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Indonesia agrees to give bird flu information to new online database

Shiloh

Editor, Senior Moderator
Source: http://www.philstar.com/index.php?Global News&p=54&type=2&sec=3&aid=200805159

Indonesia agrees to give bird flu information to new online database

Thursday, May 15, 2008 11:20 AM

JAKARTA (AP)-Indonesia's health minister says she will give all genetic information about her country's bird flu virus to a new global database.

Experts say that will go a long way toward monitoring the disease that is threatening to spark a pandemic.

Indonesia has been withholding bird flu virus samples and DNA sequencing data from the World Health Organization for more than a year. It says the global body's 50-year-old virus sharing system is unfair to developing countries.

That has made it impossible for scientists to see if the virus was mutating to a more dangerous form.

Health Minister Siti Fadilah Supari says she decided to cooperate with the online databank that launched Thursday because it is fully transparent and protects intellectual property rights.
 
Re: Indonesia agrees to give bird flu information to new online database

Does anyone know what this online data base is? Who is funding or supporting it?
 
Re: Indonesia agrees to give bird flu information to new online database

yes, GISAID. It's mentioned here:

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/storie...ME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2008-05-15-00-40-37


http://platform.gisaid.org/dante-cms/live/struktur.jdante?aid=1131


> because it is fully transparent and protects intellectual property rights.

it's not clear to me, whether/when the GISAID-data will be public or whether
they are only available to some registered members. I've read about a 6-months delay
earlier. Strange, how this subject is avoided
 
Re: Indonesia agrees to give bird flu information to new online database

Indonesia's health minister said Thursday she would start sharing all genetic information about her country's bird flu virus with a new global database, to monitor whether the disease is mutating into a dangerous pandemic strain.

<!-- It will play either video as first choice, or first image if there isn't an image --> China, Russia and other nations that have long withheld influenza virus samples and DNA sequencing data from international databases are also taking part in the initiative, saying it offers full transparency and, for the first time, basic protection of intellectual property rights.

Indonesian Health Minister Siti Fadilah Supari became an unlikely hero in the bird flu fight when in January 2007 she decided to buck the WHO's 50-year-old virus sharing system, which obliged member countries to submit bird flu samples and data to the global body, saying it was unfair to developing countries.

She was worried pharmaceutical companies would use Indonesia's virus strains to develop costly vaccines that would ultimately be inaccessible to her own people. Even the prestigious medical journal, The Lancet, acknowledged she had a point.

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1210668640691&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
 
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The reason I asked was this part of the article: "..the online databank that launched Thursday.."
 
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Launching is not an easy thing to do:

Indonesias Minister of Health Announces the Launch of GISAID Database


Jakarta, Indonesia - March 28, 2007 - During a gathering of ministers of health from countries affected by avian influenza, following two days of high-level technical meetings hosted by the WHO on Responsible Practices for Sharing Avian Influenza Viruses, Indonesias Minister of Health, Dr. Siti Fadilah Supari today announced the launch of the GISAID Database.

http://platform.gisaid.org/dante-cm...1131&back_id=2882&parent_id=2882&node_id=2883

Apparently there are some guarantees now regarding the use of the information.


..
 
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http://platform.gisaid.org/dante-cm...1131&back_id=2882&parent_id=2882&node_id=2883

Indonesias Minister of Health Announces the Launch of GISAID Database
Jakarta, Indonesia - March 28, 2007

...

Indonesias active support of GISAID, reinforces once more her leadership role in responsible sharing and the countrys ongoing commitment to global health", said Peter Bogner, Director of GISAID.


The GISAID Database will be publicly accessible and its use is free of charge. GISAID Database users will be required to register, agreeing to share and credit the use of others data, to analyze findings jointly, publish results collaboratively, and not to assert intellectual property rights against each other over technology derived from the data

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no mentioning of genbank in the article

so, GISAID will be publically accessable ... if ...
* you register ,
(will they aprove me ?)
* you agree to share and credit the use of others data
(well, just include such a remark into the sequence itself)
* to analyze findings jointly
(??? not going to happen. How would you do it ? Publish your analyzing programs ?
ask the sequence-owner before you use it ? ...suppose you run your program on
thousands of sequences simultaneously... How could it ever be controlled ?)
* publish results collaboratively
(some will agree to the publishing in that intended form and some will disagree)
* not to assert intellectual property rights against each other over technology derived from the data
(assert = claim for ?
"right's" by which law ? technology can be derived from data ?
well, technology can maybe also derived from letters or numbers or weather data...)
 
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the question is, of course, could the sequences be posted here ?

Probably not, since FT-users didn't register to that agreement.

May the sequences be discussed, their properties and similarities
and risks mentioned and compared to other H5N1 ?
May reassortments be mentioned ?


Bogner:
> ...Indonesian leadership role in responsible sharing
 
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"The GISAID Database will be publicly accessible and its use is free of charge. GISAID Database users will be required to register, agreeing to share and credit the use of others data, ..."

