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Ivermectin - A useful treatment for COVID-19 coronavirus? Some discussion and studies...

Yes - its interesting. Clearly the 'anti-parasitic' messaging has not been working well enough to put people off, so this is a new tactic. I need to take a look and see if any of the larger, really tight protocol studies have started reporting yet. There are $billions at stake here, so all this negative PR is to be expected.. I think the golden rule as far as ivermectin is concerned is not to take 'media reports' at face value.. always go to the study in question and examine its data closely, investigate the authors and the research centre in question, and then weigh it against the wider body of evidence.

Also, any treatments - whether this or other things coming further down the pipe, are not - or should not be - an 'either or' to vaccines. They should be additions, with vaccines at their core. I don't understand why so many media reports take this stance...
 
Arkansas doctor under investigation for prescribing parasite pill thousands of times for Covid-19 despite FDA warning

Updated 11:07 PM ET, Thu August 26, 2021

By Devon M. Sayers and Rebekah Riess

(CNN)The Arkansas Medical Board is investigating after a doctor said he prescribed an anti-parasitic drug "thousands" of times for treatment of Covid-19, including to inmates in an Arkansas jail.

The FDA has been warning against the use of ivermectin for treatment of Covid-19 since March. The drug is used to treat parasitic infections, primarily in livestock, and the CDC recently cautioned about an increase in reports to poison centers of severe illness caused by the drug.

... "No one -- including incarcerated individuals -- should be subject to medical experimentation," Holly Dickson, executive director of the ACLU of Arkansas, said in a statement, adding that the sheriff "has a responsibility to provide food, shelter and safe, appropriate care to incarcerated people."

https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/26/us/covid-ivermectin-arkansas-doctor/index.html
 
Covid: Arkansas jail dosing inmates with ivermectin in spite of FDA warnings

It is unclear if patients have been told that the de-worming drug is not an approved Covid treatment

Inmates at a north-west Arkansas jail have been prescribed a medicine for treating coronavirus that is normally used to deworm livestock, despite federal health warnings to the public in exasperated tones.

...The US FDA has approved ivermectin in both people and animals for some parasitic worms and for head lice and skin conditions. The FDA has not approved its use in treating or preventing Covid-19 in humans.

“Using any treatment for Covid-19 that’s not approved or authorized by the FDA, unless part of a clinical trial, can cause serious harm,” the FDA said in a warning about the drug.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/aug/26/arkansas-jail-dosing-inmates-ivermectin-covid
 
Again, ACLU political hack that doesn't know the difference between medical experimentation and off-label drug use.
 
They care about politics, not prisoners.

"Prominent rightwingers have been promoting the drug for Covid and public health officials have come under attack from some Republicans for urging Americans to get vaccinated against coronavirus.

Ivermectin has been touted by some Republican lawmakers in Arkansas as a potential Covid treatment."

No other reason for their tempest in a teapot.

"Helder said on Tuesday night that the jail has had zero inmate deaths from the coronavirus, and jail officials said inmates had also been offered the Johnson & Johnson vaccine."
 
https://ktla.com/news/nationworld/a...or-arkansas-jail-inmates-despite-fda-warning/

by: Associated Press
Posted: Aug 26, 2021 / 09:47 AM PDT / Updated: Aug 26, 2021 / 02:46 PM PDT
...
Dr. Rob Karas, the jail’s physician, has said no inmates were forced to take the drug. Karas did not immediately respond to a message Thursday.
...
Washington County’s sheriff confirmed Tuesday night that jail inmates had been prescribed ivermectin, but did not say how many. It wasn’t clear if all the inmates who were prescribed the medication had tested positive for COVID-19.

“There is an open investigation and we can’t comment on it right now,” Embry told The Associated Press.

Dr. Rob Karas, the jail’s physician, has said no inmates were forced to take the drug. Karas did not immediately respond to a message Thursday.
...
The Northwest Arkansas Democrat-Gazette reported that the sheriff’s office said Helder had learned of the drug’s use at the jail on Tuesday. In a July 20 email to Helder, Karas recommended the sheriff’s staff take it as a preventive measure against COVID-19 but did not mention its use on inmates. Karas has said he’s taken the drug, as have members of his family...

