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INDONESIA - Bali: cats and dogs have BF

Gert van der Hoek

In Memoriam - Editor, Senior Moderator
From the same researcher who found out about BF in pigs in Bali:


Cats and dogs with BF in Bali

http://www.detiknews.com/index.php/...1/tgl/17/time/174530/idnews/731619/idkanal/10

17/01/2007 17:45 WIB

Bird Flu in Dogs and Cats in Bali

Denpasar - the bird flu Virus currently infects the cat and the dog. The newest research showed, the dog and the cat in Bali terindikasi strong infected by the virus H5N1.

"There were the very strong assumption, the dog and the cat in Bali contaminated by the bird flu virus," said the researcher the University of Udayana Denpasar Dr drh I Gusti Ngurah Mahardika, when being contacted detikcom, on Wednesday (17/1/2007).

This assumption was results of the Mahardika research into the sample 39 cats and 114 dogs that were spread all over the Balinese territory. This research was carried out in September-December 2006.

"In Fact results" of the "assumption research" of the "bird flu virus to the dog and the cat in Bali were the by-product from the actual research was focussed on the pig," said Mahardika.

However, Mahardika did not yet want to release results of the assumption research of bird flu to the pig in Bali. "Later to the middle next week would I the release in Denpasar," said he.

He will promise to explain the process of the mutation of the bird flu virus in his release later. Mahardika added, the spreading of the bird flu virus to the dog and the cat has happened more previously overseas.

"His spread between the cat that was unhealthy to the healthy cat," he finished.
(Fay/nrl)
 
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Liputan6 has the story now too:

Bird flu Also infected the Dog and the Cat

Liputan6.com, Denpasar: the bird flu Virus only was not able to infect the poultry.
The cat and the dog could be then infected by the virus avian the deadly influenza.

It was the Doctor I Gusti Ngurah Mahardika that was first mengindikasi the spread.
The researcher the Udayana University in Denpasar, Bali, found several dogs and the cat that were positive contracting the bird flu virus.

The research into the cat and the dog this was done by I Gusti Ngurah Mahardika since September till December the year set.

To be precise in the Jembrana Regency and Buleleng.

From 108 dogs that were taken the sample of his blood, evidently three among them positive contracted the bird flu virus.Two dogs had been infected by the deadly virus.

Whereas for the cat, one from 39 positive samples contracted the virus and three other tails had been attacked by bird flu.

According to I Gusti Ngurah Mahardika, the spread happened after the two kept animals direct contact with the poultry that terjangkit the bird flu virus.
"The spread the first time could from breathing," said he.

However, the assumption was strongest, the dog and the cat ate the chicken carcass or the other poultry that died and was sick because of being infected by bird flu.

Director Program Pengkajian and the Socialisation of Bird Flu in this Udayana University School Of Veterinary Medicine also warned, although being not yet found by the spread of the bird flu virus to humankind through the dog and the cat, the two animals had the potential to spread the bird flu virus.
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http://www.liputan6.com/view/3,136050,1,0,1169151843.html
 
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More details about the research on BF in cats and dogs:

BIRD FLU was found in DOGS AND the CATS

Metrotvnews.com, Denpasar: the Team of the researcher Fakulas Medical the Udayana University Animal (Unud), Bali, recently found the case of the spread of bird flu to the dog and the cat in three regencies in Bali.

From 39 samples of the cat that was researched, of a cat was found positive bird flu that is in the Jembrana Regency.

Whereas from 108 samples of the dog in the Buleleng Regency, was found by three positive dogs bird flu.

According to Director Program Pengkajian as well as the Socialisation of Bird Flu and the Unud Pandemic of the School Of Veterinary Medicine's influenza, I Gusti Mahardika, apart from the virus was found antibodies or the immune substance in the two animal kinds.

However, Gusti still could not confirm from where from this virus.
Because, the three groups of the available virus kind in the Javanese Island also were found in Bali.


For example the virus that was found to the pig last year evidently one kluster with the virus that was found in Tarutung, North Sumatra and Yogyakarta.(

http://www.metrotvnews.com/berita.asp?id=31899
 
Re: INDONESIA - Bali: cats and dogs have BF

...apart from the virus was found antibodies or the immune substance in the two animal kinds.

Are they saying the cats might be asymptomatic carriers?

If the cats are no longer dying, what does that mean?

No more Arrrggh plop?
 
