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First cases found of avian flu caught from wild

prepdeb

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First cases found of avian flu caught from wild
? Four Azeris died after plucking swan feathers
? Virus spread by humans in Indonesia, WHO confirms

David Adam and James Meikle
Monday June 26, 2006

Guardian

Four people have died after catching avian flu from infected swans, in the first confirmed cases of the disease being passed from wild birds, scientists have revealed.
The victims, from a village in Azerbaijan, are believed to have caught the lethal H5N1 virus earlier this year when they plucked the feathers from dead birds to sell for pillows. Three other people were infected by the swans but survived.

Andreas Gilsdorf, an epidemiologist at the Robert Koch Institute in Berlin, who led the team that made the discovery, said: "As far as we know this is the first transmission from a wild bird, but it was a very intensive contact. We know that the virus is carried by swans and we know that you can catch the virus if you have close contact, so it doesn't change anything, it's just the first time it has been reported."

Some ornithologists and conservation experts have tried to play down the role that wild birds could play in spreading the disease. The UN's Convention on Migratory Species organised a "world migratory bird day" in April, which it said came "at a time when migratory birds are being unfairly portrayed solely as the harbingers of death and disease".

Almost all of the 220 other confirmed human cases of bird flu, including 130 deaths, have been linked to infected domestic poultry. A handful are believed to have caught the disease directly from infected humans.

The cluster of cases in the Salyan district of Azerbaijan, 90 miles south-east of Baku, was first reported in March. Six of the seven, all aged between 10 and 20, were from the same family. Relatives initially denied any contact - hunting and trading wild birds and their products there is illegal - but eventually admitted that the victims had plucked the feathers from dead swans among a huge number of the birds to have died in February.

Only one wild bird has been found with H5N1 in Britain in recent years, the dead swan floating off Fife in April. But surveillance of migratory birds returning this autumn is likely to be far greater and more targeted on specific species of ducks, geese and swans than it was this winter and spring. Checks are being carried out this summer on the black headed gull and lesser black back gull, which might have travelled from North Africa. Nigeria suffered a big outbreak in poultry this year.

Andy Evans, head of terrestrial research for the RSPB, said: "You have to get extremely close to an infected bird. Most cases are associated with poultry and preparing poultry for the pot. This is essentially the same process. If you have extremely close contact with an infected carcass, it is possibly to contract the disease, but it remains difficult."

The Health Protection Agency said: "Our advice remains the same, if you see a dead bird, don't pick it up." Defra said its scientific advisers regarded the risk of bird flu transmitting to humans from wild birds as small.

Separately, the World Health Organisation has confirmed fears that a cluster of cases in Indonesia was caused by the virus passing directly from person to person. Seven people died, but officials insisted there was no risk of wider transmission. Scientists found that the virus had mutated slightly, but not into a form that could be passed on easily.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,,1805813,00.html

I couldn't help but notice they mentioned "preparing poultry for the pot". The danger of preparing infected poultry is normally dowplayed by repeatedly telling us that fully cooked poultry is safe, even if infected.
 
Re: First cases found of avian flu caught from wild

prepdeb said:
I couldn't help but notice they mentioned "preparing poultry for the pot". The danger of preparing infected poultry is normally dowplayed by repeatedly telling us that fully cooked poultry is safe, even if infected.

Hmm it's possible infected poultry might be safe after cooking thoroughly. It doesn't say anything about preparing poultry before cooking.
Always learned never to eat an animal that's sick. Even a sheep that drowned in the ditch is considered unsafe to eat. Never mind poultry that comes down with this.
 
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Read any hunters' guide for handling birds.....they all say handle with care (& gloves).

Not eating them when sick implies we KNOW they're sick - how are we to identify the asymptomatic carriers? ;)

Treat ALL wild birds as potential carriers! (especially if you live in a flyway with "potential").

If I lived in a "disease-known" flyway, that same caution would be extended to any mammal that could possibly catch the disease.

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My dog caught a crow two weeks ago. Normally he may eat what he catches. Not this time, if any crow is this slow it's likely to be ill. So in the bin it went.
crows are realy fast too. This one sat on a wall chatting away with another one. Dog passed by and turned his head and grabbed it. Easy as that.
 
Re: First cases found of avian flu caught from wild

Delta said:
Hmm it's possible infected poultry might be safe after cooking thoroughly. It doesn't say anything about preparing poultry before cooking.
Always learned never to eat an animal that's sick. Even a sheep that drowned in the ditch is considered unsafe to eat. Never mind poultry that comes down with this.

There have been some discussion of poultry consumption in the scientific literature, e.g. Nature, 2006 440:850-851
Just a news blurb, really, with commentary from virologists, etc., but the last paragraph takes a good perspective:

"...Lanard maintains that to say bird flu is not a food issue is an ?overstatement?. She says that such advice shows that little has been learnt about risk communication since the British agriculture minister publicly fed his young daughter a hamburger at the height of the crisis
over bovine spongiform encephalitis. A 2005 European Commission poll showed that almost half of European citizens believe authorities favour economic interests over consumer health, she points out. ?These over-reassuring statements discount the future ? they are set up for public distrust,? she says. ?Although there is no direct evidence that transmission can occur through poorly cooked infected poultry, all animal evidence to date unfortunately suggests that this is possible.?"
 
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AlaskaDenise said:
Read any hunters' guide for handling birds.....they all say handle with care (& gloves).

Not eating them when sick implies we KNOW they're sick - how are we to identify the asymptomatic carriers? ;)

Treat ALL wild birds as potential carriers! (especially if you live in a flyway with "potential").

If I lived in a "disease-known" flyway, that same caution would be extended to any mammal that could possibly catch the disease.