When it was gived "all genetic information" by internet, maybe it's realy better to release it between members with true personal user register data (just in case).
 
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Indonesia to Share Information
On Bird Flu With Global Database


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May 15, 2008 6:51 p.m.
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JAKARTA, Indonesia -- Indonesia announced Thursday it would start sharing all information about its bird flu cases with a new global database to monitor whether the disease is mutating into a dangerous pandemic strain.

Experts said participation by Indonesia, the country hardest hit by avian influenza, will be a great help following its yearlong boycott of the World Health Organization's virus-sharing system.

China, Russia and other nations that have withheld virus samples and genetic data from the international community are taking part in the new initiative as well, saying it offers transparency and, for the first time, basic protection of intellectual property rights.

With nearly half the 240 human deaths recorded world-wide, Indonesia is seen by many scientists as a potential hotspot for a pandemic. But its health minister, Siti Fadilah Supari, started withholding virus samples and data from the WHO in January 2007. She thought its virus-sharing system was unfair to poor nations, fearing pharmaceutical companies would make vaccines her people could not afford.

Health experts said she was endangering the planet, because there was no way of knowing if her country's virus was mutating.

"We have always promoted the sharing of influenza data, all we ask for is that it be done in a fair, transparent and equitable manner," Ms. Supari said Thursday, vowing to share the DNA bird flu data for her country's latest human cases immediately.

"I think it's wonderful," said Peter Palese, who studies influenza at Mount Sinai School of Medicine in New York, adding the decision will make it easier for researchers to see if the virus is mutating to a form that spreads more easily between people, with the potential to kill millions world-wide.

The free online site launched on Thursday, 18 months after strategic adviser Peter Bogner and 77 influential scientists and health experts wrote a letter to Nature magazine calling for bird flu information to be shared more quickly and openly -- resulting in the Global Initiative on Sharing Avian Influenza Data, or GISAID.

Until then, research organizations often kept their own repositories of DNA sequencing data. In the case of bird flu, WHO was keeping crucial information in a private database in Los Alamos, New Mexico, making it accessible to just 15 laboratories. That revelation, made public by Italian veterinary researcher Ilaria Capua in early 2006, led some foreign governments and scientists to call for a boycott of WHO's 50-year-old virus sharing system.

"The reluctance by Indonesia, in particular, to share samples and genetic data was of particular concern," said Harold Varmus, a Nobel laureate and Nature letter signatory.
Late last year, the WHO acknowledged it needed to urgently address the international community's growing misgivings. But it maintains some genetic data should be kept behind closed doors. The global body is seeking $10 million for another database and tracking system.

Many countries are asking if that is necessary, especially following the launch of Thursday's online site, which was tailor-made by and for influenza scientists. They include members of WHO's four collaborating centers, who say full transparency will not hinder efforts to carry out their vaccine strain selection process.

"GISAID has a big head start already," noted Nirmal Ganguly, the former head of the Indian Council of Medical Research.

The new platform calls on users to reach an agreement with data providers before applying, for example, for patents needed for vaccines. In an effort to boost transparency, GISAID also has created an electronic tracking system that enables site users to see who has sent or received virus data -- from government laboratories to pharmaceutical companies.



http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121087810414496077.html
 
Re: Indonesia agrees to give bird flu information to new online database

It is quite intersting to notice that this is decided and made public just prior to the next general assembly.

Seems that all is done to change WHO from within and that dice are cast.

Conclusion, Big Pharma just lost a long lasting lucrative cartel priviledges.

The return of the pendulum.

Lets hope that the shift will not destroy Big Pharma in the process, we need them.

My 2 cents.

Snowy
 
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in
http://209.85.135.104/search?q=cach...nals.edu.sg/PDF/37VolNo6Jun2008/V37N6p482.pdf
(hattip ironorehopper )

Sedyaningsih,Isfandari,Soendoro,Supari wrote:

> ...
> Mandatory Virus Sharing Practice
> The application of the International Health Regulations( IHR)
> 2005 is based on 2 ways of interpretation.15 The first interpretation
> was that IHR 2005 requires a country to share relevant biological
> samples as part of the duty to provide WHO with accurate and
> detailed public health information about all events that might
> constitute a public health emergency of international concern
> (PHEIC).16 Although IHR 2005 does not literally or specifically
> express the requirement for sharing of biological samples, this
> school of thought believes that surveillance for aetiological
> agents that may cause a PHEIC can only be conducted if countries
> share samples in a timely and consistent manner, without
> preconditions. This interpretation was supported by World
> Health Assembly (WHA) resolution adopted in May 2006 and May
> 2007.17,18 It is in accordance with this interpretation that
> influenza A (H5N1) specimens have been shared through the WHO
> Global Influenza Surveillance Network (GISN).19

> Contrary to the first opinion, the second interpretation accepts
> that IHR 2005 does not require countries to share biological specimens
> with WHO and biological substances are 2 independent concepts
> and were actually negotiated separately; public health information
> strictly means knowledge and facts.15 This school of thought
> argues that even the WHA resolutions of 2006 and 2007 distinguished
> these 2 terminologies, i.e.,information and relevant biological
> materials.17,18 Moreover,this interpretation strongly believes
> that countries have sovereign control over biological resources
> found within their territories, as stated in the Convention on
> Biological Diversity (CBD).20 Hence, countries have the right
> and authority to decide whether to share their specimens with
> the WHO system or not, depending on their own judgment.