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If you have lots of time on your hands to dig into AR medical politics, this will be fun for you.
https://www.nwaonline.com/news/2017/nov/17/rogers-cancer-center-accused-of-fraud-c/

Seems there was lots of jealousy and tattling even before national COVID politics entered the fray.
 
Spike in poisonings from livestock deworming drug reported in Florida

Posted: Aug 28, 2021 / 02:45 PM EDT/ Updated: Aug 28, 2021 / 08:42 PM EDT

by: WFLA 8 On Your Side Staff

TALLAHASSEE, Fla. (WFLA) — Florida Agriculture Commissioner Nikki Fried is warning residents to avoid trying a horse deworming drug to treat COVID-19 after a spike in poisonings.

... We are seeing a spike in cases related to #ivermectin, a deworming medication. We’ve treated 27 patients in Aug, w/most involving use o/ivermectin made for livestock. Ivermectin has not been authorized or approved by @US_FDA for treatment or prevention of COVID-19.

... “The promotion of inappropriate use of this drug is irresponsible, reckless, and dangerous,” Fried said. “There is no public health or scientific support for its use to treat or prevent COVID-19, and there are serious safety concerns when it comes to self-medicating and humans using medications intended for animals. Individuals should look to their medical doctors when it comes to medical treatments – not online quacks.”

https://www.wfla.com/news/florida/s...livestock-deworming-drug-reported-in-florida/
 
I have seen these posts about overdosing on ivermectin are fabricated/actually fake. Rolling stones magazine retracted the story from an Oklahoma hospital having any overdoes on ivermectin.


I check this site daily for your authentic posting of our current situation.

Would you all take a look at this review? There is a coalition of doctors claiming ivermectin has benefit and is being squashed. Obviously not the same dose as a 2000 pound horse. That is stupid. Human dose is different.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8088823/

Thank you all,
for your integrity and authenticity,
Michelle
 
Thank you for the heads up. They even failed to promote the monoclonal antibodies until 'their own' vaccinated started getting very ill from the latest variant or whatever the cause is.
 
Sounds like the doctor and the Rolling Stone staff got into some jackass medicine.
 
Source: https://www.sfgate.com/news/amp/Hea...ine-to-16405982.php?__twitter_impression=true


Correction: Virus Outbreak-Mississippi story
Aug. 25, 2021
Updated: Aug. 25, 2021 3:27 p.m.

JACKSON, Miss. (AP) — In an article published Aug. 23, 2021, about people taking livestock medicine to try to treat coronavirus, The Associated Press erroneously reported based on information provided by the Mississippi Department of Health that 70% of recent calls to the Mississippi Poison Control Center were from people who had ingested ivermectin to try to treat COVID-19. State Epidemiologist Dr. Paul Byers said Wednesday the number of calls to poison control about ivermectin was about 2%. He said of the calls that were about ivermectin, 70% were by people who had ingested the veterinary version of the medicine...
 
They are piling out of the clown car again. I think the ivermectin attacks are a misdirection attempt. The real problem might be a drug that should have stayed a cat drug. Not all drugs translate between species well. This reminds me of the E-Ferol travesty.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/GvHUN7tuwbdD/
 
Double-blind study shows ivermectin reduces disease’s duration and infectiousness • FDA and WHO caution against its use



https://m.jpost.com/health-science/i...er-1day-675612

Here is the abstract:

Favorable outcome on viral load and culture viability using Ivermectin in early treatment of non-hospitalized patients with mild COVID-19 – A double-blind, randomized placebo-controlled trial

View ORCID Profile

Asaf Biber, Michal Mandelboim, Geva Harmelin, Dana Lev, Li Ram, Amit Shaham, Ital Nemet, Limor Kliker, Oran Erster, Eli Schwartz
doi: https://doi.org/10.1101/2021.05.31.21258081

This article is a preprint and has not been peer-reviewed [what does this mean?]. It reports new medical research that has yet to be evaluated and so should not be used to guide clinical practice.
Abstract


Background Ivermectin, an anti-parasitic agent, also has anti-viral properties. Our aim was to assess whether ivermectin can shorten the viral shedding in patients at an early-stage of COVID-19 infection.

