constraints of wild bird surveillance noting that it is resource intensive. He called for training in capture and sampling techniques in addition to collaboration within different government departments.

Martin emphasized the need to analyze surveillance results, review surveillance protocols and enhance understanding of migratory patterns within Africa, including through ringing and examining wetlands dynamics as environmental triggers for migration.

http://www.iisd.ca/download/pdf/sd/ymbvol123num1e.pdf
 
Re: Migrating flocks not carrying bird flu, scientists report

If they have tested thousands of samples, they should have hundreds of positives for low path avian influenza (LPAI). Without positive data on LPAI, the negative data on H5N1 simply shows that the testing and reporting agencies are clueless (along with the reporters reporting the nonsense).
 
Re: Migrating flocks not carrying bird flu, scientists report

There have been some bird groups that have been denouncing Migratory Birds as the main spreader of H5N1 Avian Influenza.

I am wondering where Wetlands International stands on the issue. If they stand on the side of the argument that migratory birds are not the culprit than having them collect the samples would bring into question both their motives and FAO's.

http://list.uvm.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0602d&L=safety&D=1&P=8534
AVIAN INFLUENZA, POULTRY VS MIGRATORY BIRDS (04)
************************************************
A ProMED-mail post
< http://www.promedmail.org>
ProMED-mail is a program of the
International Society for Infectious Diseases
< http://www.isid.org>

[1]
Date: 26 Feb 2006
From: ProMED-mail <[log in to unmask]>
Source: The Himalayan Times Online, 25 Feb 2006 [edited]
< http://www.thehimalayantimes.com/fullstory.asp?filename=6a4Ra5sa.
9amal&folder=aHaoamW&Name=Home&dtSiteDate=20060225 >


Wild birds not to blame for avian flu: experts
----------------------------------------------
Avian conservationists and related organizations have stated that the logic that migratory birds are the main cause of avian influenza is hollow.
"The current avian flu crisis is exclusively blamed on migratory birds. These may not be the sole carrier of the disease in all cases. We believe that unrestricted movement of poultry could be a major factor in the spread of this disease in countries where monitoring is weak," said Dr Hem Sagar Baral, ornithologist and chief executive of Bird Conservation Nepal (BCN).

In a press statement, Dr Baral demanded an investigation into the issue."In [the] face of lack of scientific evidence that avian flu is spread by migratory birds, there is a grave danger that people will take such statements negatively against wild birds. A thorough investigation into this is needed. "By continuing to focus only on bird migrations, other mechanisms and paths for contamination are being overlooked, and effective protection measures are being ignored. Just because wild migratory birds were found to be infected, they were labeled the authors of the crime. However, as in any normal investigation, all clues should be considered and all evidence collected," said a joint statement issued by the United Nations Environment Program (UNEP) and Royal Society for Protection of Birds (RSPB).

"In the case of migratory birds carrying the virus, it would have been noticed much earlier. Why such a hiatus if an infected bird normally releases the virus within a couple of weeks of infection?" queried Dr Taej Mundkur, an ornithologist from Wetlands International, in the same statement.

Also, there seems to be little correlation between the predominantly north-south orientation of flyways and the southeast to northwest
path by which the virus has spread from South ast Asia to Eastern Europe, according to the statement. "Why are certain countries on migratory routes not vulnerable while others outside these corridors are being affected?

In what other ways can the virus be spread," Dr. Mundkur asked.
"There is also a need to understand which species are carriers, and which ones don't contract the virus. Also, amongst those subject to
infection, it is important to differentiate between those that do not survive, and have, therefore, a limited capability to spread the virus, and the asymptomatic carriers whose role in the transmission of the virus needs to be further explored," read the statement. "The proximity of migratory birds to poultry is the outcome of incorrect planning and faulty development, which have caused the sharing of important habitats for migratory birds -- like wetlands -- between wildlife and farms, with the obvious consequences that we are now experiencing," the statement quoted Robert Hepworth, executive secretary to the Convention on Migratory Species (CMS).