There are probably 3rd, 4th etc. interpretions and schools of thought too.
It's not sufficient to establish an interpretation, it should also
be reasonable.
The intent of the WHO-regulation is to early detect and contain
infectious disease. If sharing of specimens is important to achieve
this goal, then it should be included.
What are the possible countermeasures ? Quarantaine,surveillance,
treatment,prophylaxis. WHO has a history to recommend panflu-vaccination,
Indonesia herself has propagated it and apparantly doesn't question
its possible merits, see below.
So it would make sense from the purpose and intent of the regulations
to include sharing of specimens.
The lawyers of the two schools may examine the wordings of the regulations
and whether they include sharing of specimens.
But it's clear that the authors of the paper resort to such "juristical
tricks" and counter the purpose of the regulations which they signed.

> ...
> Since April 2006, incidents that led to Indonesia's
> discontentment towards the WHO system for global influenza surveillance
> came one after another.
>
> First, results of laboratory analyses
> that involved H5N1 viruses from Indonesia were presented in
> various international meetings without prior permission nor
> notification to the Indonesian government nor its scientists,
> or with notification just a couple of hours prior to the presentation,
> at best.

that's not an Indonesia-specific problem. It could involve
any results from any country.
Does Indonesia think it has right to control the presentation
of results involving Indonesia samples in meetings etc. ?
If yes, did they ever require this publicly ? Are there any
regulations to cover this ? Had it been done in the past ?
Had Indonesia being trested worse than other countries here ?

> Then Indonesian scientists and/or government officers
> were offered to be included as co-authors in papers written
> by international scientists who had access to Indonesian specimens
> sent to the WHO system, at a very late stage of the manuscript
> writing.

again, was it worse than average or does the whole system suck ?
Then this was known since long, could have been anticipated by
Indonesia and should have been addressed before

> These unethical practices had actually violated the

the frequent use of such pre-judgement adjectives do suggest some bias

> WHO guidance for the timely sharing of influenza viruses/specimens
> with potential to cause human influenza pandemics released in
> March 2005,21 which stated that The designated WHO Reference
> Laboratories will seek permission from the originating country/
> laboratory to co-author and/or publish results obtained from
> the analyses of relevant viruses/samples

which apparantly they did. Just maybe rathe (too ?) late

> and There will
> be no further distribution of viruses/specimens outside the
> network of WHO Reference Laboratories without permission from
> the originating country/laboratory.

now it's being debated, what WHO-reference laboratories are :

> It is important to be
> noted that at that time there was no document explaining what
> exactly the network of WHO Reference Laboratories were.
> What was generally known were only the 4 WHO Collaborating
> Centers and another 4 WHO H5 Reference Laboratories.22 Later
> on, the list was expanded to include other laboratories claimed
> to be essential for H5N1 vaccine development, without a clear,
> formal explanation of the roles and functions of each of them.
> All of these laboratories are in industrialised countries,and
> the terminology for them was changed several times,from global
> research laboratories to essential, non-commercial research
> laboratories and to essential regulatory laboratories. 23

how many labs did Indo vs.WHO consider as qualifying here ?
Which specific lab is debated ?

...

> Toward the end of 2006, a call by a journalist to the
> Indonesia MOH confirming news that an Australian vaccine company's
> plan to develop vaccine against H5N1 virus using a virus strain
> that Indonesia had provided to the WHO system triggered Indonesia's
> drastic action. The fact that pharmaceutical companies had access
> to Indonesian (vaccine seed) viruses that were shared with the
> WHO affiliated laboratories was not only in violation (again)
> of the WHO guidance for virus sharing (March 2005), but also
> as strongly argued by Indonesia revealed the unfairness
> and inequities of the global system.

...


looks as if it had happened before. Since decades. So why was it a
surprise to Indonesia ?
Why didn't they critisize these 'unethical,guidance-violating'
practices before ? What is special about the Indonesia case now ?

Does Indonesia really want a system now, where virus-originators
get royalties from vaccine producers ?
Wouldn't that generally make vaccines of all sorts less affordable
for any country ?
Wouldn't it encourage countries to culture or even develope certain
viruses or bacteria in order to get more royalties ?



the lack of logic and clear guidelines by government officials is cause
for concern. That's how wars start. (not that I see this danger here,
just in principal)
 
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