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Interview with Dr. C.A. Nidom. Discussion Thread

Re: Interview with Dr. C.A. Nidom. Discussion Thread

It we'll be seen, than.

For now, it seems many (supposed 50%) mild/asimptomatic HighPath. bf., if the text was exact:

"Following this, Eramuslim discussed this case with bird flu observer and also a member Dr. of Molecular Biology at the University of Airlangga Surabaya, Dr. C.A Nidom, MS.

There is a chance that 70 percent of the people of Jakarta have the bird flu virus, so allegations have been made that the mass media is spreading this around town. Is this matter true? ('Have the bird flu virus, means have anti-bodies, IMHO ed.)

These allegations were issued after research and examinations were conducted on Jakarta society. I am confident that this is the same dangerous virus,


dangerous version = High, not LowP version

consequently I mentioned no less than 70 percent. Data was obtained from facts I found all these years in the areas of Tangerang and Jakarta.

The first facts that came this way, happened to be a big bird flu case, occurring in the year 2003 to Tangerang chickens. I also discovered the first virus that infected pigs also in Tangerang, later it infected people. That direct cluster case in Iwan Iswara was also in Tangerang. Later for several months the infection continued.

Later in March, 2006, I conducted tests against a virus that came from Tangerang, that would indicate the presence of a pocket of virus contagion that is spread between humans.

Then from where do you make the conclusion of 70 percent?

The important figures are not here. I have said that I am sure that a profound part of the Jakarta population Jakarta as well as Tangerang has this virus, because my guess is that this virus has spread between people whose numbers reach 50 percent, so my calculations may be less than 70 percent. But these are the calculation figures.

These days officials from the Health Department do not want to conduct surveillance for those in Jakarta to prove that the incidents in Jakarta and the Tangerang are not only because of contagion from birds."
 
Re: Interview with Dr. C.A. Nidom. Discussion Thread

AJ about Dr.Nidom
I emailed Andrew Jeremijenko about Dr.Nidom and his reply is below.

[I emailed to his private address, not his lab. He has approved
the message for posting.]

He had posted earlier and had worked for NAMRU2 since 2006
but then was fired because the political situation became worse.
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Thanks for letting me know about this. I had not read it and as you know I have retired from bird flu work. I am now based in Brisbane Australia working in an emergency department. Dr Nidom has made some important discoveries, but his focus in on the animal side and the scientific environment he has to work with make it difficult to interpret the accuracy of some of his statements especially in regard to human antibodies. The H5N1 HI test in humans is in my view not a gold standard test, and can be wrong depending on what sort of cells you use. The lab I used to work with have had false positives and false negatives before and we often used to repeat them before sending them off to CDC for confirmation. In the studies I was involved in there was a very low seroprevalence of H5N1 antibodies in humans working with chickens. So for their now to be a very high seroprevalence in non occupationally exposed people seems unlikely. Unless there has been a significant change in the virus, and as you know the health minister is not aiding the situations understanding in that respect, I would have to err on the side of caution.
The difficulty is it will be hard to verify if there is a high seroprevalence in Jakarta as they have not given permission to my knowledge to allow an international organisation to carry out such a study.
It is important to do seroprevalence studies, but they need to be done properly and the results verified.
 
Re: Interview with Dr. C.A. Nidom. Discussion Thread

Thanks, interesting! Andrew Jeremijenko can be seen as an expert.
 
Re: Interview with Dr. C.A. Nidom. Discussion Thread

Thank you gsgs and A.J.

"Unless there has been a significant change in the virus, and as you know the health minister is not aiding the situations understanding in that respect, I would have to err on the side of caution."

The "not aiding" situation was quoted by Dr. Nidom as:
These days officials from the Health Department do not want to conduct surveillance for those in Jakarta to prove that the incidents in Jakarta and the Tangerang are not only because of contagion from birds."

Than, at least at the 25. his results can be evaluated.

"Date: April 25 (Fri), 2008
At Auditorium 2, KOFST in Séoul, Korea
11:50~12:10 Zoonotic Diseases in Indonesia
(Dr. Chairul Anwar Nidom, Professor, Airlangga Univ., Indonesia)"
 
Re: Interview with Dr. C.A. Nidom. Discussion Thread

Than, at least at the 25. his results can be evaluated.

"Date: April 25 (Fri), 2008
At Auditorium 2, KOFST in S?oul, Korea
11:50~12:10 Zoonotic Diseases in Indonesia
(Dr. Chairul Anwar Nidom, Professor, Airlangga Univ., Indonesia)"


SO, I reiterate my question post in the thread

International Symposium on Zoonosis, Food Safety and Animal Protection and 2nd C. L. Davis Korea Symposium

International Symposium on
Zoonosis, Food Safety and Animal Protection

Date: April 25 (Fri), 2008
http://www.flutrackers.com/forum/showthread.php?t=64985

Is some of our Members or Lurkers will attend this meeting,
Maybe Florida ! ?? lol lol
 
Re: Interview with Dr. C.A. Nidom. Discussion Thread

they could easily install a webcam and transmit it life in internet.
Or publish/sell transcripts.

The public pays the taxes, which pay the research ..
So, does the public want the research to be
kept secret ? Or open only for attendants ? (in Korea !)
 
Re: Interview with Dr. C.A. Nidom. Discussion Thread

It's too late for hitch hiking from Deutchland to Korea for the 25th gs, lol.

But we will do our best to send one of our members that is near there.

Snowy
 
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