Bird Conservation Nepal asked the government to follow the best veterinary advice concerning issues such as confinement of free-ranging flocks and vaccination, to continue with thorough surveillance of wild birds throughout the year, to collect as much information as possible on any confirmed incidents, to provide sound and reliable public information,especially concerning the risks (which remain extremely small) of people catching bird flu from activities such as bird watching, and to continue to oppose calls to cull wild birds, or destroy wetlands.
 
Re: Migrating flocks not carrying bird flu, scientists report

Everyone has an agenda.

Even us.

Our agenda is to reduce morbidity and mortality.

What is Wetlands International agenda?
 
Re: Migrating flocks not carrying bird flu, scientists report

Bird flu epidemic reach its' peak in february well after the fall migration.

It take time for a new virus spread by few migratory fowl to reach the epidemic level after the first "inoculation".

This spring migration can bring us epidemic situation in july and august.
It's just too early to think the battle is won.

Some assessment in theses articles are just speculation, and they built on this to picture-out this happy-end.

I hope they are right but don't beleive it at all.

Time will tell
 
Re: Migrating flocks not carrying bird flu, scientists report

This is just another chapter in the continuing saga of Conservationist's deliberate lies and deceit regarding the Main Global Infection Vector of H5N1.


Wetlands International

Conserving wetlands for people and wildlife
Wetlands International, the world's leading non-profit wetland conservation organisation, was created by the integration of the Asian Wetland Bureau, the International Waterfowl and Wetlands Research Bureau, and Wetlands for the Americas. The achievements of the founding organisations date back 40 years, and include the launch of (and support to) the Ramsar Convention, major regional surveys and conservation programmes for wetlands and wetland species, and the development of international programmes for migratory waterbird conservation.

Sound technical information is the basis for Wetlands International's work, which includes co-ordinating conservation, management and assessment projects at international level, providing technical and fundraising support to national and local projects, and helping to build the capacity of relevant agencies. Wetlands International produces a wide range of publications and awareness materials, and organises numerous workshops, training courses and conferences each year.

Wetlands International's global network provides rapid access to wetland conservation specialists throughout the world. Together with the staff of the organisation's 18 regional and project offices, they provide a unique force to support wetland conservation activities. Partnership is at the heart of Wetlands International, and strong links exist with other international conservation agencies such as IUCN, WWF and BirdLife International, and the secretariats of the Ramsar and Bonn Conventions. Global and regional programmes are supported by over 120 government agencies, NGOs, foundations, development agencies and private sector groups.

For further information please contact the appropriate regional office:

Wetlands International
Asia Pacific
3A39, 4th Floor, Block A Lobby C, Kelana Centre Point, No. 3, Jalan SS7/19, Kelana Jaya, 47301 Petaling Jaya, Selangor, Malaysia
Tel: +60 3 704 6770
Fax: +60 3 704 6772
Email: wiap@wiap.nasionet.net Wetlands International


Africa, Europe, Middle East
Droevendaalsesteeg 3a
PO Box 7002
6700 CA Wageningen
The Netherlands
Tel: +31 317 47 8884
Fax: +31 317 47 8885
Email: post@wetlands.agro.nl Wetlands International


The Americas
7 Hinton Avenue North
Suite 200
Ottawa, Ontario K1Y 4P1
Canada
Tel: +1 613 792 1561
Fax: +1 613 722 3318
Email: davidson@wetlands.org
 
Re: Migrating flocks not carrying bird flu, scientists report

What I find very asinine is that FAO has tasked Wetlands International with the job of collecting samples.

It appears Wetlands International agenda is to disprove that H5N1 is spread via migratory birds yet they are the ones who are collecting the samples to find if H5N1 is spreading via migratory birds.

Isn't this a classic case of 'conflict of interest'?
 
Re: Migrating flocks not carrying bird flu, scientists report

DB said:
What I find very asinine is that FAO has tasked Wetlands International with the job of collecting samples.