Re: INDONESIA - Bali: cats and dogs have BF

AlaskaDenise said:
Are they saying the cats might be asymptomatic carriers?

If the cats are no longer dying, what does that mean?

No more Arrrggh plop?

Good question!
 
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20/01/2007 00:40 WIB

the Bird Flu Virus to the Cat spread As Far As NTB
(An other region: see attachments)


Denpasar - the bird flu Virus was still haunting Indonesia.
Few news that were worrying concerning the spreading of this virus emerged.

Indicated by the virus H5NI or bird flu that was found to the dog and the cat spread down to the West Nusa Tenggara (NTB).

This quite startling discovery was results of the research of the bird flu virus to the dog and the cat in 3 provinces namely Bali, NTT, and NTB.

Results of the research were in 3 provinces found antibodies and the bird flu virus to the dog and the cat, to the sample of the dog and the cat in Bali and NTB. the Virus H5NI that spread in dogs and cats, was detected after being done by the research 39 cats and 118 dogs in Bali, NTB, and NTT.

"Results of this sample in Bali 2 dogs and 3 positive cats bird flu, and 1 cat were found in NTB," said the Director the laboratory together Bio the Udayana Medic of the University school of veterinary medicine (Unud), Dr drh Ngurah Mahardika, in the Unud Campus, Street Sudirman, Denpasar, on Thursday (19/1/2007).

According to Ngurah, these results were results of the research together.
Namu he admitted this discovery needed the repeated testing to confirm the spreading of bird flu to the dog and the cat, because of the number of samples of this testing was not yet representative.

"If in NTB, the sample that was taken by the dog and the cat in 4 subdistricts."

While in Bali, the dog and the cat in 37 subdistricts and in NTT 3 in the subdistrict, added Ngurah.

However Mahardika ascertained the spreading to the dog and the cat not meant to the phenomenon of the mutation happen in this virus.
"So this was the phenomenon" of "nature that there is infeski from the poultry to the cat."

We found antibodies to the dog body and the cat that showed that the animal was middle flattest the virus H5N1, explained Ngurah.

Ngurah stated the indication of the bird flu virus to the dog and the cat with the discovery of antibodies that the dog and this cat, this meant this animal was infected by the bird flu virus.

"We detected his virus, we found two isolates from the dog, whereas one virus from the cat." Tapin (?) this not the mutation, stated Ngurah.
(ndr/)

http://www.detiknews.com/index.php/...1/tgl/20/time/004040/idnews/732657/idkanal/10
 

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It would be interesting to know which strain (RESRRKKR or RERRRKKR) those tested cats had.

How much "snapshot" testing has been done and results released, i.e., all animals in the vicinity of an infected mammal?

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To me the BIG questions are this?

Did the virus just (as in the past year) become well established in these mammals?

This is a very very important point in my opinion.

Here is why.

In 2005-2006 we saw the H5N1 virus rapidly explode across globe.

The virus became established in Africa, Eastern Europe, the Middle East and more of South East Asia.

But at the time, we were not seeing many reports, at least in these numbers of mamallian infections.

Was that because of lack of testing? Or had the virus been missing something?

The importance is that in 2005-2006 we saw a rapid expansion of the viruses geographic range.

Are we now seeing a rapid expansion viruses host range as well as ability to easily transmit amongst it's new hosts?
 
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My impression (no more than that...) is the cats and dogs got BF from poultry, apparently not enough virus load to die. The cats were " the middle flattest" says the report. No sustained Cat2Cat or Dog2Dog contamination, they were infected by poultry?

Finding antibodies seems to be expected. In the book of dr Gregor you find that in Holland about 1000 people had anti-bodies after the H7N7 outbreak in 2003. Those people never had symptoms or light symptoms.

I suppose in Indonesia (many?) thousands of mammals and people have antibodies.
 
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If H5N1 (RES strain) was killing cats a year ago, why is it no longer killing them?

Does that mean it takes about 1 year to mutate into a non-lethal stain?

Or is it the RER strain that is killing them?

Is the difference in cats as asymtomatic carriers, a cultural factor, ie., cats are feral in Indonesia - scavenging and more likely to be infected, where cats kept as pets may be less likely to become asymptomatic carriers.

There is clearly some work for veterinary and humane society people to do - dealing with this issue may require major cultural changes in regard to how we view pets. :(

Jeremy's issue about expansion of host range is important. If more virulent influenzas become established in wider range of mammals, what does that say about the future impact on all mammals?