Methods The double-blinded trial compared patients receiving ivermectin 0·2 mg/kg for 3 days vs. placebo in non-hospitalized COVID-19 patients. RT-PCR from a nasopharyngeal swab was obtained at recruitment and then every two days. Primary endpoint was reduction of viral-load on the 6[SUP]th[/SUP] day (third day after termination of treatment) as reflected by Ct level>30 (non-infectious level). The primary outcome was supported by determination of viral culture viability.

Results Eighty-nine patients were eligible (47 in ivermectin and 42 in placebo arm). Their median age was 35 years. Females accounted for 21·6%, and 16·8% were asymptomatic at recruitment. Median time from symptom onset was 4 days. There were no statistical differences in these parameters between the two groups.

On day 6, 34 out of 47 (72%) patients in the ivermectin arm reached the endpoint, compared to 21/ 42 (50%) in the placebo arm (OR 2·62; 95% CI: 1·09-6·31). In a multivariable logistic-regression model, the odds of a negative test at day 6 was 2.62 time higher in the ivermectin group (95% CI: 1·06–6·45). Cultures at days 2 to 6 were positive in 3/23 (13·0%) of ivermectin samples vs. 14/29 (48·2%) in the placebo group (p=0·008).

Conclusions There were significantly lower viral loads and viable cultures in the ivermectin group, which could lead to shortening isolation time in these patients.

The study is registered at ClinicalTrials.gov NCT 044297411.
Competing Interest Statement


The authors have declared no competing interest.
Clinical Trial


NCT04429711
Funding Statement


None
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Yes

The details of the IRB/oversight body that provided approval or exemption for the research described are given below:

IRB approval was given by the Sheba Medical Center's IRB (7156/20)

All necessary patient/participant consent has been obtained and the appropriate institutional forms have been archived.

Yes

I understand that all clinical trials and any other prospective interventional studies must be registered with an ICMJE-approved registry, such as ClinicalTrials.gov. I confirm that any such study reported in the manuscript has been registered and the trial registration ID is provided (note: if posting a prospective study registered retrospectively, please provide a statement in the trial ID field explaining why the study was not registered in advance).

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Paper in collection COVID-19 SARS-CoV-2 preprints from medRxiv and bioRxiv

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.05.31.21258081v1
 
Thank you to everyone who is participating in this apparently controversial topic. It has been my hope and dream to discover an already existing natural substance or inexpensive over-the-counter/pharma drug since this pandemic started that is even partially effective. It might be that the best treatment is a layered approach using several methodologies.

There was a huge disagreement on this site about whether to allow any discussion about hydroxychloroquine but I felt that cancelling a discussion about a drug where many people showed an interest made no public health communication sense. Get the information out there I say! Bad and good. We have no idea what works and what does not work until some time goes by. A year later the medical consensus generally appears that for COVID-19 (original strain) hydroxychloroquine was not an effective treatment for advanced cases. Other strains? Pros and cons of long term preventative use?

We have not cancelled any "pro-vaccine" topics. Why would we cancel any other drug discussion? This is not logical. We are not picking winners and losers here. At least on this site there is a rational presentation of data. I feel this is in the best interest of public health.

Also, thank you to tetano for all of his work in the scientific library. We have hundreds of links to studies on proven and under development vaccines, pharma drugs, traditional treatments, therapies, etc. link

If you have any medical questions about COVID-19 or any other medical question, please contact your medical practitioner. Do not take medical advice from the internet.