It appears Wetlands International agenda is to disprove that H5N1 is spread via migratory birds yet they are the ones who are collecting the samples to find if H5N1 is spreading via migratory birds.

Isn't this a classic case of 'conflict of interest'?


Good point, it's a
cause for concern
(sorry Dr.Niman I stole this one from you)
 
Re: Migrating flocks not carrying bird flu, scientists report

The agenda of Welands International has been obvious since the outbreak in Mongolia was announced. The went to Erhel Lake and confirmed that wild birds had died, but said it was not H5N1 because not enough birds were dead. Then when H5 was confirmed, they said it was not H5N1 because not enough birds were dead. Then when H5N1 was confirmed they said it was not a problem because many birds were healthy and all birds that they tested were negative. When Mongolia said there were dead birds in almost every province, wetlands moved on to Europe.

When reporting was slow coming out of Europe, they said H5N1 wasn't in migratory birds because no one was reporting positives. When H5N1 was found in Nigeria they said it couldn't be migratory birds because if migratory birds were H5n1 positive, the Egypt would have positives. Within 48 hours Egypt reported widespread H5N1.

The story goes on and on. They generate as many false negatives as possible (and fail to detect low path also confirming that the data they generate is pure garbage), and the feed it to any gullible reporter (including NY Times and National Geographic), who will publish the nonsense.
 
Re: Migrating flocks not carrying bird flu, scientists report

http://www.recombinomics.com/News/08180505/H5_Mongolia_Confirmed.html

H5 Wild Bird Flu Confirmed in Mongolia

Recombinomics Commentary

August 18, 2005

"We found it was H5 influenza," Karesh told Reuters in a telephone interview.

But only about 100 of the 6,500 birds on the lake, representing 55 different species, had died, he added.

"Sure enough, birds were dying," Karesh said. They sampled some of the dead swans, geese and gulls, and also collected samples from healthy birds.

But the jury is out on wild birds as being major spreaders of the virus, Karesh said.

The above comments confirm that H5 wild bird flu has been detected in Mongolia. In the initial OIE report, only influenza A was noted. It seems likely that the H5 in Mongolia will be closely related to the H5N1 at Qinghai Lake, Chany Lake, and across southern Siberia (see map).

In the past H5N2 and H5N3 have been isolated from Chany Lake and Primorie in southern Russia. However, the earlier isolates were low pathogenicity and the HA cleave site was a typical LPAI site. In contrast the all sequences reported for H5N1 from Qinghai Lake and Chany Lake were HPAI. Usually waterfowl are resistant to H5N1. In Vietnam 70% of the ducks in the Mekong Delta are H5N1 positive, but they are asymptomatic. The H5N1 that migrated form Qinghai Lake to Chany Lake to the Urals could kill domestic ducks and geese. However, the WHO report indicated the infections were via common drinking water and ducks can more easily pollute a small pond than a large lake.

At Qinghai Lake the die off was said to be without precedent with over 6000 birds dying. However, the vast majority of the dead birds were bar headed geese, so the frequency of death was markedly lower for other species even though four other species were cited in the Qinghai OIE report. The species listed above are similar to those that died at Qinghai lake, but the transmission route clearly shows that the H5N1 was moved by migratory birds, The sequences of H5N1 at Qinghai Lake and Chany lake are very closely related, and the extension of the die-off across southern Siberia and northern Kazakhstan matched the migratory path of birds across sparsely populated regions, especially in Kazakhstan,

The migration period is just beginning for Qinghai Lake and Chany Lake, so the number of H5N1 infections should increase as migratory birds move H5N1 across Asia, Europe, and beyond.

Map

Media Resources
 
Re: Migrating flocks not carrying bird flu, scientists report

Without question, Wetland International will later be condemned for their position. They have led to a dulling of the public's focus away from the single risk.

Sadly, FAO is a mere talking head in this area, with an incapable staff in the first place (recall the interviews of the WHO and FAO local "officials"? incompetents taking obscure jobs in 3rd world countries, probably at low pay).