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http://www2.defra.gov.uk/research/project_data/More.asp?I=SE0526&M=CFO&V=UEB

DEFRA Science and Research


Evaluating the potential of carnivore and scavenger species as sentinels of new and emerging diseases in the UK (SE0526)
Description | Objective | Time-scale & Costs | Contractor | Keywords | Contacts

Description
Background

Pathogens tend to be generalists : i.e. they can infect more than one species of host, with some displaying very wide host ranges (e.g. Taylor et al., 2001; Cleaveland et al., 2001). This generalist nature is of particular concern for emerging diseases in human and animal populations, as these appear to be predominately associated with multiple hosts (Taylor et al., 2001; Cleaveland et al., 2001; Woolhouse et al., 2001; Woolhouse, 2002).

Outbreaks of infectious diseases originating from animal reservoirs are a continual threat to human public health (Daszak et al., 2000), with recent high-profile outbreaks of SARS, West Nile Virus (WNV) and Avian influenza highlighting the need for improved awareness, detection and co-ordination to combat new and emerging disease threats (RIVM, 2004; Kuiken et al., 2005; Butler, 2006).

The generalist nature of emerging multi-host pathogens poses challenges for understanding their epidemiology and implementing effective control. However, generalist pathogens also offer opportunities in terms of detection of infection, namely exploiting a range of hosts that might be useful as sentinel species. Although not yet widely used in veterinary and human disease detection, there is one group of hosts that have several characteristics that suggest they have the potential to act as useful sentinels: carnivore species.

Carnivores can be subdivided into true predators, (e.g. cats and foxes) which hunt and consume live vertebrate prey, and scavengers (e.g. corvids, such as rooks and crows), which opportunistically consume dead vertebrate species. Some species come into both categories, and most scavengers such as corvids will consume both prey and predator carcases.

The characteristics that make carnivores potentially useful sentinel species are as follows:
? First, carnivores are susceptible to a wide range of important human and animal infections. A high proportion (43%) of all zoonotic pathogens infect carnivores (Table 1), and thus carnivores represent a suitable taxonomic group for detecting many of the pathogens of concern to human health.
Table 1: Important animal host categories for zoonotic diseases (from Cleaveland et al., 2001)
Categories of host infected by pathogen Number of zoonotic diseases (n=800) Number of emerging zoonotic diseases (n=125)
All wildlife species 619 (77.4%) 113 (90.4%)
Birds 82 (10.3%) 23 (18.4%)
Carnivores 344 (43.0%) 64 (51.2%)
Rodents 180 (22.5%) 43 (34.4%)
Marine mammals 41 (5.1%) 6 (4.8%)
? Second, infection of carnivores through oral ingestion of infected prey may be less pathogenic than infection of other hosts by other routes of transmission, such as inhalation or vector-borne transmission. High rates of seroconversion (with low morbidity or mortality) in carnivore and scavenger species have been recorded to a wide range of pathogens. Examples include rabbit haemorrhagic disease in foxes, where there is no evidence of pathogenicity, despite seroconversion (Philbey et al., 2005), and free-roaming (scavenging) domestic dog populations, in which seroconversion to Ebola virus (Allela et al., 2005), plague (Chomel et al., 1994: Leighton et al., 2001), Influenza A H5N1 (Butler, 2006) and anthrax (Cleaveland, unpublished data) have been recorded without evidence for widespread pathogenicity. We suggest that carnivores can be used to effectively ?sample? the environment for a wide range of pathogens present in different prey species.
? Third, a single predator or scavenger typically consumes material from more than one animal of a host species. This is likely to increase the probability of infection, essentially resulting in a ?bioconcentration? effect whereby a relatively rare infection in a prey species may be detected at a higher prevalence in the carnivore / scavenger species (a ?prevalence pyramid? ? Fig. 1).
Such ?bioconcentration? has been suggested as an explanation for the relatively high prevalence of antibodies in domestic dogs to Rift Valley Fever (House et al., 1996), Ebola virus (25%, Allela et al., 2005), African Horse Sickness (11%, Alexander et al., 1995), and anthrax (32%, Cleaveland, unpublished data) in endemic areas of Africa, the high prevalence of antibodies to rabbit haemorrhagic disease (RHD) in predators and scavengers in New Zealand (Parkes et al., 2004) and high seroprevalences to plague in domestic carnivores in Canada (Leighton et al., 2001). The Canadian study also showed that sampling domestic carnivores was both more sensitive and more efficient than previous surveys based on collection and culture of rodents and ectoparasites (Leighton et al., 2001) and domestic carnivore sampling has been suggested as a central component of plague surveillance in parts of the USA (Barnes et al., 1988).
An example of both the susceptibility to infection and exposure to multiple infections comes from a serological survey of rural dogs and cats in Canada which detected exposure to a range of emerging zoonotic pathogens, including Yersina pestis, Francisella tularensis, Rickettsia rickettsii and Sin Nombre Hantavirus (Leighton et al., 2001), suggesting that cats are suitable candidate sentinel species. A particular advantage of cats as sentinel hosts in the UK is that the age of cats is generally known, allowing generation of age-seroprevalence data that could provide valuable and precise information on patterns of infection, the timing of outbreaks and the introduction of infection into any given area.
In addition, corvids have been shown to become seropositive to many pathogens without developing disease, including Coxiella burnetii (To et al., 1998),and Borna disease (Berg et al., 2001), and may act as important natural reservoirs of some diseases.
The most common mammalian prey species in the UK consumed by indigenous wild and domestic carnivores are small rodents such as mice, voles and shrews, and rabbits. Garden birds are also a common prey item for domestic cats A recent study reported that 9 million British cats brought home 92 million prey items in a four month period, of which 57 million were mammals (largely mice, shrews and rabbits) and 27 million were birds (Woods et al., 2003).

