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Germany; 20 dead geese: avian flu or ligthning?

Gert van der Hoek

In Memoriam - Editor, Senior Moderator
machine translated

Avian flu or lightning?

By Georg Schalk

G?nzburg - In the G?nzburg region, since yesterday goes back to the fear that it could be the avian flu outbreak. A fisherman discovered on Sunday morning in a moss forest lakes north of G?nzburg several dead wild geese. He alerted the police, the Veterinary Office and the fire brigade verst?ndigte.

By the late afternoon, more than 20 dead animals in the water and the shore area. They were in plastic bags were recovered. The carcasses are today, after Oberschleissheim near Munich in the National Office for Health and Food Safety market. There, they will investigate and find out where the wild goose perishes.

According to the two doctors of the Veterinary Office G?nzburg, Dr. Franz Schmid and Max Schubert, dead animals were the one or two days at one of the moss forest lakes. With the help of the police and the volunteer fire department G?nzburg, against 13 hours with three vehicles and two boats ausr?ckte, bargen the experts more than 20 dead wild geese. After Discovery of the fisherman in the morning searched the use of force in the afternoon several hours the entire lake, the island in the lake, and the side arms after dead animals.

Whether in fact the bird flu has broken out, should the investigations in the next few days. On location was not excluded that in the two days before the thunderstorm lightning set in a blow many animals got killed. "At this place, lightning strikes more often," said a police official.

Schmid, the head of the Veterinary Office, had in June last year before the panic warned in space after Nuremberg cases of the dangerous H5N1 virus emerged. Naturally, the bird flu could occur anywhere, the county was still far away, he said at the time. "We must not weigh in complete security, but also not the same horror tremble before," was his maxim.

Until May 2007, is also in the district G?nzburg called restriction zones. Around the Upper Egger G?nzstausee were within a radius of 500 metres additional requirements for poultry farmers. They were, but again, because the authority no longer needs to has seen.

14.04.08

http://www.augsburger-allgemeine.de..._arid,1206933_regid,2_puid,2_pageid,4497.html

credits GSGS
 
Re: Germany; 20 dead geese: avian flu or ligthning?

Not impossible.

April, 1932, Elgin, Manitoba: Fifty-two wild geese in flight struck by lightning and killed. http://www.islandnet.com/~see/weather/almanac/diaryapr.htm

I found several other citations that listed a dozen or more killed by lightning during intense storms.

However, you would think that the birds would show clear evidence of being electrocuted or dying of percussive impact, rather than dying by respiratory disease, unless the state of decomposition is bad.
 
Re: Germany; 20 dead geese: avian flu or ligthning?

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Vogelgrippe oder Blitzeinschlag?

Von Georg Schalk

Günzburg - Im Raum Günzburg geht seit gestern wieder die Angst um, es könnte die Vogelgrippe ausgebrochen sein. Ein Fischer entdeckte am Sonntagvormittag an einem der Mooswaldseen nördlich von Günzburg mehrere tote Wildgänse. Er alarmierte die Polizei, die das Veterinäramt und die Feuerwehr verständigten


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Bis zum späten Nachmittag wurden mehr als 20 tote Tiere im Wasser und im Uferbereich gefunden. Sie wurden in Plastiksäcken geborgen. Die Kadaver sollen heute nach Oberschleißheim bei München ins Landesamt für Gesundheit und Lebensmittelsicherheit gebracht werden. Dort will man sie untersuchen und herausfinden, woran die Wildgänse verendet sind.

Nach Auskunft der beiden Ärzte des Veterinäramtes Günzburg, Dr. Franz Schmid und Max Schubert, waren die verendeten Tiere ein bis zwei Tage an einem der Mooswaldseen gelegen. Mit Hilfe von Polizei und der Freiwilligen Feuerwehr Günzburg, die gegen 13 Uhr mit drei Fahrzeugen und zwei Booten ausrückte, bargen die Fachleute mehr als 20 tote Wildgänse. Nach dem Fund des Fischers am Vormittag suchten die Einsatzkräfte am Nachmittag mehrere Stunden lang das gesamte Seeufer, die Insel im See sowie die Seitenarme nach verendeten Tieren ab.

Ob tatsächlich die Vogelgrippe ausgebrochen ist, sollen die Untersuchungen der nächsten Tage ergeben. Vor Ort wurde nicht ausgeschlossen, dass bei dem Gewitter vor zwei Tagen ein Blitz eingeschlagen und auf einen Schlag zahlreiche Tiere getötet hat. "An dieser Stelle schlägt öfter der Blitz ein", sagte ein Polizeibeamter.

Schmid, der Leiter des Veterinäramtes, hatte im Juni vergangenen Jahres vor Panikmache gewarnt, nachdem im Raum Nürnberg Fälle des gefährlichen H5N1-Virus aufgetaucht waren. Natürlich könne die Vogelgrippe überall auftreten, der Landkreis sei aber noch weit davon entfernt, sagte er damals. "Wir dürfen uns nicht in vollständiger Sicherheit wiegen, aber auch nicht gleich vor Entsetzen zittern", lautete seine Maxime.

Noch bis Mai 2007 hatte es auch im Landkreis Günzburg sogenannte Restriktionsgebiete gegeben. Rund um den Oberegger Günzstausee galten im Umkreis von 500 Metern zusätzliche Auflagen für Geflügelhalter. Die wurden aber wieder aufgehoben, weil die Behörde keinen Bedarf mehr dafür gesehen hat.


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Re: Germany; 20 dead geese: avian flu or ligthning?

Not impossible.

April, 1932, Elgin, Manitoba: Fifty-two wild geese in flight struck by lightning and killed. http://www.islandnet.com/~see/weather/almanac/diaryapr.htm

I found several other citations that listed a dozen or more killed by lightning during intense storms.

However, you would think that the birds would show clear evidence of being electrocuted or dying of percussive impact, rather than dying by respiratory disease, unless the state of decomposition is bad.

Yes, it seems plausible. Anyone who lives at the country must have heard some stories. My father-in-law told a story about 7 cows found dead after a heavy thunderstorm, hardly or no signs to see on the animals, they were lying in a circle (induction rings?). Circumstancial evidence needed.

It is rare, but it can happen, f.i.:

53 dead caribou in Alaska, 1972;

http://www.gi.alaska.edu/ScienceForum/ASF18/1856.html

see also:

http://www.merckvetmanual.com/mvm/index.jsp?cfile=htm/bc/51300.htm


Current flowing from a lightning strike is fearsome — averaging about 25,000 amps. For comparison: a reading lamp shines with only one amp of current. In the year 2000, lightning killed two boys in an outdoor pool in Florida.

http://www.weatherquesting.com/indoor-pools.htm
 
Re: Germany; 20 dead geese: avian flu or ligthning?

there is an inofficial report, that German authorities have stopped
transport of poultry products to and from Austria now.
 
Re: Germany; 20 dead geese: avian flu or ligthning?

machinetranslated

It is believed that animals were poisoned

"Complacency in the bird flu front", announced yesterday by Dr. Franz Schmid Veterinary G?nzburg.

The 23 dead geese, a fisherman on Sunday morning in a moss forest lakes north of G?nzburg had discovered, are not involved in the bird flu perishes.

"This disease is definitely not in the game," said Schmid.

What the goose died, is still not clear. The presumption is that the animals were poisoned.

http://www.augsburger-allgemeine.de...er/rtid,58932_regid,2_puid,2_pageid,4735.html
 
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