Their choice of Wetlands International is the old story of vested interests remaining vested. W.I. has been unable to separate the advocacy of wetlands from the risk to the public of an illness now primary carried by wild birds. It's not an easy task, to beg money for acquisition and maintenance of breeding areas which breed a deadly disease, if it is undertaken by the unimaginative. That's what's there. Hence, their resistance and errors which are compounding and of no service to the public, never mind to themselves.

Allow this to be added to the page of condemnation for their decision that to save their mission and their jobs they must challenge and discount what's obvious to all rational people.
 
Re: Migrating flocks not carrying bird flu, scientists report

Well I am glad we got that cleared up.

Wetlands International has a history of not reporting H5N1 bird flu in areas that have H5N1 bird flu and Wetlands International has being tasked with collecting samples to look for H5N1 by FAO.

So in case anyone is wondering in regards to H5N1 this means that FAO is an empty shell surrounded by a ballon of hot air.

Basically it is worthless.
 
Re: Migrating flocks not carrying bird flu, scientists report

Yeah -- the more I read about this, the more these Wetlands guys seem to be talking pure BS. I'd like to see their numbers -- or a report from them -- not just some random quotes in the press. They need to put up or shut up.

This guy from the FAO, Vincent Martin, said that "FAO, with support from other partners" [does that include the Wetlands people?], initiated five regional technical cooperation programmes (TCPs) in November 2005."

I found some info on three of these TCPs -- one for North Africa, one for Western Africa, and one for Eastern Africa [links to the TCP proposals below]. You know what -- they only just had a "Training workshop on Avian Influenza Epidemiology and Wildbird sampling" for West Africa last month. If they're still training people on how to take proper samples, etc., who on earth took the 7,500 samples the Wetlands guy talked about? And, what sort of quality were those samples??

http://www.fao.org/eims/secretariat...p?calling=simple_events_result&event_id=34085

I don't believe these guys as far as I could throw them.

TCP North Africa:
http://www.fao.org/ag/againfo/subjects/en/health/diseases-cards/cd/documents/RAF North Africa.pdf

TCP West Africa:
http://www.fao.org/ag/againfo/subjects/en/health/diseases-cards/cd/documents/RAF3016.pdf

TCP East Africa:
http://www.fao.org/AG/againfo/subjects/en/health/diseases-cards/cd/documents/RAF3017.pdf
 
Re: Migrating flocks not carrying bird flu, scientists report

So, more independent citizen action like we saw with Jurmo's Island will be needed.
 
Last edited by a moderator:
Re: Migrating flocks not carrying bird flu, scientists report

The bar kinda high but the real issue is that it would be very tough to get "boots on the ground" in Africa unless someone here is in Africa or knows people who are in Africa.

Another approach would be to let the reporter know that she has just published an article that may not be entirely accurate and fair in it's presentation of the facts.

I think the later is a good start.
 
Last edited by a moderator:
Re: Migrating flocks not carrying bird flu, scientists report

Well, GR likes to travel to bf-infected countries.... ;)
 
Re: Migrating flocks not carrying bird flu, scientists report

A private letter to the editor
letters@iht.com <letters@iht.com>

Or a public answer
http://www.iht.com/pages/opinion/index.php
Share your opinion
We invite readers to send comments for publication at letters@iht.com, or by fax at +33 1 41 43 93 32.

Maybe someone more "english" and diplomatic here could do something well.

If not, GR bring me thoses samples I'll have the opportunity to test my PCR H5 probes that waiting with something fresh.
 
Re: Migrating flocks not carrying bird flu, scientists report

Mingus said:
So, more independent citizen action like we saw with Jurmo Island will be needed.
Mm, if you read the posts on Jurmo, you can see that some authorities trusted Bird Life Finland, part of a Bird Life International, for assesments and didnt bother testing or reporting it on higher up, Bird lifes wiev has been for long that migrating birds dont carry H5N1 and only recently have they changed to "there is no proof".


Dr Niman, do you care to coment on the fast results obtained by the "molecular method" of testing for H5N1?
 
Last edited by a moderator:
Back
Top