These prey species are well known to have the ability to harbour many bacterial, viral and protozoal pathogens such as Leptospira species, (Twigg et al., 1969), Coxiella burnetii, (Webster et al., 1995), Borna disease virus (Rott & Becht, 1995), Hantavirus (McCaughey et al., 1996), and Encephalitozoon species (Wilson, 1979; Hersteinsson et al., 1993)

? In summary, carnivores are susceptible to a wide range of human and animal pathogens and can act as effective ?samplers? of vertebrate hosts, particularly birds and rodents, which are important reservoirs of many emerging diseases (RIVM, 2004). The high probability of exposure to pathogens through predation and scavenging is likely to enhance the cost-effectiveness of pathogen detection in carnivore species in comparison with other sentinel hosts.

*snip*
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Just as I suspected. Scavengers and carnivores don't get as sick when they eat dead birds as they would if they were kept in a closed room with them. What we are looking at appears to be B2Cat and B2Dog. Perhaps the take-home lesson is that eating raw dead chickens isn't as bad as sleeping with them... Ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
 
So relax already...

So relax already...

Liputan6.com, Jakarta: Health Minister Siti Fadilah Supari justified the possibility of the existence of the bird flu virus to the dog and the cat like the findings of the researcher's lecturer from the Udaya University, Bali.

However Menkes convincing recently that the bird flu virus to the two animals will not spread to humankind.

Beforehand the Doctor I Gusti Ngurah Mahardika, from the blood test was found by three dogs and one positive cat contracted the bird flu virus.

Gusti Ngurah Mahardika also warned, the two animals had the potential to spread the bird flu virus to humankind.

According to Menkes, indeed the cat and the dog could contracted the bird flu virus but only as the virus bearer or carrier.

He convincing that the virus to the two animals will not spread to humankind.


From cases of available bird flu was not yet found by the existence of the case of the spread from the animal apart from the poultry to humankind.
(YYT/the Team of Coverage 6 SCTV)

http://www.liputan6.com/view/3,136155,1,0,1169298060.html
 
Re: INDONESIA - Bali: cats and dogs have BF

Indonesian professor wants to research flies in relation to H5N1;
remember a report 6 month ago or so, about a research on flies on Java, some University, maybe the University of dr Nidom

The concept of "silent bird flu" is a good way to describe asymptomatic carriers. Seems to be widespread in Indonesia (and ....?)

Also mentions "sperm plasma" , never heard of. :confused:


Guard against Silent Bird Flu

An area that was stated has been free bird flu had the possibility experienced 'free false'.More a year already, the bird flu virus attacked Indonesia and claimed dozens of fatalities.

In the period like this long, the virus H5N1 this not also could be destroyed from Pertiwi's earth.What actually made the bird flu virus be like this was difficult to be combatted?

According to the Professor of the University School Of Veterinary Medicine Gadjah Mada, Prof HR Wasito PhD, this phenomenon could be because in some cases was found by the existence silent bird flu.