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Although migratory birds have been shown to be a potential risk, there is a near-consensus from folks on the ground (including plenty of work published in the last year and even talked about at the FAO conference in Rome) that flyways are the least of the concerns; far more important to worry about the safeguards in place to keep contamination via poultry transport and smuggling contained. I would be more worried if I lived near a railroad, a major transportation hub/highway, or (certainly) near a poultry farm...
 
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Does anyone know the dates of onset of illness of these seven cases? Perhaps they all were plucking feathers at the same time; that would make sense. However, perhaps one or two weren't and got the flu from a family member. I think it is worth finding out, but I don't know where to look.
 
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rutsuyasun said:
Does anyone know the dates of onset of illness of these seven cases? Perhaps they all were plucking feathers at the same time; that would make sense. However, perhaps one or two weren't and got the flu from a family member. I think it is worth finding out, but I don't know where to look.

Check at Recombinomics.com - at http://www.recombinomics.com/News/03130603/H5N1_Azerbaijan_Confirmed_3.html

Apparently WHO didn't indicate disease onset dates, but there may be relevent info on the several recombinomics reports.

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canagica said:
Although migratory birds have been shown to be a potential risk, there is a near-consensus from folks on the ground (including plenty of work published in the last year and even talked about at the FAO conference in Rome) that flyways are the least of the concerns; far more important to worry about the safeguards in place to keep contamination via poultry transport and smuggling contained. I would be more worried if I lived near a railroad, a major transportation hub/highway, or (certainly) near a poultry farm...

After following the disease along flyways since last September, I'll continue to be concerned about the flyways.

The other concerns are valid, but to ignore flyways is to ignore history.

Not everyone within FAO is of the same mind......

from http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2006-06-15-bird-flu-alaska-cover_x.htm...

Juan Lubroth, a veterinary scientist with the United Nations Food and Agriculture Organization (FAO) in Rome......

Until last year, Lubroth says, scientists doubted that wild birds could carry or transmit lethal avian flu viruses such as H5N1. Then in the spring of 2005, 6,200 birds — bar-headed geese, cormorants, gulls and shelducks — were found dead at Qinghai Lake in west-central China. The HN51 viruses that killed them spread from the lake through swans and other migratory waterfowl across Asia and into Europe, according to a study by Hualan Chen of China's Harbin Veterinary Research Institute.

Chen called it "worrisome" that the viruses were in "a form associated with ... adaptation to humans."

At an FAO conference in Rome last month, researchers concluded that migrating birds are one way the virus could spread and called for further investigation.
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AlaskaDenise said:
After following the disease along flyways since last September, I'll continue to be concerned about the flyways.

The other concerns are valid, but to ignore flyways is to ignore history.

Not everyone within FAO is of the same mind......

from http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2006-06-15-bird-flu-alaska-cover_x.htm...


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Not to argue semantics, but nowhere in my post did I posit that flyways (or history) should be ignored :) ; rather I said that migratory birds have been one of the less-important pieces of this puzzle (and least controllable!). Again, given the real, known threat of poultry/poultry waste/wild bird transport across borders (both legal and illegal), I would be much more concerned if I lived near a poultry farm, a railroad, a major agricultural throughway, an important port.


From the FAO website:
" Migrating wild birds have played and will likely continue to play a role in transporting highly pathogenic avian influenza (HPAI) virus, or bird flu, over long distances...But the conference, attended by over 300 scientists from more than 100 countries, also recognized that the virus was mainly spread through poultry trade, both legal and illegal. (my emphasis)"
http://www.fao.org/newsroom/en/news/2006/1000312/index.html

Harkening back to the USA Today article that was quoted in your post, I also find it interesting that nowhere in Chen's materials from the Rome conference did he mention any of the reports from the Qinghai Lake outbreak that point to goose-rearing and fish-farming with poultry manure as a likely source of infection for the migratory birds using the lake...


goose-rearing:
"...the bar-headed goose, has been artificially reared near the lake. The breeding farms ? part of an experimental programme to both domesticate the birds and release them to repopulate wild stocks ? raise the possibility that farmed birds were the source of the outbreak...Juan Lubroth, a senior animal-health officer at the UN Food and Agricultural Organization (FAO), says he is now sceptical that migrants can carry the virus over long distances."
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v441/n7091/full/441263a.html

fish-farming:
"As early as 1998, scientists cautioned that human health hazards like an influenza pandemic could arise from the practice of bringing together fish farms with farm livestock. Some researchers say that bird flu may be spread by using chicken dung as feed in fish farms, a practice now routine in Asia...FAO have been active in the development of commercial aquaculture, particularly in Qinghai Lake, and is said to have helped establish an integrated livestock-fish farm near the lake in the early 1990s."
http://www.phayul.com/news/article.aspx?id=12635&t=0
 
Re: First cases found of avian flu caught from wild

The chat here is as if the deaths of these Azer is girls is the news. Now the thread drifted off on the "eating undercooked poultry" or "safe food handling" issues.

The real issue is that this is the first laboratory confirmation that WILD BIRDS can be blamed for H5N1 transmission. Prior to this, it was "suspected" that it could happen, but now it's confirmed!!!!!

This will put a different spin on comments from all those ornithology folks who want to blame poultry industry practices exclusively..,
 
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I am particulary concerned about the wild bird connection, as our hunters here are being told not to worry - just wash your hands. Our rural folks pluck plenty of birds and are being told they are safe. Across the ocean, in Russia, similar hunts were banned.

See slides 13 & 14 in this photo gallery from USA today. The birds are being sampled in people's homes with minimal protection.

We can be thankful that nobody here is sick (yet).

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Canagica:

Agreed - there are MANY routes. All it takes is one with the perfect combination to produce the pandemic strain, so as you say, we don't want to discount any.

BTW - welcome to the forum.

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