Global Community for Public Health Change

[sharon sanders]

This is an idea that Gsgs had originally. We find this a more appropriate, and temporary name, for this effort.

Please make posts on this thread.

I will copy post from another forum here.

 

[sharon sanders]

Re: Global Community for Public Health Change

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<hr style="color: rgb(204, 204, 204); background-color: rgb(204, 204, 204);" size="1"> <!-- / icon and title --> <!-- message --> I feel, that
we need a new independent,free world health organisation,
which says what it really thinks, which does the required reassortment
experiments now _and quickly tells us_ about the (preliminary) results.
Which gets specimens and publishes the sequences.

It could be privately funded or by a foundation.

The current way of science and publishing is full of secrecy and delays
and manipulation. (IMO)


something for health , like what Greenpeace is for the environmentalists
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I'm interested in expert panflu probability estimates
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<hr style="color: rgb(204, 204, 204); background-color: rgb(204, 204, 204);" size="1"> <!-- / icon and title --> <!-- message --> Right on gsgs.:applause:

At the moment there are too many conflicting interests... all to do with $$$$.

Ok I'm getting more and more confused but trying to educate myself ...

I just looked at one of Dr Niman's posts on seasonal flu. http://www.flutrackers.com/forum/sho...d.php?p=200149

In it he has a graph showing flu statistics. Many of the A type cases are un subtyped.

Is it not possible that this flu has been circulating for quite a while already? How come CDC only just noticed it? Don't they do any testing on unknown subtypes?

If it has been around for a while then could the sudden rise in Tamiflu resistance be something to do with the emergence of this new strain?

Could the need to get rid of stockpiles without too much financial loss possibly have something to do with WHO/CDC saying Tamiflu is effective against this new strain? Remember what happened in France...all that HIV infected blood knowingly getting given to haemophilacs because they didn't want to "waste it".

http://www.nytimes.com/1994/02/13/wo...tml?sec=health

I know, people keep saying this new strain is sensitive to Tamiflu....but just how many isolates have they actually tested for resistance? have they got any en vivo evidence?

They say that there's no H5N1 resistance to Tamiflu too... I've seen stuff on here and elsewhere that suggests the contrary.

 

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Re: Global Community for Public Health Change

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<hr style="color: rgb(204, 204, 204); background-color: rgb(204, 204, 204);" size="1"> <!-- / icon and title --> <!-- message --> Gsgs, I agree with you idea: there is a need for an independant entity.

There are no Flublogian diplomats or ambassadors.

The Greenpeace model, built by environmentalists, is successful. Why not apply it to health?

These past 3 years, I observed the scientific community, UN agencies, and governments. The "scientific renaissance" announced by Keiji Fukuda on May 7, 2008 never really unfolded before our eyes. The same un-transparency seen for H5N1 could probably be repeated for A(H1N1).

"We are in a period in which information on a number of different aspects of influenza is just burgeoning. In many ways, we are in a kind of scientific renaissance, but the technical information about a number of different issues have really increased at a huge pace." [Dr. Keiji Fukuda, Coordinator of WHO's Global Influenza Program. Source: WHO to Update Guidelines for Possible Flu Pandemic, By Lisa Schlein, FluLab, May 7, 2008]

Recently, (my friend) Dr. Mark Drapeau, researcher at the Center for Technology and National Security Policy (CTNSP) (@cheeky_geeky) came up with a new expression: "goverati". Since the beginning of 2009 - associated to the increased implementation of Governement 2.0 - we are assisting to the rise of goverati.

What is a goverati? "It is made up of people with first-hand knowledge of how the government operates, who understand how to use social software to accomplish a variety of government missions, and who want to use that knowledge for the benefit of all.

The goverati includes not only government employees, but also people from think tanks, trade publications, and non-profits. And it includes high-profile thinkers outside of the government who have an interest in a more open, transparent, and efficient government," according to Dr. Mark Drapeau.

The Sunlight Foundation uses the power of the Internet to shine light on the interplay of money, lobbying, and government. It is also a succesful model that we could look into.

CrisisCamp 2009 (Gov2.0 related to health and emergency issues) will take place on June 12-14 2009 in Washington, DC. I invite everyone to participate via Twitter, follow @Crisiscamp, and discuss and promote the idea of a "Greenpeace for health".

 

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Re: Global Community for Public Health Change

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<hr style="color: rgb(204, 204, 204); background-color: rgb(204, 204, 204);" size="1"> <!-- / icon and title --> <!-- message --> What Who2 really is saying is that we must be infallible in forbidding the propagation of error so that the error does not mutate into terror-ill health resulting in pandemic flu deaths for example. The fight must therefore rid itself of specialist views dominating the holistic truth. My arguments go along these lines:Re:WHO: Up to 2 billion people might get swine flu
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/med_swine_flu,
my own informed guess is that upto a billion may die from it. See my research work at
http://stopflowcatchflu.blogspot.com/ and for a precedent regarding radionuclide contamination and therefore analogous spread of flu see http://deathdealersnukes.blogspot.com/
Therefore applying the precautionary principle we should strain every nerve to get at the truth and take preventive action beforehand.