Disclosure: I am high risk. I am fully vaccinated. I have never asked for or taken any pharma drug for COVID-19 prevention. I am using masks and intermittent social distancing. I am open to anything. Watching and constantly evaluating. I have not made my decision about a vaccine booster yet.
 
I feel I should say that I have seen news stories about 3 high-profile conservatives that have died, in spite of reportedly having access to ivermectin. One supposedly got it from a doctor, but I don't know if any of them had a doctor face-to-face treating them with a protocol like this:

https://covid19criticalcare.com/covid-19-protocols/

None of the news reports said any of these victims were using melatonin, which is discussed at the link. None were said to have used monoclonal antibodies and that is recommended as possible part of a protocol at that link. I have not heard of anyone dying after getting antibody treatment, though there could be cases. A local hospital doctor on the news recently encouraged ivermectin users to please be open to the monoclonal antibody treatments. He admitted ivermectin had more supporting data than HCQ, but obviously some need more to stay out of the hospital.

The youngest of the 3 conservative media figures that died was only 30. He had asthma. Note the local health authority in the article also recommends monoclonal antibodies, though he didn't condemn ivermectin.

https://sanangelolive.com/news/live-thought/2021-08-30/catching-covid-caleb
Catching Covid with Caleb
By Joe Hyde, Aug 30, 2021

"According to Caleb’s father Russ, in mid-July he took Caleb and his boys to Port Aransas for a deep sea fishing trip.

“On the way back, none of us were feeling good,” he said. He suspected they caught it at a crowded truck stop on the trip.

“A couple days back home, and all of us were hacking (coughing). Caleb and I had it the worst,” he said.

Russ said without taking the Covid test they both contacted a doctor and both started on ivermectin. “We were on it for a week and doing pretty good,” Russ said.

In San Angelo, the protocol for Covid-19 requires one to take a test to see if there is an infection. If positive, and no bad symptoms, the patient is told to isolate at home. At the time Russ and Caleb caught Covid-19, there were no highly publicized recommended therapies to partake unless breathing became difficult. At which time, an emergency room visit is recommended.

At first, Russ said both he and Caleb felt better, but a few days later, both took a turn for the worst. Caleb had asthma, Russ said. He convinced his son to visit the ER. There, Caleb’s test for Covid-19 came back positive and Caleb was admitted to the hospital. This was on July 30.

Dr. James Vretis, the local health authority for Tom Green County, works at the Shannon ER and has treated thousands of Covid-19 patients. He said the decision to admit a patient into the hospital depends primarily on the patient’s oxygen saturation level. A normal lung will produce 96-98 percent oxygen saturation. If the saturation falls towards 90 or 91, the infection is serious.

Vretis doesn’t believe in hydroxychloroquine. “The data on hydroxychloroquine is very clear,” he said. “It’s useless.”

He is less against ivermectin, but warns, “Although there is not as strong evidence against it (as hydroxychloroquine), for a lot of reasons it looks like it doesn’t work. Some docs want to use it and we don’t interfere. But if you’re taking ivermectin, it should be an ‘and’ and not an ‘or’ to monoclonal antibodies,” he said. “If you have Covid, please get monoclonal antibodies.”

Neither Caleb nor Russ were vaccinated and recent data shows that the vaccination may not stop a Covid-19 infection, but in most cases, it lessens the severity of the infection giving doctors a chance to arrest it."

Also important is that his father got Covid at the same time and took ivermectin but had to also be hospitalized. He survived, but he did not have asthma and he also had a case of Covid previously.

"Russ said he believed he had Covid in December 2020, although he wasn’t tested until later after he recovered when he took an antibody test. “My doc told me I was swimming in antibodies,” he said."

This is a rare, respectful and informative article. If the father had Covid before and had a worse case the second time, that shows that Sars-cov-2 is capable of eliciting ADE. So immunity, whether from vaccines or natural could turn on you, hopefully only in rare cases. I've only seen one other natural immunity case reported in a medical journal. The ADE article even says that is a risk with antibody treatments, but they could stop giving the treatments if there is a hint of that happening.

Be prepared for anything.
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