This 'according to me who actually became great hits at this time because tight his connection with the government program', he said to Republika, in his office, on Thursday (18/1).From results of the findings that were obtained by them, said Wasito, the virus H5N1 was inside grew the poultry but the relevant animal was not sick.

The poultry appeared normal, healthy, lived good, there was no clinical sign, not there is lesi pathological, not menginduksi antibodies, and was not damaged by antibodies. This meant to be silent bird flu H5N1, explained the pathology expert to this animal.

This was very dangerous, he continued, because despite only was one but was connected with the biological characteristics, so as very dangerous for the other poultry.

This contra the indication with the government program at this time, said Wasito that gained glasses MSc and PhD in Michigan State University, East Lansing, Michigan, the United States this.

Silent this bird flu he found to the poultry in in Yogyakarta and Central Java in the year 2005/2006, because just in this area he researched him.

It should be that 'in another place was available, but not yet I was thorough', he said.

With the existence silent this bird flu he worried when in an area eventually was stated has been free bird flu, in fact could have the possibility was free false.

Moreover, from results of his research with the test imunokimia, also was known that in chicken blood that was sick evidently often was found by the bird flu virus H5N1.

Further, to the animal carier like the duck, entok, was found by us that the bird flu virus was only received in the lungs, not through excrement, because his digestion channel was negative.

The animal carier this appeared normal and was not sick, he said.

Therefore that uptil now was stated that the bird flu virus was only received in the waste of the poultry, not fully true.

Therefore, said he, the government program that made the government regulation carry out the extermination of the poultry that lived and died or the banning maintained the poultry, more inexact.

He worried if the poultry, healthy birds were then destroyed, Indonesia will lose sperm plasma. (plasma nutfah) :confused: :confused:

In fact Indonesia was known his sperm plasma was biggest second in the world. So, we must protect, conserved, and grew Indonesian sperm plasma.

Edit: may be he is talking about conserving a broad genetic variation / diversity of chickens and other poultry?

Later, if being Regional Regulations-Regional Regulations that was made that was not in accordance with the scientific study that provide a basis for available, then Indonesia wanted to be what?'He said.'

According to him, actually not the regulation for the extermination of the poultry that lived and died, but the management of the poultry that diperda-would especially that property of the community.

Livestock breeding in Indonesia was known in a polikultur manner (in one place was maintained by various sorts of the livestock animal).
For example, the chicken, the duck, cattle, et cetera.

In fact that was permitted the Health Body of the world Animal, livestock breeding that monoculture (in one territory only was maintained by one animal kind).

This to prevent when having the illness in the animal was controlled.
He suggested, ought to be done by the study with the person that really that had the hour flew in the field and in the laboratory in the matter
of the bird flu research.

Although Wasito with his wife of Prof Hastari Wuryastuti PhD since 2003 has carried out the bird flu research, but they had never been asked by the government specifically formal did the study of bird flu.

Uptil now he was only invited in bird flu seminars for example that was held by HKTI (the Association of the Farmer's Indonesian Group).

Former the Director General developed the Production of Livestock Breeding, the Department of this Agriculture with his wife from 2003 to 2006 also researched the available fly H5N1.

The possibility of this fly could spread the bird flu virus to the poultry, but must be researched true, suggested he.

Nevertheless, he made a plea to the community should not continue to panic. Because, now really was not yet proven that humankind tertular bird flu from the fly that contained H5N1.

Concerning H5N1 available to the cat and the dog he had never carried out the research.But, when he joined the meeting in Vietnam indeed had been found H5N1 to the tiger and the dog.

He was not yet interested researching bird flu to the dog and the cat, but more was interested to the fly, because in Indonesia the fly where are you now-which.

(i
http://www.republika.co.id/koran_detail.asp?id=279543&kat_id=13
 
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I'd say the sperm plasma is referring to breeding material. Just like folks using artificial insemination in other livestock, they save the sperm to insert into the females. So if you kill your breeding males, you've lost an important element in your breeding program. This is indeed a serious problem - it's important for many reason to be able to maintain genetic diversity in a breeding scheme.

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Re: INDONESIA - Bali: cats and dogs have BF

I'd say the sperm plasma is referring to breeding material. Just like folks using artificial insemination in other livestock, they save the sperm to insert into the females. So if you kill your breeding males, you've lost an important element in your breeding program. This is indeed a serious problem - it's important for many reason to be able to maintain genetic diversity in a breeding scheme.

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Yes. I think it is about genitic diversity, edited in the middle of the artice, not at the top.:)
 
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